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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 06:26 PM
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Exclusive: Hackers breached U.S. defense contractors
Source: Reuters

Unknown hackers have broken into the security networks of Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N) and several other U.S. military contractors, a source with direct knowledge of the attacks told Reuters.

They breached security systems designed to keep out intruders by creating duplicates to "SecurID" electronic keys from EMC Corp's (EMC.N) RSA security division, said the person who was not authorized to publicly discuss the matter.

It was not immediately clear what kind of data, if any, was stolen by the hackers. But Lockheed's and other military contractor networks house sensitive data on future weapons systems as well as military technology currently used in battles in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/27/us-usa-defense-hackers-idUSTRE74Q6VY20110527
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Corruption Winz Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 06:43 PM
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1. Brilliant... You'd think we'd have the best of the best securing this sort of thing. n/t
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 07:05 PM
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2. "America is really smart about really stupid things" --
Edited on Fri May-27-11 07:51 PM by defendandprotect
And too often blinded by Pentagon/MIC $$$ --

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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 02:36 AM
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8. We do have the best of the best. It still had a flaw.
The only systems more secure are air-gap (not connected to other computers, which makes networks hard to implement) and live-body real-time biometrics.... which are incredibly expensive.
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Corruption Winz Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 05:56 AM
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11. Still, you would assume that the flaw
if detectable by hackers, would be something that our best would notice first.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 06:35 AM
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12. They knew it.
Air-gap is the flaw, disconnecting everybody is the problem.

As Manning showed, any allowable system-shifting is a hole.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 07:17 PM
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3. Social engineering or an inside job, or both.
But more to the point: secure networks ought not be connected to the web.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 08:49 PM
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5. I thought most companies actually do have their own insider networks (intranet)
that (supposedly) can't be accessed by outsiders. The hacker discovered the password to access their private network.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 09:05 PM
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6. Most companies are slaves to the whims of the CEO. nt
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 02:33 AM
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7. These are passwords that change once a minute. Seriously.
The attack was figuring out how to duplicate the systems generating that change, so they could find the new passwords, as they were changing, minute by minute.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 09:27 AM
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10. Ahhh, pseudo-random number generator "seeds", or the like?
Using the fact that the computation is in fact determinate.

That idea's been around for a while, I think, but yeah, that would be a non-trivial hack, to do it outright, but various strategies to simplify the problem have been discussed, and there is always social engineering, like I said. In fact, since you have to have both the "seed" and the algorithm, one almost has to have some "inside" knowledge. This sort of thing was discussed in terms of setting up "man in the middle" attacks in IP traffic too IIRC.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 08:06 PM
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14. Yes, somebody busted into RSA.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 09:44 PM
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15. Thanks, didn't know about that.
This sort of thing leads one to think about "state actors", because of the resources required. Most of it seem fairly esoteric, and I can't say I am worried much about my bank account.
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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 08:45 PM
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4. Bet they got everything worth getting, if they were smart enough to get in, they know what they want

probably went right for the prize(s) and disappeared with billions of research

for a song

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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 07:08 AM
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9. Lockheed Martin also does computer stuff for Dept of Human Services
if I remember right.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-29-11 07:47 AM
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13. Why don't they create another network not physically connected to the internet?
:shrug:

It might cost a lot, but it could be done. It would be worth it.
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