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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 11:56 AM
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Chile TV: Secret military report on Allende’s death raises doubts about suicide
Source: Associated Press

Chile TV: Secret military report on Allende’s death raises doubts about suicide
By Associated Press, Updated: Tuesday, May 31, 11:34 AM

SANTIAGO DE CHILE — Chile’s state television channel has reported that President Salvador Allende may have been assassinated and not committed suicide during the 1973 coup.

TVN’s “Special Report” program Monday cited a copy of a long-lost, 300-page military summary of Allende’s death.

After reviewing the report, two forensics experts told TVN that they are inclined to conclude that Allende was assassinated. One of the experts later confirmed that opinion with The Associated Press.

TVN said the military document was discovered in a home belonging to a military justice official that was destroyed in last year’s earthquake.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/chile-tv-secret-military-report-on-allendes-death-raises-doubts-about-suicide/2011/05/31/AG1rkTFH_story.html
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 11:57 AM
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1. Oh, I never had any doubt at all.
Did you?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 12:02 PM
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4. No way! They tried their best to bend it to portray him as cowardly.
He was anything but a coward.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 11:58 AM
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2. No, I never had any doubt, either. Nor that Letelier was an assasination.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 11:59 AM
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3. Most of us already knew that
but, like the release of the Nixon tapes from the same period, the military notes have vindicated us and made us look less like conspiracy nuts.

In both cases, it was just as bad as we said it was.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 12:21 PM
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5. recommend
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 12:43 PM
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6. Please see comments at this link, by DU'er rabs, who follows LatAm news closely:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 01:00 PM
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7. Somewhere, Henry Kissinger fidgets during his afternoon nap
And Dick Cheney shivers like a goose just walked across his grave.

A few people who still imagine themselves to be free smile for no apparent reason.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 01:03 PM
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8. No doubts here, ever.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 02:28 PM
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9. k/r
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 03:03 PM
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10. K&R n/t
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:35 PM
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11. kick
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:35 PM
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12. New report claims Chile’s Allende was killed
Source: Euronews

New report claims Chile’s Allende was killed
02/06 06:23 CET

Only days ago, the body of Chile’s late president Salvador Allende was exhumed to determine exactly how he died in a coup in 1973. Conspiracy theorists do not believe he committed suicide but was instead assassinated. Now new documents have come to light, adding to the mystery.

Forensic expert Luis Ravanal: “The report and the conclusions that I wrote established the existence of at least two projectiles, two impact wounds from bullets of two different weapons. One is clearly a low-calibre weapon, with a round exit wound and the other shattered the cranium. So they are different weapons and it is hard to imagine that an AK-47 would be used for suicide.”

Allende’s death in the midst of a violent coup has never been investigated. Some say he tried to kill himself but failed. His daughter remains cautious over the latest evidence.



Read more: http://www.euronews.net/2011/06/02/new-report-claims-chile-s-allende-was-killed/
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:35 PM
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13. Finally. What happened after his death was often violent in nature
so it does not come as a surprise that he was killed. The killers are most likely all dead not but the truth of the Shock Doctrine that happened there needs to be investigated. Since the 50s this country (USA) has been participating in this economic program and we need to have the truth known so that we can stop what is now happening in our own country.
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cayanne Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:35 PM
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14. Kissinger should have been inindicted years ago
Tried, executed and buried with Nixon.
It is for people like them I wish Hell was real.
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Citizen Worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:36 PM
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23. The same Kissinger who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize? That Kissinger?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 06:29 PM
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29. Yep, that's the one. nt
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:35 PM
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15. No kidding Sherlock.
I remember the first reports that said he killed himself with a high powered automatic weapon. I remember when my mother told me that she thought he had been assassinated. She made some sarcastic remark about how agile he must have been to shoot himself in the back. What we didn't know then was that it was the USA who was behind it.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:35 PM
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19. My family lived in Chile in the 60's
Dad said they killed Allende cause AT&T wanted their copper.

I was flabbergasted! But now it is almost standard knowledge around the world our corporate controlled government is controlled by a bunch of Nazi's.
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:47 PM
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24. It was ITT, not AT&T,




ITT, Kennecott and Anaconda were the three largest U.S. companies operating in Chile before Allende was elected in 1970.. Kennecott and Anaconda huge copper operations were nationalized. ITT had a monopoly on internal/international communications in Chile.

ITT was especially instrumental in pouring in money to overthrow Allende.

Much more in the Church Committe report that investigaged the U.S. role in the golpe.

(Google Chile church senate report)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 06:27 PM
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28. AT& T and all the communication companies both
national and global needed the copper.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 06:26 PM
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27. I lived there in the forties and fifties when I wasn't
in school up here in the states. My dad retired in 1961. It seems we both missed the bad stuff and I agree about the copper. It was all about the copper not only with AT & T but the American companies that were mining it and the need for it for our war machine.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 06:34 PM
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30. My impression was
at the time phone cables used a lot of copper. So AT&T wanted it cheap and Chile has a lot of it.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 06:48 PM
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31. Well, the mining companies, and my dad worked for
Anaconda in Chile, needed to keep control of the production so that the copper wasn't sold to Russia, China or any other enemy we might go to war with. By the time he retired, the country of Chile was taking 100% of the profits but the companies were okay with it because the US still controlled the copper and probably gave the companies involved subsidies to keep them doing it. It was not only for copper wiring for the telephone companies that copper was need but was an important element of our war machine and weapons. The mines were being slowly bought from the companies but under Allende the mines were totally nationalized which is why I believe he was assassinated and the democratic government of Chile overthrown in favor of a brutal but more compliant dictatorship. However, even Pinochet didn't dare give the mines back to the Americans so they are still nationalized but new private companies can be incorporated. Instead they brought in the Milton Friedman economists to shape Chile's new economy into something completely corporate and fascist in nature, much of what they are doing here now. All the programs the Republicans want to bring to us for SS, Medicare and other privatization scheme have failed in Chile but it doesn't seem to matter to them.
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Pharaoh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 07:24 PM
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32. Yes your right
The corporate takeover of the planet has been going on all my life. I was born in the 50's. I am quite weary of it all. We seem to be very close to the edge of the cliff now.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 03:02 AM
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34. I read once
that ITT who at that time were world's largest users of copper and also made substantial donations to the Republican Party made it perfectly clear that in the absense of action in Chile their donations would cease.

I found your father's comments interesting - thanks.
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 02:08 PM
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35. Some juicy titbits about ITT most people do not know
Edited on Fri Jun-03-11 02:10 PM by rabs



INVOLVEMENT IN THE 1964 COUP IN BRAZIL

João Goulart was the president of Brazil. The US government, including President Lyndon Johnson, Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara, ambassador Lincoln Gordon, and others, felt he had Communist leanings. ITT owned the phone company of Brazil; Washington was afraid he would nationalize it. ITT's president, Harold Geneen, was friends with the Director of Central Intelligence, John McCone. The CIA performed psyops against Goulart, performed character assassination, pumped money into opposition groups, and enlisted the help of the Agency for International Development and the AFL-CIO. The 1964 Brazilian coup d'état exiled Goulart and the military dictatorship of Humberto de Alencar Castelo Branco took over. McCone went to work for ITT a few years later. The dictatorship lasted until 1985. <4>

INVOLVEMENT IN THE 1973 PINOCHET COUP IN CHILE

ITT owned of 70% of Chitelco, the Chilean Telephone Company, and funded El Mercurio, a Chilean right-wing newspaper. Declassified documents released by the CIA in 2000 suggest that ITT financially helped opponents of Salvador Allende's government prepare a military coup.<5><6> On September 28, 1973, ITT's headquarters in New York City, New York, was bombed by protesters for alleged involvement in the September 11th overthrow of the democratically elected socialist government in Chile.<7>

In 1972, newspaper columnist Jack Anderson disclosed a memo of ITT's Washington lobbyist, Dita Beard, which revealed a relationship between ITT's providing funds for the Republican National Convention and a Justice Department settlement of an antitrust suit favorable to ITT.<8>


and ... might as well as throw in ITT and its NAZI lovefest

NAZI INVOLVEMENT

According to Anthony Sampson's book The Sovereign State of ITT, one of the first US businessmen Hitler received after taking power in 1933 was Sosthenes Behn, then the CEO of ITT, and his German representative, Henry Mann.<3> Antony C. Sutton, in his book Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, makes the claim that ITT subsidiaries made cash payments to SS leader Heinrich Himmler.

ITT, through its subsidiary The Lorenz Company, owned 25% of Focke-Wulf, the German aircraft manufacturer, builder of some of the most successful Luftwaffe fighter aircraft. In the 1960s, ITT Corporation won $27 million in compensation for damage inflicted on its share of the Focke-Wulf plant by Allied bombing during World War II.<3> In addition, Sutton’s book uncovers that ITT owned Huth and Company, G.m.b.H. of Berlin, which made radio and radar parts that were used in equipment for the Wehrmacht.

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ITT was compensated $27 million because the allies bombed a Nazi warplane plant in which the company had shares !! Son of a gun !!!!

:hi:







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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 02:31 PM
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36. Kicking for your great post. People NEED to know this about ITT.
Horrendous information to people who haven't heard it yet.

By the way, I remember Dita Beard. It rang a bell immediately.

It's so much better to hear the Nazi material now, than to have never heard it. Can't believe they concealed it so well from so many people. It does remind us of so many shocking, outrageous, grotesque things we've been learning so late after the fact.

Thank you.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:35 PM
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16. well duh.....
why in the hell would he commit suicide?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:35 PM
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17. Known lies revealed after 38 years
Now, think about all the things you "know" from around that time. How many more are lies?
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:35 PM
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18. So much of this "late breaking news" is "old suppressed news" to those of us
who have been paying attention.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:36 PM
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20. Doubtless the US will conclude
he killed himself twice. :sarcasm:

Rec'd.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:36 PM
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21. Where's our latter day Arlen Specter?
Someone has to come up with a new "magic bullet" theory to explain it all.

Actually, they don't "have to" do anything. Not with the leadership of our nation firmly opposed to lookin' backwards to the past about anything. How many poisonous little flowers bloom from our country's past sins? But as long as our people are persuaded that any attacks against the United States are because "terrorists" hate us for our "freedom," the jolly little game goes on and on and on. Folks like Nixon die a nice, quiet death at home, and we indulge national paroxysms of grief. Our leaders make nice-sounding speeches, and the ugly past is effectively papered over. Henry Kissinger may be persona non grata in the rest of the civilized world, but he's an elder statesman in the U.S., in high demand for his gravelly accent and foreign policy acumen.

Just keep in mind that the next attack on the United States will be for our vaunted freedom and liberty, not because of anything we've done in Chile, Guatemala, Iraq, Afghanistan, Colombia, Indonesia, Yemen, and so on and so forth.
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 06:20 PM
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26. +1 Well said. n/t
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 05:36 PM
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22. The mystery now is who fired the second shot


Judi, earlier this week there was a lengthy interview of a Chilean author who has been investigating Allende's death for 25 years in one of Santiago's newspapers. I think (would have to look it up) that it was La Nacion, which is the Pinera government newspaper.

The author's theory is that it was one of Allende's GAP who fired the second shot. The author actually named the GAP (*) (forget his name, would have to go back and find the article). The GAP was captured with about 42 others inside the La Moneda palace with Allende that day. Almost all of them, including the shooter, were summarily executed that same day at the Colinas army base just outside Santiago.

This author says that Allende in fact did try to commit suicide by shooting himself under the chin, but he did not die immediately and was in agony. So the GAP guy delivered a coup d' grace to Allende's head. That is how he explains the second bullet wound in the head.

You will recall that state-run Television Nacional aired a version of Allende's death just last week out of a clear blue sky. It made no sense, since the body was exhumed several days ago the Chilean and international forensic experts are conducting the investigation. Results are expected within three months.

So I was thinking that the Pinera government, knowing that the autopsy would reveal two bullet wounds, was pre-empting any speculation that Allende was executed by army troops, which would also explain why the author was interviewed -- to throw public opinion off the track.

Will see if can find the article.

* GAP, for those who do not know, were civilian bodyguards who protected Allende in the final year/months. A reporter once asked Allende who they were and he replied, "un grupo de amigos personales." (Group of Personal Amigos), hence GAP entered the Chilean lexicon.

Cleita --- :hi: La Patagonia no se vende !!


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-03-11 02:28 AM
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33. Sounds exactly as if they're anticpating the truth getting out, after all, and ARE putting the lie
in place first which will divert belief, they hope, in the natural assumption people would make following the facts.

That is really sleazy. Completely sleazy. Sounds as if they killed the body guards because they were witnesses to what happened to Allende, right? Holy smokes. These guys are shameless. Everyone knew Pinera was a Pinochet supporter before the election and he tried to put one over on the country by claiming it wouldn't enter in to his presidential decisions. Doesn't look as if that's the case, does it?

Wow.

Thanks for the information. It's also good to know La Nacion is their paper of choice. I assumed it was still El Mercurio since Nixon had the CIA pour millions of dollars, and agents into the newspaper to craft so much b.s. to vilify Allende, then glorify Pinochet. But that was 40 years ago or more.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-02-11 06:11 PM
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25. Last Words (Salvador Allende)
Surely, this will be the last opportunity for me to address you. The Air Force has bombed the antennas of Radio Magallanes. My words do not have bitterness but disappointment. May they be a moral punishment for those who have betrayed their oath: soldiers of Chile, titular commanders in chief, Admiral Merino, who has designated himself Commander of the Navy, and Mr. Mendoza, the despicable general who only yesterday pledged his fidelity and loyalty to the Government, and who also has appointed himself Chief of the Carabineros. Given these facts, the only thing left for me is to say to workers: I am not going to resign!

... I will pay for loyalty to the people with my life. And I say to them that I am certain that the seeds which we have planted in the good conscience of thousands and thousands of Chileans will not be shriveled forever. They have force and will be able to dominate us, but social processes can be arrested by neither crime nor force. History is ours, and people make history ...

The people must defend themselves, but they must not sacrifice themselves. The people must not let themselves be destroyed or riddled with bullets, but they cannot be humiliated either ...

Long live Chile! Long live the people! Long live the workers!

These are my last words, and I am certain that my sacrifice will not be in vain. I am certain that, at the very least, it will be a moral lesson that will punish felony, cowardice, and treason.

http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2006/allende110906.html
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