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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:55 AM
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New teeth 'could soon be grown'
Technology to grow replacement teeth could mean the end of dentures.

Scientists at King's College London have been awarded £500,000 to help them develop human teeth from stem cells.

The company Odontis, set up by the college, hopes to develop its research for tests on humans within two years after successful research on mice.

Stem cells, the so-called master cells, would be programmed to develop into teeth and then transplanted into the patient's jaw where the gap is.

More: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3679313.stm

The rest of the world continues to pursue what * decreed our scientists can't. Scientific innovation continues its stagnation under the reign of the BFEE.
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mn9driver Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:59 AM
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1. We can all travel overseas in 20 years
to get medical treatments that work, but have been outlawed here by Shrub and his successors.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:12 AM
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3. well we'll have to anyway
American dentists are thieves, sorry if any are reading this, but they greatly overcharge. I know lots of people who get their dental work, crowns, implants, etc. done in Mexico, hell, I've done it myself. We were telephoned to give a reference for our dentist the other day, and the prospective patient said that in Alaska his dentist wanted to charge him $4,000 per crown! Yikes! I thought the price-rigging in the U.S. south was criminal.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:27 AM
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6. HEY, Stick it where the sun don't shine pal!
Edited on Mon May-03-04 09:38 AM by Mika
I'm a dentist. You called me a thief?

Do Mexican doctors pay $40,000 in malpractice insurance? Do Mexican doctors have the exorbitant rents for offices that are zoned specifically for medical offices like the USA? Do Mexican doctors have to lure professional staff with high cost benefits and high payroll taxes?

The average cost of running a dental office in large US cities is around $650 per hour. High quality DDS's in small personal practices do not make oodles of money.

While charging $4,000 for a single tooth is expensive, it certainly doesn't call for all of us to be labeled "thieves". There are extenuating medical considerations that have to be taken into account. Did your friend need an extraction (usually in an oral surgeon's office) or have an infection, then an implant (at a surgical implantologist office), then a crown? If so, $4000 is not unreasonable.

Its the entire system that has run up the prices - don't blame the bearer of bad news.


I do believe that you owe an apology for that blanket statement condemning all of the hard working professional DDS's out there.

When was the last time you got emergency calls from patients on a Saturday or Sunday night, irrespective of birthdays, holidays, etc - to go into your office in the dead of night to do emergency treatments?

That's what I do, and I resent being called a thief.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 10:37 AM
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17. Happy thoughts, happy thoughts....

Didn't I hear somewhere that dentists have one of the higher suicide rates among medical professionals?

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/010420.html
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:08 AM
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20. What the heck are you trying to imply, krkaufman, with that reply? (nt)
Edited on Mon May-03-04 11:08 AM by w4rma
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 07:07 PM
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35. Nothing untoward
My post was meant to communicate that slack needs to be cut, 'cause it is quite possible that a dentist's life is not as rosy and overflowing with money as earlier posts might indicate.

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Ratty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:14 PM
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26. Oh Boy! A DENTIST!
Okay, you can tell us. Is it true that the Soviet Union and the United States both developed a successful vaccine against caries but it was suppressed by Dentists? C'mon, give us the truth. We won't tell anybody!
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mistertrickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 02:01 PM
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28. Right on, Mika--I'm not a dentist, but all you folks complaining about
high costs, do you want to go to a CHEAP dentist?

I don't, anymore than I want to go to a cheap brain surgeon.

The funny thing is that if you go to the dentist on a regular basis, you usually can avoid the big ticket crowns and dentures.

It kills me how somebody will shell out 6,000 dollars more to get a car with the V-6 engine instead of the model with the four-banger, but "4,000 dollars for dental work--oh shit, they're theives."

Keep the car, give me decent health.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 12:35 PM
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24. unfortunately
if you don't have dental insurance, you WILL pay more. all dentists are not thieves. my dentist is supposed to be charging me more for my crowns (i have insurance), but he takes payment in full. he's a great dentist - they ARE out there, you just have to look!
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:59 AM
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2. Can they grow a backbone?
I know a bunch of folks in the current administration who could use one.
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 10:37 AM
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16. and gonads, too. n/t
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:14 AM
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4. It'll only cost about $40,000 per tooth
Until it becomes popular, then the price will drop to around $20,000 per tooth.

The rest of us can eat cake.
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demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:16 AM
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5. The cost should not be more than the price of synthetic implants
The cost should not be more than the price of synthetic implants of between £1,500 - £2,000.

As stated in the article.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:32 AM
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8. That's in the UK
American medical/dental costs are based on a completely different model.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:30 AM
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7. Yes, it'll be one more medical procedure
that the vast majority of people can't afford, and that insurance cos. will find one more way of weaseling out of paying.
It sounds great, but....
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:37 AM
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9. Don't count on big sales in Freeperville. n/t
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:39 AM
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10. I knew a man that allegedly lost all his teeth in World War II
Accordingly, his friends including me witnessed his new set of teeth.

I met the man, Joe Stoker, in 1969. After Joe had grown new teeth. The joke could have been on me, I don't know?

I don't think all those folks were lying.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:47 AM
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11. It could very well be possible
After all, that is what wisdom teeth were designed for, replacements. Wisdom teeth came late in life, and being as that we haven't had dentists for most of human existence, a large portion of out regular teeth would normally have come out by the time wisdom teeth grew in. And regrow in, if one became old enough. However, with the advent of modern dentistry, wisdom teeth have become more of pain than anything else, and are now normally extracted.

Luckily, my mouth is large enough that my wisdom teeth came in normally, and while my upper right wisdom tooth has fallen out in the intervening quarter century, it has always grown back.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:23 AM
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21. I wonder if,
instead of synthetically growing replacement teeth, there is a way to convince the body to grow the teeth back itself?

Who knows- maybe in ten or fifteen years there will be a treatment to grow back one's teeth right in your own mouth.
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 09:48 AM
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12. Unless this is one of the 78 ES cell lines exempted
by *'s dipshit policies. I wonder if his politicization of science won't end up being the policy that kills the most people on this planet.
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 10:31 AM
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13. England
doesn't have to worry about Freeper science policies.
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 10:34 AM
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15. Yeah, I know. I was responding to the poster's * comments.
Edited on Mon May-03-04 10:35 AM by Donkeyboy75
See the last sentence of the original post.
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 10:43 AM
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18. oops, you're right
sorry about that!

:evilgrin:
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 10:44 AM
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19. No problem
:hi:
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 02:00 PM
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27. Five bucks says that doesn't matter.
It's highly unlikely that the stem cells involved are affected by the rule (yes, I read the rest of the posts & know we're talking about England here) even if it WAS in the US. That rule affects fetal stem cells... virtualy all usefull research at this point has been the result of ADULT stem cell research - which is obviously not "tainted" by the source of the cells.
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 02:10 PM
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29. Actually, these ARE embryonic stem cells.
"Master cells" are another name for these cell lines. Adult stems cells are much harder to work with and get consistent results because of the high batch-to-batch variation, among other factors.
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 03:30 PM
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31. "Master cells" does not imply embryonic stem cells.
Adult stem cells are refered to the same way.

And I'll say it again, perhaps it's only because we haven't been working with embryonic cells as long, but virtually ALL valuable results produced so far have been adult stem cells.
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Donkeyboy75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 03:42 PM
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32. My bad. You're right about the master cells.
And the reason you cited is what I would think is the reason we've only seen results with adult stem cells. First embryonic stem cell isolation was in 1998, I believe?
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 03:50 PM
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33. There's no mention of embryonic stem cells in the article.
Most stems cells come from adults.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 10:32 AM
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14. See this parallel LBN thread...
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swinney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:25 AM
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22. New teeth. Please hurry
80 yrs old and I want a rush job
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 12:28 PM
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23. Perhaps we'll soon see a revised version of ...
The Big Book of British Smiles.:7
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Ratty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:12 PM
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25. Whee! No more dental flossing for me!
By the time my teeth fallout I can go to the store and buy a brand new set!
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 03:19 PM
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30. That's so funny!
But you should know that if you don't floss, you could get gum disease which could lead to bone loss.

What would they implant your new teeth into then?
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 06:32 PM
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34. Bone grafts and kevlar flaps
That's one of the expensive procedures sometimes involved when there is too much bone loss to support an implant supported restoration. Its as common as day in these times.

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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 07:16 PM
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36. Freepers Rejoice!!!! n/t
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