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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 04:51 PM Original message |
Spain's Ruling Socialists Crushed in Polls |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. Wonder if they'll try to void the results since the protestors could be seen as "messing... |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. Let me bet, their "Socialist Party" is a Third Way Operation now.....and then they wonder why people |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Just curious. What facts are your "bet" based on? |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. A lot of parties formerly on the left have lost by switching to a Third Way ideology. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. The horrible austerity measures they've cursed the public with |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. Yes, they have sold out entirely to neoliberalism. |
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Mosaic (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. And always remember |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
32. +1 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:25 AM Response to Reply #24 |
37. I must have missed the disguise part. Neoliberalism looks exactly like conservatism to me. |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
27. Economically, they have been fairly Third Way |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 08:57 AM Response to Reply #27 |
44. You say, "Basically, they got screwed by the banks." |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. Why not back up this idea rather than just speculate? |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Apparently my speculation is correct. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 05:57 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. It isn't speculation. |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 08:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
41. So voters who wanted a more liberal government voted for |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 08:59 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. No. Voters who were sick of being betrayed switched betrayers... |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
3. Recommend |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
4. Hope things get better there. The Socialists have really f*cked up Spain's economy. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. The Socialists became a bunch of deregulators and free marketeers in the New Labour and DLC mold. |
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Modern_Matthew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. That explains it. Thank you. nt |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Here's a report on it: |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. In terms of financial deregulation, it isn't. Look at their banking system for a moment. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. The Spanish "socialists" = neoliberals.. |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. The 'real' left, Izquierda Unida and allies (which usually include Greens) |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 09:01 AM Response to Reply #23 |
46. "Because the electoral system disproportionately favors the largets parties" |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
28. They've fucked up by doing what the financial system wanted on economics |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:32 AM Response to Reply #4 |
38. You mean Third Way philosophy really f*cked up Spain's economy. See Reply 36. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
7. Is Aznar coming back? Blech. nt |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. His disciples, yes. |
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
8. So are their "conservatives" like our conservaturds/T.HATERbaggers? |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Largely, yes. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:44 AM Response to Reply #11 |
40. If the Socialists had really gone Third Way, maybe the shift is not really all that huge. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
12. Correct me if I am wrong on this |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Spain is different. n/t |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. As Ghost Dog says, Spain is different - they have the inheritance of Franco |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Yes. The PP ranges from slightly right of center |
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RandySF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. Franco's ghost still haunts the Spanish Right. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. Spain's right wing are literally fascists |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
20. Merkel's getting clocked in German local elections, meanwhile.... |
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nradisic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
29. Partido Popular.... |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
51. Pictures of American "nationalists" for you. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
33. Look how well voting the fringe right into power has worked for us. |
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Yo_Mama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
34. Over 21% unemployment |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-22-11 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
35. Get ready to see "socialism screwed Spain" in Republican campaign ads |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
39. A perfect examply of why we need to purge our DLCers from the Democratic Party. (nt) |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 08:21 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. How? Look around D.C. The DLCers now ARE the Democratic Party. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. How? Make them afraid to do anything neo-liberal. Some will stop voting neo-liberal the others will |
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iwishiwas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
43. Are Spain's conservatives as bad to the middle class as ours are? |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Yes. And they lie about it just as well. (nt) |
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iwishiwas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Then Spain has a lot of idiots who elected them (like us in the US of A)!! |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-23-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #49 |
50. There are no shortage of dupes anywhere in the world. (nt) |
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