GOP will nix bipartisan 'Gang of Six' debt proposal because Obama took credit for it, source says

Source: NY Daily News


WASHINGTON - President Obama's embrace of a bipartisan breakthrough on contentious debt talks may have doomed the deal.

Obama went out of his way to hail a $4 trillion proposal unveiled Tuesday by a bipartisan "Gang of Six" senators, calling it "a very significant step" that mirrors the balanced, pain-for-all approach he has pressed in negotiations to raise the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling and curb runaway spending.

But a high-ranking Republican aide told Politico.com that Obama's cheerleading would immediately turn off conservatives in the Republican-controlled House.

"Background guidance: The President killed any chance of its success by 1) Embracing it. 2) Hailing the fact that it increases taxes. 3) Saying it mirrors his own plan," a GOP leadership aide e-mailed to Politico's Playbook.





Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/07/20/2011-07-20_gop_will_nix_bipartisan_gang_of_six_debt_proposal_because_obama_took_credit_for_.html

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Good we don't want that deal either but for different reasons.

This kid reminds me of Repukes.

n/t

They are pretty predictable.

This gang of 6 proposal is obnoxious.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/07/20/996601/-Senate-GOP-leadership-aide:-Obama-killed-Gang-of-Six-by-embracing-it?detail=hide&via=blog_1

JUL 20, 2011 AT 08:40 AM PDT
Senate GOP leadership aide: Obama killed 'Gang of Six' by embracing it
by Jed Lewison

Mike Allen writes:

--A Senate Republican leadership aide emails with subject line “Gang of Six”: “Background guidance: The President killed any chance of its success by 1) Embracing it. 2) Hailing the fact that it increases taxes. 3) Saying it mirrors his own plan.”

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I'm not sure whether to say thank you to that leadership aide, or to say fuck you. I guess, both.


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Link to politico story Jed Lewison quotes:

http://www.politico.com/playbook/0711/playbook1485.html

DU thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x715717

"The more President Obama pushes for the $4 trillion package, the more Boehner retreats from it. The President is finally capitalizing on a phenomenon that has been obvious from the start of his presidency: if he is in favor of something, then the Republicans are opposed -- it's as simple as that. Here is the President embracing the Republicans' number, so now the Republicans must be against their own number. This -- THIS! -- is a work of strategic brilliance by the President."

-- Laurence O'Donnell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtMV44yoXZ0

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rocktivity

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No plan which does not focus on increasing revenue by tapping the top-heavy concentrations of wealth in this country, and on reduction in war spending, can be considered a serious proposal for putting federal spending into better balance with revenue. The real aim of this plan, and similar broadsides, is quite simple. The governing elite, whether in office or in the board-room, wants to welsh on its markers. It is getting to the point where the Treasury bonds held by the Social Security Trust Fund will need to be redeemed in cash. To do so, there will need to be either some reduction in spending on other items, or some increase in taxes. Neither politicians nor those who purchase politicians in wholesale lots want to do either thing. What they do want to do is continue to use the regressive pay-roll tax as a principal source of general revenue, as they have in effect been doing with the amounts collected by this levy in excess of immediate pay-outs for many decades. The F.I.C.A. tax already amounts to over a third of taxes collected against income by the Federal government. Keep the F.I.C.A. rates going up, as rates on income and capital gains are cut further for the wealthy, and as benefits for Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid are reduced, and this proportion will only increase. The aim is to produce a Federal tax system sufficiently regressive as to shock even a medieval cleric.

Grover Norquist...his control of Republicans is stronger then the oaths of office they took!!!

That's one of the President's essential problems; the information he needs to propose effective and appropriate remedies for the things that caused the Republican Derivative Crash of '08 is PRIVATE information. He can only get at it if those involved actually VOLUNTEER the details, or by inferring super-ordinate patterns from patterns in what he does know/see (which inference isn't a logical necessity, btw, so what he could propose might work or it might not).

I for one, am NEVER going to hear the word "patriotism" come out of some mouths again without thinking certain troubling things.

works for me. Just have to keep hoping it is DOA.

The GOP has warmed up to it.

Mr. Obama and Mr. Boehner have continued to talk, including at a private White House meeting Sunday that was also attended by Mr. Cantor. Both Mr. Boehner and Mr. Cantor also said positive things about the deficit plan crafted by the so-called Gang of Six, which includes three Senate Republican and three Senate Democrats.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/21/us/politics/21fiscal.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), who has emerged as the leader of this contingent, has argued against such a deal. But his views may be shifting along with those of some rank-and-file House Republicans whose imaginations have been captivated by the idea of slicing as much as $5 trillion out of the federal budget over the next decade.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/grand-bargain-on-debt-ceiling/2011/07/16/gIQAgPJpII_story.html

Regardless of the merits of the actual plan, these republicans are a miserable steaming pile of worthless assholes.

(No, not really...but if any trolls are out there, may as well have them think some of us are pissed about this so that they will go against the plan too.)

said, "We'll default because this whole thing is so fucked it needs to end."

If it weren't for the suffering and possible violence, it'd feel good to start all over. Sometimes, I wish it were possible to let it Default.

I didn't alert, but I should have.

their pathetic logic. It is good for us to learn from them. I'm sure there are smart ones around that are harder to recognize, but it's kind of fun to talk to the ones who are real transparent.

to protect the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

The current oath was enacted in 1884:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

office:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."


Nothing in there about enemies - whether they are on his secret enemies list or not.

You reminded me of Nixon's enemies list. Of course, they may not have been enemies of the country, just his.

Part of the Office of POTUS is, after all, being Commander in Chief.

Unless Obama uses the Constitution. The freshman GOP are worse than the horrible sophomore/junior/senior GOP. And that is saying ALOT, because they are horrible also.

And the Super-Rich do not want a default.

They have been betting on rising inflation and interest rates, and they need the debt crisis to realize their investment.

...while some folks may think this is a good thing that the debt deal dies, if we default, things will get seriously, seriously ugly. The Great Depression may look like a picnic by comparison.

by default than not.

There is no chance there will be a default and there never was a chance of default. Anyone thinking that has fallen for their Shock Doctrine BS.

But these SOB's are going to get us to give up more and more. I'm sure you've seen this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SonHCwpaSKc

Debt Political Theater Diverts Attention While Americans’ Wealth is Stolen -- Kucinich

And probably the one by George Carlin, about the owners will come for the social security, and we'll all agree to it. This is a game of attrition. They are trying to brainwash us into accepting having no legal protections for our environment, our people, no health care or social safety net. Just like China. That is the GOP model. I've argued with these goons before and that's what they've taught the Tea Party lemmings, that it's only way for them to get a job, etc.

What they don't tell the suckers is that it'll be for room and board if they're lucky. Of course, there are large segments of the population who aren't suffering as gravely nor as dependent on the proper action of the government to keep things in balance. They expect that they will be alright no matter what.

Anyway, go in peace there, we're on the same page, I think.

:sarcasm:

THis is serious and all of this game playing and second guessing is getting a bit much.

This proposal sucks. Maybe Obama can come out and tell the American people that he offered the Repugs the moon but they wouldn't even give up a piece of cheese. Then what?

YOu can't negotiate with Eric Cantor anymore than you can negotiate with Eric Cartman. Eric Cartman is 4th grade cartoon character. Erica Cantor is the Republican majority leader. In a sane world I wouldn't be even making the comparison.

Oh, yeah... "Got a revolution, Got to revolution!"

sick bastards.

The Bay Area CSN sportscasters are hella funny. Grab some pine, meat!

But on topic - the GOP's blind hatred for Obama make them weak and predictable.

they will vote for this then just not cut Pentagon spending but immediately implement cuts to SSI & Medicare - what they wanted all along. Bet the reduced mortgage allowance ends on the cutting floor too, these rich old men NEED the deduction for their mistresses homes and for their own mansions.

Besides, took CREDIT?

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