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LetTimmySmoke Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 10:49 AM
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Nuclear phase-out can make Germany trailblazer - Merkel
Source: BBC

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has said a decision to phase out nuclear power by 2022 can make her country a trailblazer in renewable energy.

Ms Merkel said Germany would reap economic benefits from the move.

Germany is the biggest industrial power to renounce nuclear energy, in a policy reversal for the governing centre-right coalition.

Mrs Merkel set up a panel to review nuclear power following the crisis at Fukushima in Japan.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-13597627



Thank you Congress/GOP/Teabaggers for helping us to completely fall behind Europe.
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Harmony Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 10:59 AM
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1. Merkel's past as a physical chemist
reveals that all her knowledge of Nuclear power being safe in highly sophisticated MDC's was thrown on its head by the crisis in Japan. As a scientist you have to re-evaluate your stances often when confronted with new information. I am glad to see that Merkel has slowly shifted her stance, but we shall see if she follows through. Think of it as a self reflection of everything she has learned over the years.

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LetTimmySmoke Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 10:49 PM
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8. Why can't we get physical chemists as leaders.
I swear, for a century or so we pulled ahead of Europe, but they're firmly back in 1st now.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 11:40 AM
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2. They have yet to announce
exactly how they will replace that energy other than importing more nuclear generated power from France who intend to build even more nuclear power stations.

They also and aim to reduce their overall demand for energy by 10%.

So before comparing the US with Europe - how would the US reduce its demand by 10 % ?
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jimmil Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 11:57 AM
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3. Years ago I read...
That Germany had plans to replace their nuclear reactors with wind powered generators by 2030. I don't know if that was true or not as I have not read any more since then. Perhaps someone can step up with new information if there ever was an actual plan.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 12:13 PM
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4. Wind power is environmnetally friendly
in terms of nil carbon emmission. Its efficiency is however suspect.

See here for some remarks which I just found at random : http://interestingenergyfacts.blogspot.com/2010/09/is-wind-power-efficient-enough.html
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 01:05 PM
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6. Try using some real sources - Germany is accelerating their plans to transition to renewables
They already had planned to phase out nukes and transition to renewables, the only issue was the timeline.
http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/05/16/208107/nukes-germany-transition-renewable-energy/

No nukes, No problem. Germany is proving a rapid transition to renewable energy is possible

By climateguestblogger on May 16, 2011 at 9:52 am

Within four decades, one of the world’s leading economies will be powered almost entirely by wind, solar, biomass, hydro, and geothermal power.

Stephen Lacey: As Germany is showing, it is very possible to get large penetrations of renewable energy while phasing out nuclear energy. With bold political and social support, a consistent incentive framework for clean energy investment, and creative thinking about how to deploy geographically-dispersed resources, Germany is undergoing a major transition in its energy sector.

Below, two experts on the German experience “” Wilson Rickerson of Meister Consultants and Arne Jungjohann of the Heinrich Boll Foundation ”” describe how the country will “reduce carbon emissions 40% below 1990 levels by 2020 (and 80% by 2050)” without nukes.


<snip>

The scale of change that will be required for Germany to meet its renewable energy targets is unprecedented. In September 2010, the conservative government under Chancellor Merkel released its Energy Concept, which outlines the government’s plan to reduce carbon emissions 40% below 1990 levels by 2020 (and 80% by 2050) in part by increasing the national share of renewable electricity to more than 35% in 2020 and to 80% by 2050. Within four decades, one of the world’s leading economies will be powered almost entirely by wind, solar, biomass, hydro, and geothermal power.

The German government is combining its push for renewables with a rapid retreat from its existing nuclear assets. Following the Fukushima disaster, the German government announced a three-month shutdown of seven of its seventeen nuclear power plants and a review of its nuclear strategy. Some analysts have argued that a nuclear scale-back in Germany would prevent the country from reaching its long-term climate and energy goals. In reality, Germany is already well on its way to transitioning from nuclear and fossil fuel power to renewable energy. It is likely that the nuclear crisis in Japan will only accelerate progress towards its goals.

Within the next decade: Germany’s Nuclear Phase Out

There has been strong anti-nuclear sentiment in Germany since the nuclear accident in Chernobyl in 1986. This has been reflected in a series of legislation placing limitations on nuclear build out. In 2002, Germany passed legislation establishing a phase out of nuclear power by 2022. In 2010, the Merkel government confirmed the phase out in general, but extended plant lives by an additional 8-12 years. This extension, which was framed as a necessary “bridge” to a renewable energy future, was unpopular with the public. Soon after the Fukushima crisis, Chancellor Merkel’s party (the conservative Christian Democratic Union, or CDU) lost a key election in the state of Baden-W¼rttemberg. The historic election was largely seen as a referendum on nuclear power and it handed the governorship of Baden-W¼rttemberg, one of Germany’s largest and most economically powerful states, to the Green Party, following close to six decades of CDU rule.

At the national level, there is now a new consensus across the political parties in Germany that the nuclear phase out will again be accelerated. The question is not if Germany will phase out nuclear power, but how quickly. Instead of being shut down some time after 2030, current proposals envision full nuclear shut down some time between 2015 and 2025.

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 01:25 PM
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7. Try being in the UK
and getting bang up to date live discussions on the subject.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 12:15 PM
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5. There's a Russian bear in those woods...
...and it's smiling.

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