North Korea warns it will meet war with 'all-out war'

Source: CNN

Seoul, South Korea (CNN) -- North Korea reacted to a South Korean anti-submarine exercise early Thursday by saying it would meet "confrontation with confrontation" and war with "all-out war," according to North Korean state-run media.

"Now that the puppet group challenged the DPRK formally and blatantly, the DPRK will react to confrontation with confrontation, and to a war with an all-out war," according the KCNA news agency.

The news agency referred to South Korean leaders as a "group of traitors" and said they would experience "unheard of disastrous consequences" if they misunderstand North Korea's will.

The response comes amid high tensions on the Korean peninsula, after Seoul blamed Pyongyang for the sinking in March of a South Korean warship. An official South Korean report has accused the communist North of firing a torpedo at the ship, killing 46 sailors.

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Read more: http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/05/27/north.korea.south.korea.warning/index.html?hpt=T1

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Something about the mother of all battles?

Hubris is worse when coupled with actual slaughter of innocents.

war with "all-out war" it sounds like something a child would say.

So if a country goes to war with you then you will go "all out" as opposed to what?

"A half-assed war" or a war "only until the street lights come on"?

We'll answer war with SUPER WAR!

Although it does sound childish, the type of war they're calling for is not.

The whole deal is to talk bigger and badder. War, all-out or not, is actually a pretty minor proposition for Korea. The north has no interest in doing serious harm to the south, nor does the south have any inclination to do the same to the north. Both governments see themselves as the legitimate rulers of the whole peninsula, and killing a bunch of people and demolishing the place they each want to have in hand just doesn't make sense.

So what it is is basically two kids with big egos talking crap about each other to see who might back down. There may be some shoving, but war, "all-out" or otherwise, is unlikely.

We're more likely to see earnest unification talks in our lifetime, than a second Korean war.

Unless of course the US pushes it (I would have said "unless the US or China, but it looks more and more like China sees the North as an embarrassing relative that it tries to never talk to)

Limited war is what the U.S. generally gets involved in (Viet Nam, Korea, Iraq, etc). Total war is what the country that the U.S. invades gets involved in.

All-out war is also called total war (WWI, WWII). There was nothing childish about those wars.

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I hope China sees the light of reason.

South Korea is an American stooge so I suspect they would do half assed war as well. North Korea on the other hand can't afford to fuck around.

Even if it does seem easy these days to decide they're evil because they're American allies and North Korea isn't.

You know squat about South Korea.

I happened to be in a unit that worked some with a ROK unit in Vietnam. They were fearless and the NVA was terrified of them, however they still followed the same rules of engagement that the US did. They did not use "all out war" and attack the North Vietnamese. I think they would do the same thing if "War" were to break out in Korea. Also they do not have anywhere near the same size military as the North does. They would rely heavily upon the US to aid them as they did in the fifties.

I have this image stuck in my head


You will DIE! DIE DIE DIE!

Sorry to say, but they can barely keep their lights on at night, let a lone wage a war with the South. They may have a couple of "shock and awe" bombs, then their people would coming running for food.

technology has progressed significantly since then. We build an entire system designed to kill numerically superior forces that use Soviet command and control structures.

Nor did they own hundreds of billions in U.S. debt.

we have the capability to kill them all to a man woman and child. And in the event they use nuclear weapons we will.

China wants no part of a war with the US and vice versa. The debt is irrelevant. I assume we would tell them to suck it, and nullify it in the event a war between the US and CHina ensued.

Which makes the game a lot trickier than it was in 1950.

so no one is shooting nukes. No sane state actors at least.

Some wannabee Supreme Leader may see a war as his chance to become the Supreme Leader.

Play the vagas odds right and beef up your retirement portfolio.

I have serious doubts they feel the same way.

Lots of bark and posturing but when push comes to shove it turns tail and runs.

Lots of clucking & squawking & fluttering but then it will turn around to shit an atomic bomb in someone's mouth

... To call in Dr. Strangelove yet?

to contaminate our precious bodily fluids?

If so ...

... have a plan R just in case the "Dear Leader" is cut off.

They will starve to death by the hundreds of thousands.

And I don't think Kim Jung il is going to shuffle off into that good night like his daddy did, without trying to 'solve' the Korean stalemate once and for all.

By the way, welcome to DU, and I really like your kick-ass username!

http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/declassified/2010/05/26/u-s-intelligence-sees-scant-evidence-that-north-korea-is-preparing-for-war.html

Despite all the recent huffing and puffing from Pyongyang, U.S. officials say they’ve seen little physical evidence that North Korea might actually be preparing to go to war. Just hours after Seoul blamed the North for the March 26 sinking of the South Korean naval vessel Cheonan, North Korean leader Kim Jong-il publicly ordered his armed forces to get ready for military action, according to sources quoted in The Guardian. But two U.S. national security officials, asking for anonymity when discussing sensitive information, tell Declassified they’re not aware of any intelligence reporting on significant military mobilization or redeployments inside North Korea. The North Korean military is always on the move somewhere, one of the officials said, but at the moment whatever movements are being noted by Western intelligence agencies are regarded as not particularly threatening. A third U.S. foreign policy official, who also asked for anonymity, told Declassified that U.S. agencies are picking up “nothing of extreme concern” in what North Korean forces are currently up to.

Breaking: US Army moves to DEFCON 2
Thursday, 28 May 2009

Sources close to MiNa claim the US Army has moved their alert level to Defcon 2. This was initiated by the alarming situation in North Korea. The US Army has over 35,000 troops stationed in South Korea, well within reach of North Korean convential weapons.

North Korea has the largest artillery force (can be equipped with nuclear warheads) in the world, which adds more to the already tense situation.

Earlier today, N. Korea's leader Kim Jong issued threaths to the South Korean and US Navy ships for coming too close to North Korea's territorial waters. The South Koreans and the Americans, may be positioning themselves for a preemptive strike.

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http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/6893/2/

I highly doubt and hope this isn't actually accurate reporting, but it gave me chills nonetheless.

Funny how it showed up in Google News as recent though. Freaking hell.

The day that his friend walks away from a fight the little shit started, it's all over for him. I think China is starting to get embarrassed.

It may make them feel that they have to back their ally or lose face in the eyes of the world.

The North Koreans are out of control crazy and backing them is more embarrassing to China than leaving them to face the consequences of their own actions for once.

Which is inherently unpredictable. The U.S. has to give them diplomatic room to maneuver, I think.

"Don't fence me in".

Reference: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/asia_pacific/10181527.stm

It's an interesting statement reading between the lines. They're making all sorts of noises about waiting to be absolutely certain and otherwise not quite accepting the results of the investigation - which seems like they're backing North Korea, or at least waffling. At the same time, saying they "will not protect" whoever did it is a fairly firm statement, especially considering the only other countries China has any kind of defense agreement with are landlocked. They're more or less coming across as backing North Korea to most of the world in words, but that's coming across to me as hanging North Korea out to dry on this one.

NK is Grover Dill to China's Scut Farkus

and take it over. China will not tolerate any unsettling of the region, and they will not let little ol' NK be their undoing. China has the man power and the armaments to walk in and take over NK.

NK also can not afford all out war, I think they are posturing, nothing more.

The whole place looks like one huge toxic dump

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Pyongyang,+North+Korea&sll=39.611342,125.962458&sspn=0.015208,0.028582&ie=UTF8&cd=1&geocode=FTOUUwIdpdl-Bw&split=0&hq=&hnear=Pyongyang,+North+Korea&ll=39.006713,125.71445&spn=0.02251,0.038409&t=h&z=15