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Lars77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 07:13 AM
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Laser puts record data rate through fibre
Source: BBC

Researchers have set a new record for the rate of data transfer using a single laser: 26 terabits per second.

At those speeds, the entire Library of Congress collections could be sent down an optical fibre in 10 seconds.

The trick is to use what is known as a "fast Fourier transform" to unpick more than 300 separate colours of light in a laser beam, each encoded with its own string of information.

The technique is described in the journal Nature Photonics.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13469924
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 07:20 AM
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1. Very cool. If we hadn't allowed telcoms and cable companies to nearly monopolize hosting
maybe we'd see some of that technology put into production.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 07:39 AM
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2. Yup. We won't be seeing this technology here. They have no incentive to increase bandwidth.
Edited on Mon May-23-11 07:39 AM by w4rma
In fact, they have an incentive to *reduce* bandwidth and trick people into going over their arbitrary limits.
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:55 AM
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10. I don't know about that.
Edited on Mon May-23-11 09:56 AM by Seedersandleechers
Where I live in Kansas City, Mo., we are going to be the first city to test out the new google network at 100 times the speed. I'm guessing it is going to be wireless since it is in conjunction with Kansas City Power and Light.


http://www.kansascity.com/2011/05/16/2880573_kcmo-to-get-superfast-google-hook.html?storylink=omni_popular
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 11:16 AM
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15. and you get 2nd place
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Seedersandleechers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 12:26 PM
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21. Better than
no place.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 11:16 AM
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14. You just made the most ignorant comment I've seen on DU for a while
Or at least since visiting the dungeon :P

Go tell that to the folks at Ciena networks...let me know when they stop laughing :rofl:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 01:52 PM
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23. of course there are a few small hosts left, but for the most part it's all cinched up
Edited on Mon May-23-11 01:58 PM by ixion
so you can take your snark and stuff it in a sock.


To try claim that AT&T, Verizon, Time Warner, Comcast and Cox do not in fact have the vast amount of marketshare is what is ignorant, my friend.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:56 PM
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26. you made a comment, that since all the hosting services is in the hands of a few
Edited on Mon May-23-11 02:58 PM by snooper2
that it has stiffled them in some way and they don't invest or care about new technologies...

I told you to call Ciena so you could hear them laugh. (You can look them up, they have a website :) )
Actually, the point you were trying to make makes no sense at all...

Here's a list of the top hosting companies for your edumacation...

1 WILDWESTDOMAINS.COM 39.3437 % 30,045,292
2 ENOM.COM 4.2596 % 3,252,864
3 NETWORKSOLUTIONS.COM 3.8895 % 2,970,271
4 ONEANDONE.COM 3.5876 % 2,739,730
5 DSREDIRECTION.COM 2.745 % 2,096,239
6 YAHOO.COM 2.466 % 1,883,219
7 HOSTGATOR.COM 2.101 % 1,604,435
8 REGISTER.COM 1.8376 % 1,403,320
9 BLUEHOST.COM 1.7671 % 1,349,473
10 DREAMHOST.COM 1.4968 % 1,143,034
11 CASHPARKING.COM 1.4675 % 1,120,705
12 WEBSITEWELCOME.COM 1.271 % 970,601
13 BUYDOMAINS.COM 1.2175 % 929,729
14 HOSTMONSTER.COM 0.9698 % 740,568
15 REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM 0.7468 % 570,310
16 PARKED.COM 0.5875 % 448,662
17 MEDIATEMPLE.NET 0.5589 % 426,792
18 RACKSPACE.COM 0.5425 % 414,314
19 SMARTNAME.COM 0.5374 % 410,377
20 DOTSTER.COM 0.5006 % 382,262
21 ATT-WEBHOSTING.COM 0.4661 % 355,945
22 FASTPARK.NET 0.4196 % 320,460
23 DIRECTNIC.COM 0.4167 % 318,254
24 IXWEBHOSTING.COM 0.4161 % 317,783
25 IPOWERWEB.COM 0.4136 % 315,883

http://charting.webhosting.info/scripts/total_hcs.php?xd=30045292~^3252864~^2970271~^2739730~^2096239~^1883219~^1604435~^1403320~^1349473~^1143034~^1120705~^970601~^929729~^740568~^570310&yd=WILDWESTDOMAINS.COM~^ENOM.COM~^NETWORKSOLUTIONS.COM~^ONEANDONE.COM~^DSREDIRECTION.COM~^YAHOO.COM~^HOSTGATOR.COM~^REGISTER.COM~^BLUEHOST.COM~^DREAMHOST.COM~^CASHPARKING.COM~^WEBSITEWELCOME.COM~^BUYDOMAINS.COM~^HOSTMONSTER.COM~^REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 03:14 PM
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27. LOL... those are web hosting services, not ISPs
:rofl:
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 03:30 PM
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28. you said hosting companies..if you were in telecom you would know
that those are hosting companies....

So now you change to ISP...are we talking strictly residential, business, or both?


You call Ciena networks yet? I actually happened to be on the phone with one of my Verizon counterparts earlier and forwarded him this link. He said thanks for the laugh as well...

They never look at new technologies and would never be interested in getting more bandwidth out of one of their fiber pairs :rofl: (Since they have a "monopoly" with all these "hosting" services- really brings in the money I promise)

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 03:57 PM
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29. keep up the propaganda
Edited on Mon May-23-11 04:00 PM by ixion
Big Business thanks you for your support. :eyes:

You're just another idiot propping up the status quo.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 04:22 PM
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30. you have no idea what you are talking about
and got called on it..

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 04:41 PM
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31. No, sir, I know exactly what I'm talking about.
I simply don't have the time to deal with worthless punks like you.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 04:46 PM
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32. Sure you do...that's why you can't quantify this statement
If we hadn't allowed telcoms and cable companies to nearly monopolize hosting
maybe we'd see some of that technology put into production.


:rofl:

Call Ciena yet? Faster they get that code and optics GA faster it can be put to use.. (When I say GA I'm not talking about Georgia FYI) Might want to call Ericsson as well. I'd give up on Nortel lol
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 05:58 PM
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33. and this is what makes you a punk:
rather than ask for a clarification, which I would have gladly given, you launch into a snark party at my expense.

Service provider was what I was referring to, as I made perfectly clear in an earlier post. But like a true punk, you latch on to one word and drag it around in the mud.

People like you weren't around much prior to Obama getting elected, or if you were you were more polite. Now, you make this board a trite and tiresome place. Good day.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:28 AM
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35. Doesn't matter if you said service provider, ISP, teH Googles...
your statement is still incorrect, misleading, and wrong.

And I take it you haven't called Ciena yet?

As to calling me "son" and "punk", I see ixion was born in April of 2004. The great Snooper2 came into this World in 2002. So, based on our long-form birth certificate, I've got a couple years on ya....Son :rofl:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:52 AM
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37. actually, I was born in the sixties
shows what you know. :dunce:
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:55 PM
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41. You have to twist it to make it so
He was clearly referring to bandwidth providers not hosting companies. It would make no sense to speak of hosting companies in this context.

His terminology may be wrong but his point is correct. I don't know what game you are trying to play here but the fact remains his over all point that AT&T comcast etc are not trying to bring you better service as much as they are trying to empty your pocket is exactly correct.
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JJW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 08:07 AM
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3. Comcast $ 60 a month
At that bandwidth most people wouldn't use a second of time, their entire life.
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:38 AM
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8. As data gets more complex, more bandwidth will be needed.
The ability of computers to hold data practically doubles every year, and grows at an exponential rate.

With a slower internet, everything falls behind.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 08:21 AM
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4. This will probably help us make more deadly Predator strikes...
Oh happy day!
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 08:52 AM
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5. They transmitted the entire "Debbie Does Dallas" movie in less than a second!
Just THINK what this will do for the porn industry!

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:15 AM
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6. That's amazing speed.
Especially if they can use existing cable...
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:39 AM
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9. Unfortunately, you need a fiber optic cable to transmit this data.
It can't be done through copper cables, which is what most of the country has now. Fiber Optic cables are the future, yet our country refuses to invest in them because they cost too much money.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 10:00 AM
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11. I get that it uses Fiber.
But there's a lot of fiber out there. I don't think these speeds are meant for desktops. Probably for backbone.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 11:22 AM
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16. I've got fiber to the side of my house
:)

And I guess you are not familar with ANY of the federal grants available for telecomunications

http://www.federalgrantswire.com/national-telecommunications-and-information-administration-department-of-commerce-federal-grants.html

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:57 PM
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42. You are one of a small minority of people that do
Pretending fiber to the house is widespread is ridiculous.

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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 09:04 AM
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38. our country has invested too much money in our military
and not enough in our own infrastructure. What's the purpose of a government that doesn't take care of its own but goes around the worth via military to blow shit up. Dumb!!!
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:35 AM
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7. Too bad we're spending money on FUCKING BOMBS!
It would be kind of nice to not watch our infrastructure fall apart before our very eyes, while the Repukes claim any attempt to rebuild it is socialism.

We're going to be towards the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to internet very soon, while the rest of the world just blows by us.
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groundloop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 10:03 AM
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12. We're already near the bottom in terms of internet capability and quality

Europeans I have contact with laugh at how much we pay for internet and cell phone service, at the slow speed, and at the crappy quality. We've already become a 2nd tier nation and the sad thing is that most of us don't even realize it.

And you're exactly right, if we could quit waging war and put that money toward our infrastructure we could make huge strides.

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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 11:09 AM
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13. Freedom bombs?



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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 11:27 AM
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17. A few questions-
I am not willing to part with $32.00 US to read the article in Nature Photonics so I would like some details.
1) How long was the line they transmitted the 26 terabits?
2) How long a line until a regenerator (repeater) must be used?
3) How much imput power does the 300 optical transmitters require and for regeneration?
4) In short is this practical?
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 11:52 AM
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18. Transmitting is one thing - writing it to media, storing it, processing it....
Not sure they could keep up (unless you had a ton of ram, for instance' or some other way to hold the data once transmitted).

Great potential there for reducing traffic/loads - but now we need hardware that can manage those volumes.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 12:02 PM
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19. The great potential is to increase the capacity of fiber already in the ground
That's the largest expenditure for any telecomunications network...

FYI :hi:
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 12:08 PM
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20. Good point!
:toast:
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 08:42 PM
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34. Actually the greatest expense in fiber transmission are the termination nodes
The equipment at either in transmitting, receiving and switching is were the big money is. My questions still stand and I'd like the answer to one more, is the fiber used in the test standard material available or was it specially manufactured for this project?
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:37 AM
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36. I've been involved in number of fiber build outs, and yes DWDM gear
is very pricey, even after 60% discounts. Laying the fiber and getting right-away rights is the huge hurdle though and takes big bucks. That's why a lot of the main routes are shared by a number of providers. Got to watch one of the rigs that "shoots" the new fiber down through conduit, pretty cool.

I couldn't imagine them using anything other than multi-mode fiber but clarification would be nice. I'm sure the big transport manufacturers are all over it though :)
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 12:32 PM
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22. Oh yes, porn at the speed of light!
:)
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:10 PM
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40. Sadly, I was thinking the same thing...
They use "libararies of congress" as the standard rate of measure, but I suspect other libraries will be more frequently downloaded
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:05 PM
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24. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, Lars.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 02:20 PM
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25. FFT has been around for at least 40 years
This kind of undermines the case for internet throttling, though, as these technologies are adapted commercially.
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 11:52 AM
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39. there are plenty of
lab experiments that go on that demonstrate bleeding edge capabilities but the real world has challenges that have to be overcome.

from the article:

The problem was they didn't have just one laser, they had something like 370 lasers, which is an incredibly expensive thing. If you can imagine 370 lasers, they fill racks and consume several kilowatts of power.







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