Libya: White House dashes rebel hopes of recognition

dipsydoodle

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Sat May-14-11 03:20 AM
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Libya: White House dashes rebel hopes of recognition

Source: BBC News

The US has stopped short of recognising Libya's National Transitional Council as the country's legitimate government.

The statement comes after the first visit to the White House by a senior member of the rebel council, which is pushing for international support.

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Mahmoud Jibril, deputy leader of the Benghazi-based National Transitional Council (NTC), met officials at the White House on Friday, including National Security Adviser Tom Donilon.

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The US and Britain have not recognised the NTC as the true government of Libya - in contrast to France, Italy and Qatar.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13398092

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joshcryer

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Sat May-14-11 03:55 AM
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1. k&r

http://www.brookings.edu/events/2011/0512_libya_opposition.aspx">The Future of Libya: A View from the Opposition - video
As NATO allies continue their air campaign over Libya, intense fighting between Col. Muammar Qaddafi�s forces and the Libyan opposition continues unabated. While Tunisia and Egypt experienced relatively peaceful pro-democracy uprisings and transitions, the fighting between the Libyan opposition and the Qaddafi regime has been drawn out, resulting in significant casualties on both sides. According to some reports, the U.S. and its allies are now in discussions to offer greater support to the Libyan opposition forces. Further, the Libyan opposition continues to press the U.S. and the international community for full diplomatic recognition of the Council as the legitimate representative of Libyan people, access to frozen Libyan assets and increased humanitarian and military support.

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druidity33

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Sat May-14-11 07:42 AM
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2. that's weird... check out TPM...

they say, (quoted from WH press release):

"National Security Advisor Tom Donilon met this afternoon with Dr. Mahmoud Gibril, the President of the Libyan Transitional National Council's Executive Bureau. Mr. Donilon hosted Dr. Gibril and his delegation at the White House in order to continue the close consultations between the Obama Administration and the leadership of the Transitional National Council (TNC) about the situation in Libya. During the meeting, Mr. Donilon stated that the United States views the TNC as a legitimate and credible interlocutor of the Libyan people. In contrast, Mr. Donilon stressed that Qadhafi has lost his legitimacy to rule and reiterated President Obama's call for Qadhafi to leave immediately."

How is that not recognizing the legitimacy of the TNC?

:shrug:

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EFerrari

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Sat May-14-11 07:58 AM
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3. It's the difference between being a legitimate rep of the people

and being the legitimate rep of the people. The latter probably would come with access to some frozen funds.

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druidity33

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Sat May-14-11 08:13 AM
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4. huh?

You're 2 differences are the same.

:shrug:

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Igel

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Sat May-14-11 09:52 AM
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5. No, they're not.

Edited on Sat May-14-11 09:52 AM by Igel

The definite article in English has a range of meanings, but it's pretty much always meaningful.

Try this one on for size:

"Barack Obama is a current United States president."

"Barack Obama is the current United States president."

If the differences are "the same" then the two sentences mean the same thing. Do they?

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druidity33

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Sat May-14-11 12:08 PM
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6. Technically No, but logistically Yes...

the point is Washington could have refused to speak with him ( one representative of the TNC cannot be "the" legitimate rep because he's only PART of the Council), or said they don't recognize his position. They did neither. They specifically referred to him as legitimate. I think maybe you're reading into semantics too deeply.

:shrug:

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PurityOfEssence

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Sat May-14-11 09:11 PM
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7. That really would be the Rubicon: taking money

The world is largely tolerating us and our smarmy friends at the moment for this imperial adventure and our various violations of national sovereignty, but when we start taking money, people will howl.

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