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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:06 PM
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Tim Pawlenty wiped a serial child molester’s record clean in 2008
Source: The Raw Story

Former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty formally announced his campaign seeking the GOP nomination for the presidency Monday morning, but by midday, his political past had already caught up to him. Reporting by Minneapolis City Pages' Nick Pinto brought to attention a pardon then-Gov. Pawlenty granted to a sex offender in October 2008, which is sure to haunt the candidate throughout his campaign: the man Pawlenty pardoned was later arrested again for molesting his daughter more than 250 times in an eight-year span, including six years prior to his pardon.



Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/23/tim-pawlenty-wiped-a-serial-child-molesters-record-clean-in-2008/



I don't know if The Raw Story is considered legit enough for Breaking News but the story seems to have some powerful confirmation.

If it needs to be moved I apologize in advance to the mods but it seemed important enough to get out there and I hadn't seen in linked anywhere.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:20 PM
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I don't know if this story is true but ....
.... we will cross that bridge when we come to it.
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:41 AM
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40. Unless it collapses...
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:58 AM
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43. Oh damn. Burn. nt
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:00 PM
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70. Jeremy Giefer served 45 days in prison in 1994 after being convicted of statutory rape.
Edited on Tue May-24-11 08:03 PM by rocktivity
However, because he married the then-14-year-old girl and stuck around to father the child they conceived together, he begged the state for an extraordinary pardon, which would no longer require Giefer to report himself as a sex offender.

The board — which includes the Minnesota attorney general, the chief justice of the Minnesota Supreme Court, and the governor (Pawlenty, at the time) — voted unanimously to pardon Giefer.

The damning details came in November 2010, when Giefer was again arrested on counts of sex with an underage girl — this time with the daughter he had conceived with Susan before his first rape charge.


Sounds like a plot for a Will Farrell movie.

I wonder how much Giefer paid his "in-laws." More important, I wonder how much he's paid the Minnesota GOP!

It's been nice knowing you, Tim.

:eyes:
rocktivity
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 09:30 PM
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75. Fourteen?!?!??!???? Holy crappoli!
Hey, TEEE-PAAAWWWWW, hope it sticks to you like the BP oil spill to every sea creature in the Gulf!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 10:00 PM
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77. Unless that's a typo, he married the THEN 14-year-old girl!
Is that legal in Minnesota? If so, what kind of parents has she got???

:crazy:
rocktivity
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FarLeftFist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:20 PM
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1. WHAAAT?!
The F**K!
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titaniumsalute Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:25 PM
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2. Sure looks true to me
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 12:46 AM
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15. Geifer requested the pardon so his wife
could get a day care license for their residence? I can't figure out why on earth Pawlenty granted the pardon in the first place. He didn't seem to offer an explanation. Its not like the guy was a wealthy donor.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:26 AM
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21. Sure, that is where you want your child.
At a serial sex-offenders home for their pre-school. The guy (or his wife) must have had some connections somewhere. Maybe through their Church?
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 07:01 AM
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28. That could be
or maybe a relative of an associate.

Pawlenty sure is taking some big hits right off the bat. Ed Schultz had a segment about him and the state's budget that was pretty damning. Not a great start.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:20 PM
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62. Ya know,
if I was a parent with a child in that daycare, I would be filing a civil suit against Pawlenty and the other POSs that pardoned this guy and made it possible for him to perp on other children.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:37 PM
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64. I know
The whole thing is insane. What on earth was he thinking? Now that Pawlenty is in the limelight, I wonder how many other stories we're going to hear.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:03 AM
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35. About the wife in that Sanctified, Straight Sacrament of marriage:
"Jeremy Giefer served 45 days in prison in 1994 after being convicted of statutory rape. However, because he married the then-14-year-old girl and stuck around to father the child they conceived together, he begged the state for an extraordinary pardon."

Here is one of Pawlenty's statements against marriage equality, he is a voice of the Defenders of Marriage:
"My general view on all of this is that marriage is to be defined as being a union of a man and a woman. Marriage should be elevated in our society at a special level. I don't think all domestic relationships are the equivalent of traditional marriage. Early on we decided as a country and as a state that there was value in a man and a woman being married in terms of impact on children and the like, and we want to encourage that."
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:18 AM
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38. I'd read that she was under age
but had no idea she was 14. I wonder if Pawlenty thinks a 14 year old is "defined" as a woman. That marriage certainly had an "impact" on Giefer's child.
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:08 PM
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71. If I read it right, he then had sex with his child? NT
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perdita9 Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:24 PM
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59. Women can't be trusted to make decisions about their own bodies
...but molesters can be trusted to have a day care center in their house.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:44 PM
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67. But according to Rep. DeGraaf
of Kansas, women can be trusted to plan ahead for future rapes that might require abortion!

http://www.care2.com/causes/womens-rights/blog/lawmaker-says-women-should-plan-ahead-in-case-of-rape-since-he-carries-a-spare-tire/

Its been a really bad month for women. Actually a bad year. I'm so disgusted, I thought we resolved this crap years ago and now there are those who want us to go back to the fifties.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:17 PM
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61. So...
Pawlenty granted a pardon to a convicted sex offender, so this vile man's WIFE (nee his formerly underaged VICTIM) could open a daycare?!??!!!!!

Yeah, Pawlenty is JUST the kind of guy I want for POTUS... (I don't think I need the sarcasm emoticon...)
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:39 PM
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65. And the irony is....
Political pundits have been saying for some time now that "Pawlenty is too NICE to run for president".
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LetTimmySmoke Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:38 PM
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3. Call Lee Atwater. It's time to run a Willie Horton redux.
If it was good enough for the Bush crime family, is it good enough for Obama '12?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 07:15 AM
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29. No - if true - just put it out there
If this was a special favor for any reason, it is bad. This is not a case of making something look bad. It also is not a case of giving someone a break and having it unexpectedly have negative consequences. He enabled this man to evade the checks carefully designed by law to protect kids.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 09:47 PM
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 10:00 PM
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5. LOL
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 11:31 PM
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10. No, if you can't hide it real well (while "wink wink" knowing), you won't get that bump.
Well...except maybe in the kid's bedroom.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 10:09 PM
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6. Yes, I read about that hours ago here at DU:
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Beth in MN Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 10:50 PM
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7. It's Unfortunately Very True
You can read archived articles from the Minneapolis Star Tribune.
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 10:59 PM
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8. I just had an emotional reaction to this story.
This is the same Tim Pawlenty who said‎ "Children who are the victims of failed personal responsibility are not my problem, nor are they the problem for our government." in 2001. If this guy somehow wins the nomination, his ass is mine. I do whatever it takes to make sure as many people know about this as possible. I don't care if the president, himself asks me ot stop.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 12:22 AM
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13. That is exactly how most "pro-life" repukes feel
They're all about making sure that women have babies. But once the babies are born, they couldn't care less about them, especially if they're born to single mothers.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 07:27 AM
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32. Nor do they care if the kids are victims of sexual abuse
I guess these so-called "pro-life" pedos just want "fresh meat" when their preferred targets get too old for their tastes. :puke:
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 09:37 AM
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45. Just another prime example of the Christian Right that is neither.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-23-11 11:26 PM
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9. "Compassionate Conservatism" at work nt
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Grassy Knoll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 12:08 AM
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11. That's a plus.......
Not.
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Johnny Morales Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 12:19 AM
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12. And so his failure is a foregone conclusion
If there is ONE topic that unites every one no matter where they fall on the political spectrum its wholesale revulsion and intolerance of child sexual abuse.

While I loathe the Right Wing for most everything they stand for, I can count on them to bury him alive for this one episode.

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av8rdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:02 AM
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20. No, you can't
The right will protect and rationalize the most abhorrent behavior if they feel there is any gain to be realized from it. They care about nobody but themselves and their power.

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Frisbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 06:29 AM
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25. That all depends on Rupert...
If he supports Pawlenty, probably not, but if chooses to throw his supports elsewhere, he will likely use it to destroy him. It's just how Faux rolls.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 11:53 AM
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48. So very true
Think Newt and Clinton, the religious right and Cheney shooting someone and cussing out a congresman, Nicki Haley vs. John Edwards. It's only a sin when done by Dems, if it's a Repug, well he gets forgiveness from God, don't you know?

:puke:
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oneAngryOhioDem Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 07:30 PM
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69. Don't count on it...
As a Christian, I know this is wrong, but my right wing counterparts (some who only call themselves Christians - though I doubt their salvation) will absolutely excuse this. They'll make excuses for Pawlenty and say he didn't know enough (which IMHO is enough reason to deny a pardon) and that he would never have granted the pardon had he known more (again - reason enough to NOT grant it). Right wing religious zealots (I won't say Christian) are more interested in power than love, exclusion over salvation and the list goes on and on and on....
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Dave Caputo Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 12:37 AM
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14. Others have seen trends in all this...
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 12:51 AM
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16. comes back to bite 'em

somehow reminds me of the Kids in the Hall clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G14i7ickh1w
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 07:23 AM
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31. Oh my God, I had no idea how many RepubliCON activists and pols
have sexually abused children.

This is one of many, many, many:

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.

That's why RepubliCONS are so against abortions. They need those children.
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Rozlee Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 09:38 AM
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46. And anti-abortionist Earl Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years
for sexually assaulting an 8 year-old girl after he tried to keep a gay couple from adopting her. Don't you love those family values?
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Nossida Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 12:54 AM
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17. oh my,
Edited on Tue May-24-11 12:55 AM by Nossida
Perhaps he will run Mark Foley for Vice President on his ticket?
No Doubt. Give RentBoy.com a call Tim.
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craigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 12:56 AM
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18. well he's done already. looks like it will be mittens. romneycare will be easier to defend than this
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PuffedMica Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:01 AM
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19. Yet another Republican candidate with an open back door, ready for escape
These Republicans know they are going to lose badly to President Obama, and they all have an escape plan. Trump didn't even make it to the serious part of a campaign, he just pulled the emergency escape lever and left the plane while it was still moving.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:37 AM
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22. K&R
If the falling bridge didn't nail him he might survive this too.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 06:10 AM
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23. Wow
And I thought Hucksterbee was going to have trouble over his pardon of a guy who just killed four cops in cold blood a couple of years ago.

Wonder what Freeperville is saying about this one?
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 06:13 AM
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24. He was governor when that awful bridge collapsed occurred
that is not the kind of mindset that should be in the oval office.
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 06:48 AM
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26. NEXT...who else you slimy Repugs?
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 06:59 AM
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27. IOKIARPI
Just sayin'
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 07:21 AM
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30. I posted this story twice yesterday.
in GD and in GDP.
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Yon_Yonson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 07:31 AM
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33. Why wouldn't the story be true ... the jerk is a Republican
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:01 AM
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34. A Rethug Willie Horton!
What goes around, comes around.
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ThatsMyBarack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:05 AM
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36. Money talks, nobody walks.
Buy your slate clean if you can.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:07 AM
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37. is this what makes them "pro-life"
I'm looking for evidence
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 01:00 PM
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53. +1 i was thinking this too
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:27 AM
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39. He also dawdled on getting Franken to the Senate for 6 months!
Let's get him!
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:49 AM
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41. When a politician pardon's a pedophile, it does make me wonder about that politician
and his "sexual" tastes. Particularly since he pardoned him to marry a child who then wanted to have a home day care full of children. To me that just screams sympathetic because he has the same predilections.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 01:01 PM
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55. This wasn't a one-man decision
This pardon was granted by a board which includes the Minnesota attorney general, the chief justice of the Minnesota Supreme Court, and the governor (Pawlenty, at the time) — voted unanimously to pardon Giefer.

Unless you think they're all pedophiles, there must be some other explanation for the pardon.

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bongbong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:56 AM
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42. Tim is a normal repig
Pedophilia is a 'pig Family Value©

http://armchairsubversive.blogspot.com/
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rdking647 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 09:32 AM
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44. tim pawlenty meet willie horton
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 10:23 AM
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47. You suck, Timmy
I don't think the pedophile vote is gonna carry you to the White House, Tea-Paw
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 12:33 PM
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49. How low road do we wish to go here?
The guy in this story was pardoned because of special circumstances wherein he married the 14 year-old he was charged with molesting. I presume this marriage was consensual and legal.

Then, 15 years later, the pardoned guy gets caught again molesting an underage girl.

Is that what we have here?

If so, I am having a difficult time getting properly horrified over Pawlenty's role here. People get pardoned, and sometimes this turns out to be a mistake.

The idea that when this happens, it means that the pardoning authority is therefore somehow sympathetic to the crime that was committed, is really insidious.

Personally, I think Pawlenty's an ass, but to use this incident to claim he is sympathetic to child molestation is low-road politics of the worst sort.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 12:38 PM
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50. If your argument is sound, then we would need to know ourselves circumstances surrounding the pardon
since we are being led to believe that 'there is no there there.' As a presidential candidate, there is always a there there, and the American people have a right to know (and I presume the pardon and circumstances surrounding it are a matter of the public record).
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 12:44 PM
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51. I'm just going on what the article says
If I read it correctly, the pardon came about because the man who molested the young girl ended up marrying her.

This marriage may have been a "fact" that the court or a jury could not consider when deciding guilt or innocence on the molestation charge, but I can see how it might present extenuating circumstances that could justify an eventual pardon.

My point is that this hardly means that Pawlenty supports, or even has questionable views on, the sexual abuse of children.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 12:47 PM
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52. If the molestation happened prior to the marriage, that is absolutely a fact
Otherwise, anyone who molested a child, for example, five or six years ago could simply persuade the former minor to get married, thus, destroying that evidence. Doesn't make logical sense.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:48 PM
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68. hmph!
ANYONE who thinks it's appropriate to allow a child molester to marry his victim has questionable views on the sexual abuse of children!
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 04:24 PM
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58. Yes, by all means, let's cut the Repukes lots of slack
Edited on Tue May-24-11 04:25 PM by Doctor_J
Like they would if it were Obama who'd freed a child molester.

God, we are pathetic

:banghead:
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:44 PM
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66. How sad.
We have laws against statutory rape to protect our CHILDREN from sexual assault! That Jeremy Giefer was allowed to MARRY his first (known) victim was a gross miscarriage of justice. That he has since had access to other children is obscene.

Personally, I think people who minimize the impact of child sexual abuse are asses.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 09:18 AM
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78. Sad indeed
I think that people who misrepresent the views of others are asses.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 02:57 PM
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80. hmph
If the shoe fits...
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:17 PM
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73. Take the high road. I will use ANY legal method to help
decrease the odds of another repug preznit.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 09:15 PM
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74. if he married her at 14, was she 13 or maybe 12 when he started raping her?
sorry, he should not have been allowed to continue to abuse this kid.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 01:01 PM
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54. He's done and dusted a la Willie Horton...
...so long T-Paw...
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Duck Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 01:04 PM
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56. from Huff post
This is too good.

'In retrospect­, Pawlenty admitted Wednesday, the pardon was probably not a good idea.'

Great idea for his next bumper sticker.

PAWLENTY 2012, PROBABLY NOT A GOOD IDEA
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 11:24 AM
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79. ROFL
Good one!
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 01:09 PM
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57. Wow - that's bizarre n/t
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:13 PM
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60. There are lots of stories
on this going back to Nov. 2010 that I can find. Of course, it would be easy enough to confirm from the public record if it's true.
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Blue Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 05:32 PM
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63. T-Wipe
Stands for Taintwipe
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W T F Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 08:12 PM
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72. Could we at least wait until he gets the GOP nomination?
I like to give my fish little line before I reel him in.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-24-11 09:33 PM
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76. Technically the guy was a future serial child molester at the time
Carry on.
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