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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 10:28 PM
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Missing Photographer in Libya is Presumed Dead
Source: The New York Times

The family of Anton Hammerl, a South African photojournalist who has been missing in Libya since early last month, said late Thursday that they think he died after being shot on April 5 in the desert.

Two journalists who were released by the Libyan government on Wednesday told Mr. Hammerl’s wife that they had been with him when he apparently was shot in the stomach, a family friend, Bronwyn Friedlander, said in a telephone interview. Ms. Friedlander was with Mr. Hammerl’s wife, Penny Sukhraj, and the couple’s children at their home in London.

Ms. Sukhraj heard a first-hand account of her husband’s shooting in a phone call from Clare Morgana Gillis and James Foley, who were among four journalists held by the government of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi until Wednesday. When Mr. Hammerl was not released with them, his family began to fear the worst.

South African officials called Ms. Sukhraj first on Thursday, then the colleagues called to share their account, Ms. Friedlander said.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/20/world/africa/20journalist.html
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DeadEyeDyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 10:34 PM
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1. Sad, so very sad n/t
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-19-11 11:11 PM
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2. The war which didn't have to happen continues. n/t
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UnseenUndergrad Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 12:33 AM
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3. By "didn't have to happen"...
do you mean that Gadaffi could have taken his pill ands reacted to the protests in a rational manner, or that after Benghazi had been burned to the ground, there would have been no one left to oppose him?

Just curious.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 12:35 AM
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4. Why should US keep spending ourselves broke playing GLOBOCOP?
Someplace, somewhere, WE have to stop pursuing wars. WE CAN'T AFFORD WARS> WE are borrowing trillions for wars.
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UnseenUndergrad Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 01:33 AM
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7. Correction.
Edited on Fri May-20-11 01:35 AM by UnseenUndergrad
It's the French and the Italians (and the British to an extent) playing Eurocop due to the fact that all hell's broken loose on Europe's southern border. The US just provided the rebels (tenative) recognition and some seaborne and airborne assistance.

I should have known that I came off as too transparent.

From here in Canada, this seems to be more a case of the Europeans stomping out a brushfire on their back-40 with the US late to the party than the full-on, trumpeted clusterfark that was Iraq.

Also, I do not believe that you answered my question.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 12:36 AM
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5. Why do you think Bush was able to negotiate with Gaddafi
but Obama cannot?

Just curious.
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UnseenUndergrad Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 01:28 AM
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6. Hmmm...
Because Bush and his admin were amoral spluges of the highest order and, at that time, Gadaffi wasn't facing a fullblown rebellion that would provide any of the neocon hawks with an excuse to take out an old foe.

Plus, the French and the (especially) Italians would have been pissed if we tried to infringe upon their North African petroleum supplies.
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trud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 05:45 AM
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8. I mean
Edited on Fri May-20-11 05:48 AM by trud
it's none of our business intervening in a civil war and spending hundreds of millions just because Hillary gets off on Israel. Particularly when the side we're supporting is stuffed with Islamic fundamentalists.

By the way, there's a nice lesson here for countries with nuclear weapons - never give them up, or you're a sitting duck for a Western attack.

Interesting that Italy is so much in the forefront of this, after trashing Libya for decades as part of its colonial empire. Italy did far more damage to Libyans than Qaddafi has ever thought of.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 06:19 AM
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9. What does the intervention in Libya have to do with Hillary and Israel?
I am not following the connection you are making there.
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trud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 09:32 AM
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10. who do you think drove the US attacking Libya?
Just like who do you think drove starting the Iraq war? Israel's friends in the US government. Hillary is more right than the Likud.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-20-11 09:46 AM
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11. The US attacked Libya because of Israel's friends in the US government?
Where did you hear that?
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