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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:46 AM Original message |
Activist who supports soldier in WikiLeaks case sues U.S. over seizure of laptop |
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Newsjock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
1. The president can choose to end this |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 05:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. This is my line in the sand as far as Obama is concerned.... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 05:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. i think he should get involved in this case right after reading Orly Taitz's |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:01 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Uh, sounds like the loss of a laptop. (NT) |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:28 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. He got it back. nt |
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trud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:24 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. the word privacy means nothing to you? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Privacy? If you go to an international border, your right is |
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go west young man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 07:38 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. So everyone who travels to another country should never travel |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:04 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Um, Yes. It's sort of like sex toys. If you don't want Special Branch looking at your dildoes, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
72. You're talking about a national security state -- |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #72 |
100. No, I'm talking about normal, everyday Customs-- |
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rexcat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
68. It is not an issue if the hard drive is encrypted! |
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Heywood J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. That's a false sense of security. In the computing world, |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 12:41 AM Response to Reply #68 |
95. IIRC it's an offense to withold your encryption key |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:12 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. And that kind of thinking is as anti-freedom, anti-American as any I've heard. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:39 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Um, "Border Search Exception" doctrine was an act of the First Congress.** Way back in 1789. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:47 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. Unfortunately the poster is correct |
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Riftaxe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 02:05 AM Response to Reply #30 |
106. And once you swear oath of service, you forego |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. Does this oath of service include a provision that you will cover up your government's war crimes? |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #22 |
49. welcome to NU-DU |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 06:25 PM Response to Reply #49 |
102. Where we have no care for what the laws actually are or how they came about |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #22 |
52. yep, but no one cares. USA! USA! USA! nt |
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Nihil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #14 |
39. Works both ways though ... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
73. These times include body cavity searches -- and who knows where we're going with that -- !! |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #73 |
101. Well, Body cavity searches are legally considered 'non-routine' |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
34. How about violation of the 4th Amendment? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:57 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Border Search Doctrine has been the law since 1789. It predates and is an exception to the 4th. |
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Riftaxe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 02:08 AM Response to Reply #34 |
107. Military personnel have limited 4th amendmant rights |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
63. [self-delete] |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #6 |
51. this and a few other things.. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 05:33 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Hey, let spies run free, why not! |
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trud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. It is a simple issue, |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:42 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Search at the border is constitutional Look it up. nt |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #7 |
67. So this man was convicted of spying before his laptop was taken? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:09 PM Response to Reply #67 |
88. Convictions aren't required to gather evidence. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #88 |
97. Fools behind keyboards who accuse Manning's supporters as being "spies" is all that's needed, though |
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Riftaxe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 02:11 AM Response to Reply #67 |
108. He did it in theatre, while all communications |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
70. Are you accusing House or Wikileaks of being spies? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #70 |
89. There's reason to suspect they're trafficking in secrets, no? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. None whatsoever. Publication is not spying. |
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Riftaxe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 02:14 AM Response to Reply #92 |
109. So if publicize your name, address, CC numbers and SS |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Yet another case of not distinguishing between personal privacy and official secrecy. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 12:48 AM Response to Reply #111 |
114. Actually, video of David House and Bradley Manning together was just released-- |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. So? You could have shot video of Ellsberg meeting with NY Times reporters... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
74. Again -- it is American government doing the spying and wiretapping, bugging .... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
28. Border Search Doctrine has been the law of the land since 1789. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
75. Another reason why the rw Drug War should be called off -- |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
84. No he can't. His bosses won't let him. |
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Riftaxe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-16-11 02:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
105. There is no political advantage for doing that |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:51 AM Response to Original message |
2. self delete. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
3. Good, they need to be reigned in. They had no reason to |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 07:16 AM Response to Reply #3 |
17. Customs doesn't need a reason to perform searches. |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
4. Repeal the emergency laws. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 01:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Good one. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:58 AM Response to Reply #4 |
16. Border search exception in the US is in its 3rd century. |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
25. The constitutional issue is not as simple as you suggest. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:51 AM Response to Reply #25 |
33. There is no First Amendment exception to Border Search Doctrine. You might want to read the |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #33 |
53. I recognize that the legal precedents on border searches |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. I think if you read the 9th's decision, they answer your question about |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. yes, but not potential members of legitimate political organizations. |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. House is not a potential anything, other than friend of Manning. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. And -- just coincidentally -- a "friend" of Bradley Manning's was selected at random ... hmmm.... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 09:07 PM Response to Reply #66 |
113. Actually, no---House is a material witness in Bradley Manning's case and a potential suspect in the |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
64. Thank you! |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
31. Border search is not under the emergency laws.............nt |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Combining Customs and Immigration with Law Enforcement IS part of emergency laws. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. The First Congress, in 1789, made Customs a law enforcement agency. |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. In 2003 Customs was moved from the Department of the Treasury. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Right, my post acknowledged that. They've always been a LEA, however. |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Prior to 2003 their mission was revenue. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Right. Before that, drug mules, illegal aliens, and child pornographers |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #50 |
78. All MODERN issues -- the Drug War, exploitation of labor, -- and with rise of the right ... |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Quite true, but it has nothing to do with the authority and scope of border insepections of computer |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:25 AM Response to Original message |
11. Glen Greenwald recently reported that subpeonas from the VA grand jury went out |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
18. Remove the hard drive / SSD |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:06 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. You'd think an MIT researcher would know this... |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
65. You would think so, wouldn't you? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #65 |
91. Or, if he was an attention seeker.... |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. True, true, but that never occurred to me... |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:50 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. I'm pretty sure Rosa Parks knew the rules of the bus. |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-14-11 02:37 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Agreed n/t |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:24 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. or make sure your drive is encrypted |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:51 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. You can be requried to give up the passcode |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. damn what was that passcode again? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Been tried...many judges think jail time for contempt improves the memory |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
80. Guess we need some lessons in encrypting hard drives, computers ... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
79. How do you remove the hard drive from a laptop? Where is it? |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. Every laptop is different, you have to check the manual |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Wow -- interesting -- thanks!! |
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pmorlan1 (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
23. Incredible |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:41 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Dude. It's been the law of the land since 1789. "Border Search Doctrine." Look it up. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:51 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. +1 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #27 |
54. More like an example of how there is no governmental abuse |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Citing the law from 1789, isn't a rationalization. It's called a fact. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Waving a law around like a bloody shirt is not an argument. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #54 |
81. +1000% --- exactly -- !! |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
29. I see lots of people in this thread that never went through U.S. Customs. |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. I used to "waltz on through" all of the time, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #29 |
55. David House was targeted because of his association with |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
69. I see a lot of people on this thread who are pretending that US Customs made the decision... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
82. Question is, did they RANDOMLY come upon this "friend" of Bradley Manning ... |
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mountainlion55 (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
44. DHS |
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greiner3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
48. Damn it;; |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
56. Here's an ACLU link to some information on the case |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #56 |
83. Thanks -- Imagine ACLU knows border/Customs laws ... |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #83 |
103. The ACLU gets it wrong all the time. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
59. Kicked and recommended. |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
62. K&R'd. |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
71. Stop the FBI raids!! k&r |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-13-11 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
90. K & R! |
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Mr. Jefferson (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
98. Aren't computers typically seized in criminal investigations? |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Not when the person whose computer is seized isn't under criminal investigation to begin with n/t |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-15-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. Cause they always tell everyone when they are under criminal investigation right? |
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bobthedrummer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-21-11 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
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