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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 05:13 AM
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2 Muslim men pulled from plane bound for North Carolina
Source: CNN.COM

(CNN) -- Two Muslim men were removed from a plane headed to North Carolina because passengers were uncomfortable, the Council on American-Islamic Relations said. The incident occurred Friday on a flight from Tennessee to North Carolina.

Masudur Rahman and Mohamed Zaghloul were wearing the traditional Muslim attire, CNN affiliate WCNC reported. They were headed to North Carolina for a conference on prejudice against Muslims, according to the affiliate.

Atlantic Southeast Airlines, which operated the flight, said the incident is under investigation.

"Atlantic Southeast Airlines flight 5452 from Memphis to Charlotte returned to the gate to allow for additional screening of a passenger and the passenger's companion," the statement said. "We take security and safety very seriously, and the event is currently under investigation."



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/05/07/muslims.kicked.off.plane/index.html?hpt=T2



"headed to North Carolina for a conference on prejudice against Muslims." Damn, you can't make this stuff up!
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 05:19 AM
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1. Well, even the way that article is written ... hoo boy
What exactly is "traditional Muslim attire". Would that be traditional attire from their country of origin? What is "traditional Christian" attire? What is "traditional Jewish" attire.

:crazy:
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SkyDaddy7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 06:11 AM
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8. AMERICA...FUCK YEAH!!!
This is exactly why I got so damn mad at Juan Williams...Terrorist do not wear "Islamic Attire"! NEVER!

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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 07:08 AM
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9. Exactly, which of the following is "traditional Muslim attire"








And while we're at it, how many of the 9/11 hijackers were wearing "traditional Muslim attire"?
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 09:58 AM
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34. The robes. Obviously, muslims wear suits, but that's not "traditional muslim" clothing.nt
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 10:28 AM
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39. The robes would be Arabic attire, not Muslim attire. n/t
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 10:22 PM
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48. They can be both, can't they? Muslim is a religion. OBL wore robes...
he was both Arabic and a muslim jihadist.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 05:05 AM
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50. Not all Muslims are Arabic and not all Arabs are Muslim.
Traditional Arabic attire, predates Islam. The robes and headscarves existed before Mohammed did.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 07:31 AM
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12. Was thinking the same. I guess they can't write "arab clothing".
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 07:54 AM
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18. There are traditional head coverings worn all the time by some Muslim men and
some Jewish men (not the same headcovering). And I assume a woman who covers her head in a certain way may well be Muslim, especially if some or most of her face is also covered. And, of course,not all Jews or Muslims follow those practices.

Apart from that, clothng that is not Western looking seems to be more a sign of national original or personal preference than of religion.
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pangaia Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 07:57 AM
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20. Traditional attire
They could have been wearing dishdashers, perhaps kumas..That would scare the shit out of ignorant right-wing Southerner bigots.. or northern bigots, or mid-west bigots. :>)). I bought a kuma when I was in Oman in february.. love to wear it.
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flpab Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 07:59 AM
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21. I see many Arabs fly daily
My airport is close to a college that has many Arab students. They always present you their passport and they are in tradition Arab clothing but they fly like they are straight out of a hip hop video. It always cracks me up. They totally want to blend in while here. They must whip the Arab clothes out of their carry on as soon as they hit the ground to meet Mom and Dad. I have only seen one women in a burka and she did create a stir but we know TSA did the proper screening of her in a private room and made her show her face to a female so we felt ok about her flying. she did get many looks and people do freak out but it is her right to wear it. When we check people in and we get a bad vibe we will notify the leos and tsa. If they are from a certain country they get the total selectee process. That all goes back to the axis of evil countries under Bush.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 05:22 AM
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2. Paranoia rules.
.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 05:31 AM
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4. Having just had the increasing Incidence of claustrophobia only recently...
I in all honesty don't know if I would freak out or not if I was on that plane.

I used to fly just fine until one really uncomfortable ride in the middle seat of a commuter plane. Ever since then it's all a puzzle to me how I will react. Logic can tell you everything is fine but the subconscious is a really odd thing.

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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 07:32 AM
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13. Yah I get a lot of anxiety too.
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trud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 11:11 AM
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42. If they didn't pack us in like sardines
Edited on Sat May-07-11 11:12 AM by trud
people would be a lot less stressed. Not that that has anything to do with the bigots, but cattle on their way to the slaughterhouse probably travel with the same degree of comfort as airline coach travelers.

I can remember what it was like to fly 50 years ago. Night and day different.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 08:26 AM
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23. And willful ignorance abounds... n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 05:22 AM
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3. K&R
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 05:51 AM
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5. The airlines should have removed the "uncomfortable"
passangers and offered to book them on a later flight. Looks like we've gone from driving while black to flying while Muslim.
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 06:01 AM
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6. yes they were the ones who should have been removed
irony where the 2 men were headed
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flpab Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 08:03 AM
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22. ditto
TSA gets a very bad rap and we know that 50% of it is correct but they do check these people out. The axis of evil countries still get the extra screening and if they are in traditional garb they get the bulk item pat down. People over react and that is crazy.
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Keith Bee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 08:41 AM
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25. Oh, don't worry.....
...we still have DWB
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 08:47 AM
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28. Absolutely!
If they are the ones who are uncomfortable, put them on another flight. Why make others accommodate them.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 09:49 AM
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32. I like that! nt
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trud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 06:03 AM
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7. here's a new rule
If people are pulled off a plane because the other passengers are "uncomfortable" that they appear Muslim, the flight is canceled altogether. Let everybody be inconvenienced, the bigots as well.
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harmonicon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 07:11 AM
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10. what would be better....
would be if the people who complained had to rent a car and personally chauffeur those they were uncomfortable with anywhere they wanted to go.
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dddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 07:22 AM
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11. I wonder
Edited on Sat May-07-11 07:54 AM by dddem
What would have happened if someone (I would like to imagine that I would have the nerve)complained about being uncomfortable flying in a plane full of frightened bigots. That would have been an interesting scenario. I wonder if the people who complain about being afraid to fly with narrow minded self-centered clods would be shown the same respect and consideration as said clods. Sometimes I hate people.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 07:42 AM
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15.  I long for the demise of the "balls" (brave, strong), "pussy" (cowardly, weak) metaphors.
Edited on Sat May-07-11 07:46 AM by No Elephants
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dddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 07:56 AM
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19. all fixed
It's a word I seldom use (because first off all I don't have any, and secondly, if I did, I wouldn't announce it), but I was pretty angry when i made that post, and I felt it carried more emphasis. Evidently, too much, because it blurred the message!
:)
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 09:50 AM
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33. I think it's getting worse.
Such attitudes go hand-in-hand with militarism and dominance.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 10:12 AM
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37. I believe the second one derives from a feline - "scaredy cat" - reference
Edited on Sat May-07-11 10:13 AM by jberryhill
And not a genital reference.
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trud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 11:14 AM
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43. knowing cats, I doubt it. n/t
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 01:25 PM
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44. The taunt "scaredy cat" has existed for a long time, independent of your knowledge of cats /nt
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trud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. nice try avoiding the antifem smear.
We all know what the derogatory refers to.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 06:43 PM
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46. Some people...
Edited on Sat May-07-11 06:45 PM by jberryhill
First off, you will notice that I did not use the term in question, as it is a term I do not use.

I do, however, dispute your etymology of the term, and I sincerely believe it is derived from "scaredy cat".

And, quite frankly, if you cannot handle a difference of opinion on the etymology of a term and have to impugn the character of those with whom you disagree, then you frankly have other personality issues.

Perhaps you have some insight into the origin of this term to offer, or perhaps you are just one of those people who derives self worth by accusing others of odious things.
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digitaln3rd Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 07:40 AM
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14. I predict
That Southeast Airlines is going to be paying a lot of money in discrimination fees in the near future.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 07:45 AM
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16. as well they should. nt
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 07:49 AM
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17. The airline should have found a conference room and let the Muslim
gentlemen give their talk to the passengers. Now there would have been an education worth the learning.
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oldbanjo Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 08:29 AM
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24. The two Muslims should have
flown to North Carolina by themselves and let everyone else wait for the next plane. The layover in an Airport would cost them money for food and Lodging and maybe teach them a lesson.
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 08:41 AM
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26. Why? If I were on that plane and got inconvenienced I would be incensed.
Just remove the bigots (complainers) and get on with it. Nobody else should be removed.
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oldbanjo Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 09:09 AM
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29. CNN said that the Pilot was uncomfortable
not the passengers.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 09:59 AM
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36. CNN said the pilot wouldn't fly w/them because the passengers were uncomfortable.
To be accurate about it.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 09:29 AM
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30. Right, because we all know that the 9/11 terrorists were wearing Muslim attire.
The stupidity and prejudice of people are astounding.
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ronnie624 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 09:41 AM
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31. While officials tried to get the men back on the plane,
"the pilot absolutely refused and ultimately took off," Hooper said.
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western mass Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 10:20 AM
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38. I want to see that F*ing pilot FIRED
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 09:59 AM
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35. I take it the consensus on this forum is that people don't have a right to "feel comfortable"
And I agree.
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 10:32 AM
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40. It Sounds Like The Person In The Cockpit Has The Problem
And the pilot is trying to scapegoat his passengers. Mighty big of him. I hope he gets fired.
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 06:35 AM
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51. It does seem to suggest something alarming about the pilot.
If the pilot really did instigate the toss-off, then it suggests he may be a right-wing authoritarian who is motivated by fear and who thinks by a system of beliefs rather than by using rational thought.

Probably not the very best kind of pilot in a crisis. But on the other hand, there seem to be lots of them flying and they do okay. So take this observation with a high degree of skepticism.

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 10:44 AM
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41. The land of the ignorant
Ignorance feeding faux fear.

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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 07:34 PM
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47. Pretty Stupid

Anybody who was gonna do anything bad would try to blend in.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 10:38 PM
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49. Yes, we should always remove people that make us uncomfortable.
Oh, you just meant from the plane. :sarcasm:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 07:49 AM
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52. Hasn't this shit gotten old, almost 10 years later?
Every six weeks, the same story in the news...When are people going to stop pulling "scary, strange-looking" ticketholders off flights?
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