Source: Huffington Post

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) voted against beginning debate on a measure that would have the Senate declare the rich should share the pain of debt reduction Thursday, a day after arguing that it's the poor and middle class who need to do more.

"I hear how they're so caring for the poor and so forth," Hatch said in remarks on the Senate floor Wednesday, in reference to Democrats. "The poor need jobs! And they also need to share some of the responsibility."

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But it was Hatch whose remarks Wednesday raised the idea that the wealthy are already doing too much, even as the nation's effective tax rates are at modern lows since the Bush administration slashed rates in 2001 and 2003. In his view, it seems, the middle class and poor should be picking up the slack.

"The top 1 percent of the so-called wealthy pay 38 percent of all income tax. The top 10 percent are paying 70 percent of all income tax," Hatch said. "The top 50 percent pay somewhere near 98 percent of all income taxes. 51 percent don't pay anything," Hatch said, suggesting the payroll taxes that the poor and middle classes pay towards Social Security yields them an especially generous benefit.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/07/orrin-hatch-debt-poor-rich_n_892177.html

I say let's make Hatch pay for the deficit, if he's so freaked out

I'm sure he wouldn't mind taking one for the team

He's scheduled to return as a banana slug in a late August summer in Seattle. Don't forget to always stock salt. It's important in so many ways.

And I'd hate for it to feel undervalued

Living as a liberal in Utah can be downright dangerous... I've been harassed at work, fired from jobs, and physically accosted because I won't back down. The religious nutjobs in my state make me weep for the future of our country.

I just hope I don't get called on "Utah Bashing" for saying that

and the really sad thing here is that Hatch is relatively sane compared to Lee, Wimmer, Buttars, Chaffetz, et al.

Our DEMOCRATIC Senator voted against even talking about the idea of raising 50 year low taxes rates on the wealthy. At least Hatch is a Repug. Nelson is a pig.

It's a social safety net and he's already got his.

Perhaps you would like a moment to rethink.

:patriot:

Social benefit is not trickling down, therefore there's no reason the taxes should.

Starting with sports owners, we help pay for their buildings. And remember Al checkbook Checchi? He gourged at the public trough and took off breaking his deal. What about all of the incentives WE pay businesses to stay in a state? "

companies around the Midwest are planning to expand, rehiring workers and in some cases, adding new ones. But some also have used the recovery as an opportunity to hint that they might move elsewhere. In response, cities, states and local communities have come up with significant financial incentives aimed at convincing these companies to stay put.

Motorola Mobility is getting $100 million from Illinois to keep its headquarters in the state.

http://www.changinggears.info/2011/05/12/companies-win-incentives-to-stay-in-town/

its because THEY HAVE ALL THE FUCKING MONEY.

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_wealth): "In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth and the top 1% owned 38%. On the other hand, the bottom 40% owned less than 1% of the nation's wealth."

Hatch and the Republicans repeating these talking points are being slippery in a three ways: 1) They're talking about "income", not wealth; 2) they're talking about income tax, and ignoring other taxes, especially Social Security taxes; and 3) they're counting on Americans misperception of income and wealth distribution. A fourth thing 4) is they ignore the cost of the basic necessities of life.

1) On income vs. wealth, the top 10% by Adjusted Gross Income make about 46% of income (http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html) but own 71% of the wealth. That "income" does not include unrealized capital gains. Change in wealth does not equal "income" for tax purposes. If your net worth increases by $100 million, you might not have any taxable income on that $100 million, unless you cashed in some of your investments.

2) Income tax is designed to be "progressive" (means the rich pay a higher rate). Sales taxes, lotteries, and Social Security taxes are not. With Social Security taxes in particular, the income cap really, really benefits the rich. Above $106,800, you pay no more SS tax. If you make $106 million, you pay the same as if you make $106K--$16,340 (.0153% vs. 15.3%).

3) Americans always, always underestimate wealth and income inequality. Where do you think the 50th percentile is? I was shocked, really shocked to learn the 50th percentile of AGI is about $33,000. How do HALF of Americans live on that? Senator Hatch, that is why they pay so little tax (not zero like he said, but only about 3% of income tax, much more of total taxes).

4) The necessities--food, clothing, shelter, transportation--eat up all the income of the lowest 50%. In fact, another post (I have lost the link to) estimated a family needs about $50,000 to meet basic needs in today's America. Below that level is real poverty. Meanwhile, the top 10%, who all make more than $113,000 in AGI, have plenty left over after paying for a nice house, two or three nice cars, good clothes, and eating out (not at drive-through windows) a few times a week.

50 to 65 percent of Americans are poor. What we think of as "middle class" is probably around the 65th to 85th percentiles. The 90th to 99th percentiles are making pretty good money. The top 1%, starting at $380K a year in AGI, is quite wealthy (38% of all the wealth owned). And the top 400 are frakkin' billionaires.

A picture is worth a thousand words. The same is true for pie charts. Go to:

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/

Click on "Income, wealth, and power" and page down to the pie charts. Just look at them and cry.

And then they have the nerve to complain. Surely there must be a price to pay for the right to become filthy rich in any society.

could a story about how BADLY the bottom 90% of income earners have done over the last 30 years be demagogued into a bullshit talking point about how badly the poor bloated plutocrats and economic royalists in the top 10% are being treated. "Oh, poor billionaires! They've soaked up nearly 80% of the economic prosperity over the last three decades. But it's a double edged sword, so it is! Now they're being forced to support all those "freeloaders" in the bottom 50% who've become so poor that they fall below the minimum level of income needed to trigger income tax. Gosh, life is full of irony,isn't it?"

And actually, the top 10% may be paying 70% of the taxes, but they have more than 70% of the income. Their tax rate is dis proportionally small because they're paying mostly Capital Gains tax at 15%.


It would only be fun to watch Hatch and the other GOP servants to the banksters play the violin on the Senate floor, repeating those talking points over and over again IF the MSM would actually call them on the bullshit. And point out that the reason the top income earners are paying such a large portion of the taxes is because they've absorbed a HUGELY disproportionate amount of the wealth. But since the MSM is NOT pointing that out, this is all just very sad and disturbing.

How about some sensible planks in the Democratic party platform?
1. If elected, we'll slap a 5% surtax on everybody earning more than $ 1 million per year.
2. If elected, we'll slap a 10% surtax on everybody earning more than $ 10 million per year.
3. If elected, we'll fix the Capital Gains tax so that you only get the 15% tax rate if you invest in AMERICAN COMPANIES. (If you're going to insist on continuing to invest in Chinese companies that are trying to drive American companies out of business...fine, if you want to be un-american in the way you earn money you can pay 39% like everybody else. American taxpayers are not going to subsidize you for putting them out of work!)
4. If elected, we'll bring in the 5 year payroll tax holiday for ppl who've been unemployed longer than six months.
5. If elected, we'll have a ONE TIME ONLY, zero percent tax on money repatriated from tax havens, AND THEN WE'RE CLOSING THAT F-ING LOOP HOLE! If you try to bring any of your money back from the Bahamas NEXT year, you're paying 39% or more.

throw your hat in the ring and run , i'll vote for you , what you said made a hell of alot of since

:puke:

that is all.

How much blood do the top 10 % or 1 % contribute when there is a war? Is there a percentage?

I can tell you during the last war what had to sacrifice. Nothing. Not a goddamned thing. Instead they get the biggest tax break in recent memory. Maybe we really DO need REAL CLASS WARFARE!

for the top 1%.

They make truckloads of money off of defense contract dividents, you get a tax CUT, and while your kids are learning the Skull and Bones secret handshake at Yale it's all those poor peasants who had to join the Army Reserve to pay their way through college who have to go and get their asses shot off.

I'm convinced we wouldn't have fought a SINGLE WAR since Korea if we had the following simple policy:

NATIONAL WAR ACT: Any military action that requires more than 20 000 troops, and lasts longer than six months TRIGGERS AN AUTOMATIC LOTTERY DRAFT, an AUTOMATIC TAX INCREASE, and an AUTOMATIC WINDFALL TAX OF 10% ON ALL DEFENSE CONTRACTORS.

If us fucking peasants would just stop complaining and stay in our place we wouldnt be having any problems.

the rich, if you aren't rich, you are the problem.

The class war was over in 2000. We lost. The decisive battle for the middle class was lost when the supreme court puppets, carefully put in place by the plutocratic class a decade earlier, appointed G.W. as President. Banana Republic....here we are.

The fact that the supreme court has overturned campaign finance laws on how much corporations can spend to distort the democratic process, and given (international) corporations the same status as (really BIG) people...people who enjoy the same participation in the democratic process as a person while not sharing the same LIABILITY for malfeasance...

A facade of an FEC that doesn't even bother to trace money sources in elections, and frankly doesn't even CARE if it's coming from David Koch OR Hugo Chavez (personally, I think Chavez could start using oil money to buy some U.S. elections too. Why not?)

A facade of an SEC that doesn't even bother to check if Goldman Sachs is selling their own customers CRAP, and then shorting the stuff they sell them and making a fortune off their own customers' misery.

The fact that the plutocratic corporate elites aren't even bothering to HIDE their influence peddling anymore indicates that the class war is over, and this is either just a mop up operation, or an OCCUPATION with a Vichy-style puppet government.

Would be running around and killing rich people.

This is just proper taxation, to flatten out an exponential wealth curve. Just so you know.

It's kinda hard to pay taxes when you have no money, fucking idiot.

You call yourself a man of God, Orrin? A "Latter Day Saint"? Well, then remember the words of that guy who supposedly dropped in to visit the Lamanites and had that pow wow with Joey Smith out in the woods.

Something about camels, eye of the needle, and selling everything you have and giving the money to the poor.

Ring any church bells, Senator Hatch?

Do it on Netflix...or if you still have a Blockbuster ...rent it...or use your Local Library for FREE to see DICKENS...and see if it isn't AMERICA in 2011!

the poor and middle class should just drop dead so we'll stop having to pay for government programs. He just hasn't thought about where all the cannon fodder and upstairs maids will come from when that happens.

:puke:

Thanks for the thread, onehandle.

so fuckin' easy...

Here's an idea, Orrin. How about you do a real world "Trading Places" with a poor and/or homeless person to see how easy they have it? That or go down to the areas of D.C. that you probably avoid and tell them to their faces how easy they have it and that they need to give more? Scumbag.

The REASON the rich pay most of the INCOME tax is that they make most of the INCOME.

MOUSELAND! The problem is not whether the cats are black or white. The problem is that they're CATS! Why can't we have a government of MICE?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC1GtIhwpSk

Hatch is one sick dude.

Orrin accidentally reveals the truth.

THAT'S why they don't pay more in income taxes.

And they get reamed on taxes anyway. They pay the same sales tax, Medicare, Social Security, property tax (IF they happen to be so fortunate to have property) that the rich do.

... you could have a politician making the case openly that the problem with the economy is that the poor are not poor enough (which is what basically "the poor should do more to shrink the debt" translates to).

would love to make enough money so they had to pay taxes. What would you rather do, earn $10,000 yearly and pay no income taxes, or earn $100,000 yearly and pay a modest amount of tax? The answer is obvious.

And remember that even the poor who pay no income taxes still pay regressive sales taxes, property tax, and other taxes.

And BTW, you can try to move to the right of Attila the Hun, but the Tea Party in Utah is still going to take you down in the next election. And when that happens I'm going to laugh my ass off.

I've wanted Hatch and Hyde to go down since the 70's.

he is getting and will get for life.

I'm glad you brought that up. If the middle class and poor have more money, that money goes back into the economy, where if it goes to the rich, as has been demonstrated this last 10 years now, it does not. They just keep it locked up and get interest on it. Above what they spend on merchandise and on yachts, it doesn't go to hiring new employees, because if it did the unemployment rate wouldn't be through the room.

How there are still people around who believe that "you can't take money away from those who make jobs," and "why punish success," I can't understand. During all this tax break time, we've had two damned wars going on. Could you imagine a culture in the 40's that didn't believe in sharing the burden? Could we have won WWII without the much higher revenue collected from the top 1%? Hell no. Now, the sacrifice is purely on the middle and lower classes. If they are struggling to eat, and pay rent because they don't have jobs because companies slashed workers and now have one worker doing the work of three people for bupkis, there is less money going back into the economy in sales taxes. There are fewer purchases of clothing, cars, electronics, etc.

Not to mention, there has been proof that the unemployment rate and economies to better during times of higher tax rates for the rich. It's not like were saying to go back to the 90% tax bracket on earnings over 250 thousand. Can we just go back to what it was under Clinton, for crying out loud?

:rant: :)

Can't waste the good stuff on poor folks.

telling us what we can't eat!

*spins up the cynical solution mode*

let's see, E. Coli and Salmonella plus can't afford healthcare, plus can't afford to stay away from work much
== easily spread diseases
== many dead workers
== lotta meat


very patriotic food source,
very cheap, a little contaminated perhaps, but no need for nanny state, just for that, a little bacteria is good for the stomach right? it's the point of probiotics

cannibal? say what, don't you people all understand that in HARD times we ALL *points to the poorest* need to make hard choices and SACRIFICES, besides a little special sauce on it and you'd never know

does it need to be said?
:sarcasm:

Makes for better fat marbling.

I'm guessing there are no poor mormons then.
What an evil, ignorant waste of human flesh.

Orrin could never allow a Mormon family to starve, or lose their home. Conveniently enough for him, most of his constituents are LDS, so he doesn't have to worry about them suffering.

you fuckface rich people! It creates jobs and body bags and keeps invaders from stealing all your wealth...I hope someday Fuckface goes to hell and rots for eternity.

and other taxes like gasoline tax that these poor people he wants us to hate so much do, THEN see how he feels about whether they don't pay enough!

BASTARD!

young Orrin Hatch confided in his Pastor, Rod Flash, that, every time he saw, (or even heard the name) Mr. Potter, in the movie, It's a Wonderful Life, he would sprout an erection. Ebeneezer Scrooge only sent tingle down his spine and made him think of the joy of pulling wings off flies, he confided to Pastor Flash, but Potter really gave him an irresistible, sexual charge.

It is a little known fact that Mr. Hatch, as a young adult, was the founder and President of the Mr. Potter Fan Club and edited, wrote and distributed a newsletter for the club called, Surplus Population Times.

However, the allegations that Sen. Hatch keeps an over-inflated love doll in his closet with Mr. Potter's face pasted on the head, which he purportedly brings to bed with him from time to time, have been proven entirely untrue.

He keeps the doll in a dresser drawer and only inflates it in times of real need.

If they could replace Ted Kennedy with Brown in liberal MA why couldn't we

at least find a less Orrin Hatch, Orrin Hatch?


:evilgrin:

The power of the corporate media once again is shown. Here is Hatch saying something completely insance, and rather than hold him accountable, even liberals give him a free pass, and try to blame Democrats for his insanity. Try as we might, even liberals cannot escape the pervasive influence of the corporate media narrative compelling liberals to give Republicans a free pass. Somehow, Democrats are to blame for Hatch's comments.

I doubt any of them get it from their high and sheltered perches in our society. the current state of affairs we are in was created solely for the benefit of those on the upper rungs. The "trickle down" promise that we've been screwed over with for 30 years has broken the backs of the working middle class, the very backs that they used to balance the national checkbook on as the upper crust was rewarded with more and more tax breaks. They were supposed to respond in kind by providing jobs with decent pay and benefits in exchange for those tax breaks. They welched, they lied. They offshored, laid off, engaged in union busting and have denigrated and called American workers every nasty name they can think of. They erected a multi billion propaganda ministry to keep us divided and to somehow keep enough common folks voting for their guys and against their own interests. Now this asshole turns around and DARES to demand from the very people who have been increasingly assaulted by their economic violence for the last 3 decades?

Fuck him and the Bachmann he rode in on, if they want that other 51% to pay more taxes, here's an idea. Provide jobs for that 51% that pay enough to put them up into the taxpaying brackets.... like the mealy-mouthed welching bastards promised they would when they started this insanity 30 years ago. Like they keep promising EVERY SINGLE TIME the aristocratic class comes crying for another government handout.

Otherwise, him and all his well heeled buddies can blow it out their asses, I've had my goddamn belly full of it! :grr: :mad:

Orrin Hatch is too deeply in the pocket of his corporate masters to care one whit for the poor.

and a good share of our "Democrats" these days :grr:

Having the poor pay more reminds me of a Monty Python sketch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVRQK58jrbw

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But the things they should do are not things Mr. Hatch would like.

It would include things like torches, pitchforks, and rope...maybe!

Somewhere Jeebus is blowing chunks at the anti-Christian values the Republicons embrace

I don't like to use the word 'hate', but I truly, honestly hate Republicans - more and more each day.

of the wealth.

They also use more of the nation's resources and strain its infrastucture more than anyone else. For just a few examples. the poor didn't mess up the Gulf and or Yellowstone River; their trucks are not chewing up our roads and stressing our bridges; and the poor are not landing their private planes and jets in our airports.

Yet, according to you, they pay only 38% of our taxes. How in heaven's name is that fair?



Wanna talk, "share," do you? Bring it.

It's not about income taxes for the commoners.....it's about total tax burden. All the myriad fees we pay imposed on us by local and state governments. Gas taxes, sales taxes, fees for this and that......they add up.

Does anybody have a good source for a state by state comparison of total tax burden by income level?

Never found one and that's the point we need to keep hammering home.

The poor pay plenty of taxes.

:hi:

I've never read anything specific about what proportion of their income the poor pay in taxes--the taxes and fees on the essentials that you mentioned, plus payroll tax, plus health insurance--compared with the rich. I can't imagine that the numbers are anything other than completely sickening. Not that any of those data would change Hatch's mind--only campaign donations would do that.

And if you are renting, you are paying your landlord's property taxes but not getting any deduction from your income taxes for that fact.

oesn't matter how much he loves his mamma or how much he thinks he loves Jesus, he's on his way to a lesser life form next time around.

According to Mormons, we are all chidren of God, including Jesus. He's their brother. They don't consider him any more divine than they are.

They also claim to be Christians, the President wants cuts and he claims to be so dang Christian that he can not stand the idea of marriage equality. Theft and fraud, he's fine with that. Spin and vague word games meant to obscure his meaning, he is good with that too.
So there is in fact no true Scotsman that I can see. Which of them is how they are 'supposed to be'? None, no, not one.

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besides the hatred of dark skinned people and that women are property of the man.

PIG!

Fresh meat to rot while people starve is a sin.

Jesus fed the poor and healed them. Hatch wants them to cough up blood. What a monster.

How, pray tell, are the poor to get jobs or create jobs? It takes capital to do either.

We are now witnessing a failure of the capitalist system as we have known it. I am no Marxist, but I can see what is happening before my eyes.

The Republicans want to replace capitalism with feudalism.

The Democrats want to replace capitalism with ?????

Socialism just turns into a very nasty form of feudo-capitalism?

So the question is, how do we change our system to make capitalism work for everyone?

Hatch's statement is an admission of the failure of what we are doing now -- of the form of capitalism we have now.

The Wall Street party is over. They are just fighting over who gets to take home the table decorations now.

are christian in name only. They really don't care for the whole "Prince of peace" thing- they like the old testament god.

That's because that 51% has nothing left to pay with once they have paid for their basic necessities.

Hatch needs to try living on $10 per hour for a while. Let's see how he manages.

In fact, I think we should ask all our members of Congress to try living just for a few months on the average American take-home pay.

I think it would enlighten them a great deal. Of course, they would have to move into cheaper housing and stop eating at any restaurant other than those in the McDonalds range.

with the minimum wage. I guess she thinks we need to pay our workers what the Chinese do. No one can live on minimum wage without being supplemented by their family, or having to work more than one job. Of course, who cares if we work 70 hours a week with no health insurance, no vacation, no sick leave. Dickensian? Yep, that's so right.

Pat Buchanan pushes it on MSNBC each morning.

Gotcha!

are the poor supposed to be responsible for Wall St rape and pillage?!! help lower the debt from their CARS?! or moreover the cardboard BOX?! they use for shelter?! you & your like are a greedy, sick f***s!!

And I suggest all the poor people in the country send their pennies to Sen. Ornery Hatch with the note, "I have as many pennies doing nothing as the wealthy have $10 bills, and they can afford to pay those just as much."

Glue or tape just one to a piece of paper and write "Here is my shared sacrifice. Suck it dry Orrin."

I have some lying around and since they don't buy much they could garner some bad publicity for hatchet face. Where do you think we should send them?

Blah blah blah....

How much of the income are they hauling in, Orrin?

This is just absurd! It's double plus stupid.

not paying too much in taxes. In fact, they are paying too little. What people like Hatch would want are either a flat tax or consumption tax (which really would be unfair - to the poor.) At least the Repukes aren't hiding their disdain for the poor anymore.

http://www.mybudget360.com/top-1-percent-control-42-percent-of-financial-wealth-in-the-us-how-average-americans-are-lured-into-debt-servitude-by-promises-of-mega-wealth/
so that dog doesn't hunt.

who snored through the sermon on the mount.

"And blessed are the Hedge Fund Managers . . . "

They loathe the poor, call themselves Christians, oppress gay people and Muslims in the name of a faith they themselves make mockery of. I have had enough of all such political leeches.

One would be tempted to dismiss such nonsence as "disconnected", but it's obvious that Orrin's the one who's pulled the plug!

Charles Dickens' England of the 1850s, wherein five percent of the population lived like sultans, while the other 95% fought for scraps of food in the streets.

clearly it doesn't occur to him that those accumulating the most wealth should pay the most.

'At this festive season of the year, Mr Scrooge,' said the gentleman, taking up a pen, 'it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.'

'Are there no prisons?"

'Plenty of prisons,' said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.

'And the Union workhouses.' demanded Scrooge. 'Are they still in operation?'

'Both very busy, sir.'

'Oh. I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,' said Scrooge. 'I'm very glad to hear it.'

'Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,' returned the gentleman, 'a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?'

'Nothing!' Scrooge replied.

the bank CEOs, the media owners, the war profiteers, the greed crazed gamblers on Wall Street. They CAUSED it; the poor are their victims and they damn well know it!

an individual who pays 25% on $35000 or one who pays 35% on $1,000,000? In actual dollars the wealthier person pays more. In terms of disposable income the poorer person pays much more, especially since sales taxes and most state income taxes are regressive. The wealthiest income brackets have seen their real incomes explode during the last decade. Any notion that the over burdened rich are carrying the poor on their backs is a conveniently timed meme designed to rationalize not removing tax loopholes for the wealthy.

That's the simple translation of what Hatch said.

http://www.voiceofjesus.org/onthepoor.html It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

http://www.zompist.com/meetthepoor.html

http://www.jesuscentral.com/ji/life-of-jesus-modern/jesus-poor.php
Jesus the Advocate for the Poor

these Dominionists are destroyers

下劣な男を地獄に行く

it's all those other taxes that corporations and the wealthy gets a complete pass on, that they don't pay. This is a shopworn ploy. Income tax is only a slice of the national revenue pie. The poor already have footed the bill for the rich by having to pay for things their tax money used to provide them for free, or go without.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here, but I had to get that one out.

who the fuck names thair kid orrin ooh by the way fuck you orrin :puke:

:crazy:

He has left himself wide open.

sigh :banghead:

... Huh? Whadda think of that, Orrin? What?

I can hire half the working class to kill the other half...ha-ha-ha --- Jay Gould, demonic Godfather to the GOP

you almost wonder if this guy is just part of the two party theater

President Obama needs to tell boehner&cantor that CONgressional pay will be the 1st CUT if DEADline is missed!

GAME OVER!

If there is a hell, he's got a place warmed up for him already.

If the Karmic wheel turns, he's got a hard, sorry lesson to learn.

If our lives are inevitably meaningless after death, he'll still be a shit stain on reality for eternity.

the WILL OF THE MAJORITY of the American people.

If 75% of the people would care enough to vote (instead of below 50%), these a-holes would never be where they R.

Just how much more FUCKING responsibility does Hatch and his asshole friends want to put on the backs of the poor and middle class? They have jobs that barely meet their expenses, can barely hang on to their homes, can't afford health insurance, and are at the FUCKING mercy of people like Hatch and his asshole upperclass, business friends who have skewed the system so that EVERY benefit goes DIRECTLY to them.

Fuck Hatch and the Rolls he drove in on.

breathing.

What a waste of planetary resources he is.

Seriously.

...with a side of fava beans and a nice chianti.

How's he gonna get into LDS heaven if you do??? :cry:

Mostly shitting him.

Not a man of principle at all - he's surrendering to the teabaggers who call the shots in the Repug party....they are suggesting he is too "liberal".......and are running a tea party candidate against him in the primary. So...his subsequent utterances move him to the right of Attila the Hun.......SHAMELESS!!

" He's (Obama) not going to be successful by taxing the daylights out or everyone around here," With a little hand gesture. In other words, you can't tax us here in this room!! Hatch has a net worth of between $2-5 million.

nt

paying 70% of the tax means they're getting subsidized by the working class.

GODDAMN him and his fucked-up lying party to the 7th circle of hell!

Oh, if a genie gave me two wishes right now, the first would be to tattoo THIS:





On the forehead, in full TechniColor, of every LYING FUCKING ELECTED REPUBLICAN IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!


Fuck!

No country in the history of man has so privileged the upper class.

Why doesn't he just change parties and get it over with?

if the top 50% income earners pay 98% of taxes, and the bottom 51% pay 0, forcing past the fact you are overlapping 1% into both categories, that means that 2% of income taxes are coming from... people who are not in the top 50% nor the bottom 51%. Who are these people, I ask, and why cannot we raise their taxes, seeing as they do not exist and thus cannot complain?

Hello?! Some unfortunate people simply need hospitalization through no fault of their own! Don't fucking assume that all health problems are due to bad habits either!

...This would be blared 24/7 on cable news. A senior Republican is very clearly displaying his lack of concern for the less fortunate, and he receives a free pass by the corporate media.

Matthew 5:3 -- Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 6:20 -- Looking at his disciples, he said: "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

James 2:5 -- Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom he promised those who love him?

Revelation 3:17 -- You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.

the cramped and close quarters of the royal "we" closet, or from the hallucinated fairyland he imagines outside the walls of that closet where his silly pronouncements are repeated ad infinitum by highly polished empty suits of comical armor called the beltway press, that guard the farther ramparts of his closet.

the stock markets in 2000 in order to protect his home state company Netscape.

No more cap at $106,000.

Time to sharpen the guillotine, because some aristocratic necks have gotten too long...

Then go to hell and take the rest of the GOP with you.

NOW.

:(

bathes in the circulating blood volume of this horrid man.

Fucking Orrin Hatch.

"The top 1 percent of the so-called wealthy" ???? So-called???

Um they CAN'T that's why they are poor! GAWD what a fucktard! Utah SHAME ON YOU!

these things right-wingers like Hatch have revealed that their world view (their philosophy) is no better than the vilest Roman aristocrat. Hatch may call himself a Mormon but in truth he is a pagan of the worst sort as he seems to ascribe to the dictum that if it is good for him what else is there.
I am tired of all this bs. Time to wipe if off our shoes.

Either that or he's devil spawn.

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from blaming Wall Street to us. You can hear him saying 'let them eat cake'. Damn if you get the most you should pay the most. That's a problem? The difference is the least aren't bitching about it like the most are.

The numbers from 2008 show:



This is upper,middle and lower middle class groups. Not million/billionairs. If you make lower than 33K you shouldn't have to pay one red penney as far as I'm concerned. We're in the top 25% and have no problem with the bottom 50 paying little or nothing.

Middle Class--Not the Rich or the Poor--Pay Majority of Federal Taxes, Says CBO Data

Middle-class households that earned between $34,300 and $141,900 paid 50.5 percent of all federal tax revenues in 2007 and households that earned between $34,300 and $352,900 paid 66.7 percent of all federal taxes.


http://www.cnsnews.com/node/68094

Share responsibility? For him and his douchebag 'thug friends off-shoring jobs?

What an asshole.

My flock, let us pray. Turn in your Bibles to Luke 12.48

"But the one who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked."

Even the Bible says to tax the shit out of the rich! Let's see...they hate the Constitution, they hate the Bible--is there anything the Republicans claim to like, that they actually like?

...the Hatch offices to let O.H. know that the poor are already carrying a heavy burden.

Offices:

Washington DC Office

104 Hart Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Tel: (202) 224-5251
Fax: (202) 224-6331

Cedar City Office

77 N. Main Street
Suite 112
Cedar City, UT 84720
Tel: (435) 586-8435
Fax: (435) 586-2147

Ogden Office

1006 Federal Building
324 25th Street
Ogden, UT 84401
Tel: (801) 625-5672
Fax: (801) 394-4503

Provo Office

51 S. University Ave.
Suite 320
Provo, UT 84601
Tel: (801) 375-7881
Fax: (801) 374-5005

Salt Lake City Office

8402 Federal Building
125 South State Street
Salt Lake City, UT 84138
Tel: (801) 524-4380
Fax: (801) 524-4379

St. George Office

Washington County Admin. Building
196 East Tabernacle, Suite 14
St. George, UT 84770
Tel: (435) 634-1795
Fax: (435) 634-1796

Email form:

http://hatch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/email-orrin

do without their yachts, their Dom, their Prada, etc than it is for Grannie and Grandpa to do without their food, medicine, and shelter.

:sarcasm:

I been paying all my life.

This is the typical "Mormon" polical bullshit. They are always pulling this shit in Utah. Several years back orrin hatch's ass buddy Mike Leavitt changed the taxes on vehicle registration. They use to go by Vehicle value, but now they go by year or the vehicle, so some guy driving a 2010 Ford focus pays the same tax as some rich asshole with a Bently Azure. They also refused Federal money to extend unemployment benefits, But they give away billions in tax dollars to "draw" Businesses here. I just wish people here weren't so fucking stupid and vote these assholes out of office, But in Utah it doesn't matter how badly you fuck people over, As long as you are Mormon and Have a R next to you'r polical affilation.