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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:05 PM
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Iraqi abuse report hasn't reached top U.S. brass
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N02671460.htm

WASHINGTON, May 2 (Reuters) - The top U.S. military officer was unable on Sunday to rule out wide scale abuse by U.S. forces of prisoners in Iraq and elsewhere.

Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said he had not yet seen an internal Army report, completed more than two months ago that is said to document "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. forces, including beatings and sodomy.

Asked how we could be sure that any abuses were not "systemic," Myers said: "I'm not sure of it."

He said the military was investigating throughout the region, including in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:11 PM
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1. Richard, richard I know you are busy wiht runninig the war
and all, but this is piss poor leadership...

Or as we also might call it, plausible deniability.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:13 PM
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2. MEYERS IS AN IDIOT-- and a lap dog


Gen. BLUE SUIT MEYERS puppet boy, US military catamite, appointed by Cheney Caesar in
the year of Our Lord 2001

His quotes “Duh, we are winning” and on the increased violence that flared up this month is "a
symptom of the success that we're having here in Iraq"

And "No my hand is not grabbing at her breast"

Also on the subject of Fallujah "We went in because we had to find the perpetrators and what
we found was a huge rat's nest that is still festering today. It needs to be dealt with,"
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:30 PM
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7. He is the Westmoreland of our generation
What can I say?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:33 PM
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9. Make that the Waste More Land of our generation
I have a feeling he'd LOVE TO TURN THE B- 52s LOOSE on the NEST OF RODENTS and RAGHEADS in Fallujah
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 03:54 PM
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18. You could say Westmoreland is an admirer of the unvarnished truth
and the truth is that Meyers is an idiot.
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 03:47 PM
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17. Is it just me or ...
Edited on Sun May-02-04 03:49 PM by baldearg
is it for real? Meyers has aged about 20 years since he first arrived to the regime. Meyer looks and acts very wrecked I've noticed; in fact I almost didn't recognize him. :shrug: War is hell ... :nuke:
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:14 PM
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3. This is a frequent tactic with these killers. I heard Condi do the same.
And Rummy does it all the time. Don't read the paper, don't watch TV, don't read your own reports so that when people ask you about it you have nothing to say.

I mean, Gen. Myers, COME ON! You go on at least 2 morning talk shows after the 60 MIN II reports Wednesday night, the Sy Hersch article in the New Yorker, and YOUR OWN report that was concluded in February. You haven't read it?

Do you have any plans to read it or are you waiting for December?
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:18 PM
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4. Why, and just earlier he assured everyone with, and I quote:
Top U.S. military officer Gen. Richard Myers said Sunday there is no widespread pattern of abuse of Iraqi prisoners and that the actions of "just a handful" of U.S. troops at a Baghdad prison have unfairly tainted all American forces.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=542&e=2&u=/ap/20040502...

I guess the idea that the only abuse that occured was the abuse that was documented with videos and photographs in the public domain became a little to hard to swallow. :shrug:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:26 PM
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5. HE'S IN DENIAL LIKE SOME IDIOTS HERE AT DU
WHO DEFENDED EARLIER WAR CRIMES

Ya you JERKS read your sorry comments FROM LAST OCTOBER

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=192572#193487
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 03:22 PM
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14. Very interesting thread, saigon.
You and a few others were quite passionate in that fight (I mean on the thread), and I agreed with you. Nice job.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 03:33 PM
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16. Forgiving a human reaction of "denial" would be a uniting act.
There are those who cannot handle "Full Metal Jacket", okay.

Don't get me wrong. A sifting process of fundamental values will occur. Just, please,...don't "sift" out the betrayed or confused or (now) disillusioned,...who had good and whole hearts shit upon.

Please, don't reject people for "being" human,...unless you want to be as disenchanting as those who disenchant you.

Please.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:29 PM
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6. Oh BULLSH*T!!! This was not an unknown unknown!!!
These responsibility-evasive people make me sizzling mad!

:grr: :grr:
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:32 PM
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8. how come Sy Hersch has got it before them?
did someone fear it would be covered up? Did someone leak it too stem the tide of world-wide outrage?
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:35 PM
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10. Exactly Fish---whover leaked it knew that
If it hadn't been leaked Meyers wouldn't even have used it to wipe his ass.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:47 PM
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11. Remember Myers is another one who sat on his hands on 9-11
pretending he didn't have a care in the world, until the operation was over and it was too late to prevent the planes from reaching their targets. If you can sit and watch 1000's of your own countrymen die, then it's easy to turn a blind eye, when it's happening to the people you want to destroy anyway.
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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:52 PM
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12. He gave word not to be disturbed
as he met with a Senator (Cleland?) on Capitol Hill. No beeper, no cell phone, and apparently no one with a clue that this might be something to disturb him over.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 01:57 PM
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13. That was after he saw the images of the first tower burning on TV
Oh ho-hum, no big deal. Don't bother me in my meeting because I can't react until all the planes have hit their targets. Ho-hum...
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 03:27 PM
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15. One plane was prevented -- according to eye witness on Sterns show
Edited on Sun May-02-04 03:27 PM by Iceburg
here's the audio from clip April 21
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/april2004/042104flight93.htm


That incident aside, my liedar went off several times this morning as I watched Myers on MTP
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