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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 07:31 AM
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Bush seeks Arab understanding after Iraq abuse
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LAD540136.htm

BAGHDAD, May 5 (Reuters) - President George W. Bush on Wednesday took personal command of efforts to counter a backlash in the Arab world to U.S. soldiers murdering and abusing Iraqis in what was once Saddam Hussein's most notorious jail.

After the U.S. army revealed Americans killed at least two Iraqi prisoners, Bush was to give interviews on Arab television to condemn "shameful and unacceptable" behaviour. A top ally said the scandal could undermine Bush's entire project in Iraq.

A further 10 deaths were being investigated, the army said, a week after the publication of photographs showing laughing soldiers abusing naked detainees. The pictures sparked worldwide outrage and a hasty damage-limitation exercise in Washington, where official inquiries into the allegations began in January.

"It is a complete breakdown in discipline," Army Vice Chief of Staff General George Casey said after briefing senators.

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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 07:34 AM
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1. Bush wants understanding......
Assume the position...

Its an eye for an eye over there
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 07:35 AM
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2. it could undermine Bush's entire project in Iraq?
Yeah, like it was going so well over there before this happened.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 07:36 AM
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3. They understand quite well already, I'm sure.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 07:45 AM
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6. Yes, they do. THAT is *Bush's real problem!
Now as soon as more folks in this country understand, we'll be onto something!
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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 07:41 AM
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4. Breakdown in discipline?
Or were they actually following the orders down to the smallest and most meticulous detail of the "interrogation techniques" thought to be most effective by their military intelligence and private contractor overlords?

I am tired of the "spooks" being above and/or outside the law. We will never have anything approaching peace on this planet as these private, unaccountable armies continue to grow. In fact, we will descend back into a new Dark Age.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:16 AM
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12. Hear! Hear!
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:20 AM
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14. Oh, man,...that is sooooo true,...
,...the private perps have GOT to go!!! We simply cannot sponsor lawless actors (another word for criminals) whose job has always been strictly within our own definition of "terrorism". That shit MUST end!!!

:grr:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:32 AM
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16. There's no reasonable doubt they "got with the program".
Edited on Wed May-05-04 08:39 AM by TahitiNut
None whatsoever. Those mercs and spooks were 'connected' (drinking buddies and dinner companions) to the politically-connected command staff. Wolfowitz was there (at Abu Ghraib) in June 2003, making sure the "program" was in place. Rumsfeld was there in September 2003, lighting fires under butts to get better results from the interrogations. Gotta find Saddam, you see. :eyes: (Never mind that absolutely nothing of value comes from these interrogation techniques.)

This was an OSP program, without any question. The "problem" was letting the photos out. There's just about nobody more compliant than military people in a war zone. The last thing they want is to get Serpico'd (hung out to dry or fragged). That's what happens to boat-rockers.
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SEpatriot Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 07:45 AM
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5. Let the investigation begin....
Understanding? GW is now the Arab poster boy for Al Queda recruitment.

A full-blown congressional investigation needs to be had in order to get to the (very embarrassing to the W) bottom of this mess. Then, the liars in the administration will have to confront the facts that mercs and shadow operatives were giving orders and conducting "interrogations" in violation of the Geneva convention.

Oh, and maybe they can send Eliot Abrams and John Negroponte to lie for them at the hearings.
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:01 AM
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7. I think the Arab World understands quite well, but thanks anyway George.
You invaded another country under false pretenses, killed 10,000s and now your privatized armies have been outed as the war criminals they are. There - that'll save you some time.
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:06 AM
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8. Understanding??? I'll give you some understanding.
The very day President Crooked is giving a stump speech about how there are now no more "rape rooms" in Iraq, the media is releasing a story of one woman prisoner who may have been "engaged in sexual conduct". Their words, not mine. It is rape when a prisoner is engaged with captors no matter which words they choose to use. So how's that for that for understanding Mister President? Or are you just plain stupid?
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:18 AM
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13. Now now. To be technical, he said there were no more "Saddam" rape rooms..
He never said there are no more rape rooms. :puke:
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:09 AM
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9. George the abuse is no big deal
You blew their brains out, bomb their homes, stole their country and a little abuse is reason to publicly assure them everthing is going o.k.?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:09 AM
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10. so when are these interviews?
i haven't been abLe to teLL when they're happening? today?
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:10 AM
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11. Extraordinary PR effort
is the best sign of finally realizing they pushed the Arab consciousness of what we are doing to them in general much too far. So things must be getting very interesting out there.

Sure they want lots of terrorists and Muslims to beat up on(figuratively then militarily) but they may have bitten off too much of the Muslim world- namely ALL of it.

Finally, the secret conduct of the sordid PNAC agenda cannot be ignored or sloughed off with pretended ignorance and coverups. Even Congress has been asked to swallow too much- and publicly.

Arabs? There has been a lot of shame and humiliation to go around to every single human being below the top of the Bushco pyramid. With the hypocrisy and the "not knowing" stripped away i hope they fell an awful lot of pain and anger.

It will absolutely not change the flow of this garbage from the top one bit unless Bush is actually removed from office.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:22 AM
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15. He'll offer 'em membership in Skull 'n' Bones.
... and just call it an initiation. :eyes:
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 09:53 AM
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17. Smallman bush said....
We came there....to free the people of Iraq. My English teacher would have given me a big fat F. 'We went there,' you stupid fok.

Rumbutt, yesterday read a notesaying we're invetigating..etc. He read it so fast, you couldn't understand what the fok the fok was saying. So shameful that he had to read from notes, when he should have spoken from his conscience and humanity.
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heidler Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 10:49 AM
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18. If the prison guards are confused by this pretense of trying to be buddy
buddy with the Iraqi people one minute and bombing their homes the next, we are not alone in realizing this inconsistency. Bush's policies don't make sense within the context of his stated goals. This gross inconsistency will never win the Iraqi people over. I'm sure that what will happen is stepped up deaths of our soldiers so the Iraqi people can accelerate our going home and going home is the only good that will come of this.
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