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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 12:48 AM
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Bush's rating down in Michigan poll
Bush's rating down in Michigan poll

August 6, 2003

ASSOCIATED PRESS

LANSING -- Despite a recent visit to Michigan, President George W. Bush's approval rating has dropped somewhat among state voters, who remain worried about the economy, a new poll shows.

Fifty-three percent of the 600 likely voters polled gave Bush a favorable rating, while 42 percent gave him an unfavorable rating, and 5 percent were undecided. The poll was conducted from July 29 through Monday.

Sixty percent had given him a favorable rating and 37 percent had given him an unfavorable rating in a June 17-23 poll by the same polling firm, Lansing-based EPIC/MRA. Both polls had an error margin of 4 percentage points.

The recent poll also showed that the economy and loss of jobs was the greatest concern of Michiganders. Thirty percent cited it as their top issue.

Gov. Jennifer Granholm's job rating rose slightly in the past six weeks as she and lawmakers wrapped up work on the budget for the upcoming fiscal year, the poll showed. (snip/...)

http://www.freep.com/news/politics/ebush6_20030806.htm

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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 12:55 AM
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1. Awesome
I live in Michigan and I LOVE Jennifer Granholm. We finally have a good governer after 12 years of John Engler HELL. Jennifer is very popular here and she stands up for Democrats! She attending fundraisers for Gay Pride and I believe attended the parade herself and she is now on a campaign for tighter restrictions on lead based paint that is dangerous to children. I just wish she could have been elected into a better economy.
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jenk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 12:57 AM
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2. well that's good news, michigan might be close in 2004
I'd like to see what his ratings are in Iowa and Wisconsin
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 01:01 AM
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3. Yes
It will most certainly be close. In the last election Jennifer was a clear Liberal pitted against a clear conservative and I believe she only won with 51% of the vote. In the final days of the campaign the Republicans hammere dher in commercials on support of gay rights, progressive taxation, abortion, reperations for slavery, ect. ending all the commercials with "she's liberal she's extreme...Jennifer Granholm-just too liberal for Michigan". I was overjoyed when the "liberal extremist" defeated them :evilgrin:
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HungryLoser Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 01:34 AM
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8. I thought the term was "Liberal Traitor"?
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 09:49 AM
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22. Actually it was 52%
to 47% for Postumus. But that's splitting hairs. I'm a fan of hers too although I liked Bonnior--the more liberal the better. Jennifer is pretty centrist--I don't know if I'd describe her as a liberal. And she really inherited a mess from that asshole Engler. Let's hope she can turn the state around.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 01:03 AM
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4. Arab community in Dearborn, MI, fell over themselves for shrub
in 2000...thrilled as shrub appointed one of their own to head the Department of Energy....NOW, they find out that shrub actually hates them, targets them for searches and arrests, deportations, and the full impact of the U.S.A.P.A.T.R.I.O.T Act...they must feel really duped now...

(Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT ACT) Act of 2001)

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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 01:07 AM
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6. We have a lot of work to do with the Arab community
They percieve us as being bad on businesses and they are social conservatives. I think the Democrats can appeal to them by highlighting the civil rights Bush/Ashcroft have stolen from them, but thats only if our own candidates denounce those violations. Also I think that the community would strongly support hate crimes legislation, worker protection and Affirmative Action.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 07:28 PM
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30. A major area should be Oakland County
It's a regular hotbed of repukes. We have to keep pointing out the mis-administrations failures, lies and hypocracy. If Democrats would just let go of the gun control issue we could turn it around. Plus I just read somewhere that Mich Sec of State turned down the touch screen voting system so we have a much better chance of having an honest election.

I think many repukes are on the verge of turning. I've converted 5 so far. But the one I want most is the co-worker that shouted me down in the break room telling me not to criticize his president during the war. He will be mine, oh yes! He will be mine! Muuuuuhahahahahahaha!

(thats my evil laugh):crazy:
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Sirius_on Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 07:31 PM
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31. Many Arabs are big on business
Condemn big business or talk about taxing the rich and they are a lost cause. Many Arabs in metro Detroit are very wealthy...very good business sence people.
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I Lean Left Donating Member (487 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 10:36 PM
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34. That's only part of it
They mostly perceive us as being in league with Israel. The widespread support of the Dem party by the Jewish community naturally pushes them to the Pukes.

That said, I think they are now scared of the Pukes, who go around using words like 'crusades' and talk in apocalyptic terms.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 01:34 AM
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7. Those Muslim voters are gone...except for the wired Iraqi nationals.
Non-Iraqi Muslim Arabs are moving to the Dems.

Issues with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

It's the same damned thing we're fighting for.

Welcome!
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 01:06 PM
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27. unless a candidate like Lieberman...
is the nominee, it's clear that the large majority of Muslim and Arab Americans will vote Democratic or possibly Green.
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SyracuseDemocrat Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 02:14 PM
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28. True!
Edited on Wed Aug-06-03 02:14 PM by SyracuseDemocrat
But Spencer Abraham was never one of "their kind", as Sharpton likes to say about Clarence Thomas. Spencer Abraham was a greedy corporate whore with an obvious eating problem; I was elated when he lost.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 01:06 AM
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5. Michigan will be tough for * in 2004
He will surely lose many Arab/Muslim votes that he won in 2000 because of civil liberties issues (unless Lieberman is somehow nominated). The unions will be out in full force (UAW workers have the day off on election day) and black turnout will be high. Even if * wins Macomb and Oakland Counties Michigan will be a reach. With Dean as the nominee, Democrats will also win back many of the votes they lost in northern Michigan because of guns.
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5thGenDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 02:17 AM
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10. MI voted no to Bush in both the 2000 primary and general election
Edited on Wed Aug-06-03 02:22 AM by 5thGenDemocrat
And he hasn't gotten any more popular since. Michigan will come through for the Dems in '04 -- count on it.
John
Been here my whole life. I know this state and its people and most of us think Bush sucks.
ON EDIT: EPIC/MRA skews Republican. Take about three to five more points off *'s popularity ratings.
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HungryLoser Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 01:37 AM
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9. I'm working on making a few more converts,
it's been getting easier lately.
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 02:21 AM
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11. Damn I love my home state !
Goooooo Michiganders !!
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 02:27 AM
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12. Should Be Much Lower Than That!
Bush is the worst President in American history!
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 02:56 AM
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13. GOOD!!!
Can not say it emphatically enough.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 03:27 AM
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14. FAUX POLL - re-select Bush? 36%
Bush re-selection

FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. July 29-30, 2003. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"Considering how President Bush has performed so far, do you think he deserves to be reelected or would the country probably be better off with someone else as president?"

7/03
Deserves Reelection 47%
Someone Else 40%
Depends 8%
Not Sure 5%

8/01 Deserves Reelection 36%
Someone Else 42%
Depends 13%
Not Sure 9%

...................................

This means keep an eye out for an increase in terra-lerts

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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 10:11 AM
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24. That 36 percent is from August 2001
before 9/11. BTW, I'm thrilled about these Michigan numbers. His disapproval rating being 42 percent and climbing is great news.
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Lost_Stash_Of_Dubya Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 03:34 AM
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15. Translation:
53% of Michiganders are total idiots, and would benefit from full frontal lobotomies.
5% are just dumb, and need only partial lobotomies.
42% show faint signs of intelligence or perhaps merely a lack of idiocy.

I'm from MI, and in my area, it's nearly all rednecks driving trucks plastered with bumperstickers touting God, Dubya, and WAR (Rednecks have a particular fondness for WAR, second only to their love for trucks).

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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 06:00 AM
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17. Yep...Its like that here too
WalMartians, and frazzled flags on trucks where I live in MI..
Luckily, we have NOW got a DEM party started up in our usually Repug Van Buren County...in our small town...
and more people are showing UP for the DEM meetings every week....
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 09:33 AM
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18. GO Michigan....the Unions will pull out the Democratic vote...
and convert lots of those reTHUGlicans, once they realize that their JOBS are gone....

keep up the good work...everybody should be working on Democratic meetings in THEIR towns...start NOW, to save your lives and those of your children.....just sign up on any Democratic web site to keep up on the news and start organizing YOUR community...make new friends, meet new people, make a BIG difference, SAVE our young men's lives by preventing bush* draft....


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http://www.dccc.org/


Re-Defeat bush*
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 06:28 PM
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29. Hi Lost_Stash_Of_Dubya!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Sirius_on Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 11:23 PM
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35. You arent from Ann Arbor then
Ann Arbor has few rednecks.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 04:10 AM
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16. That's what BuShit get's for desecrating the flag with his evil pen.
n/t
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 09:40 AM
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19. Boy they like to keep that "53". This shows how rigged they are!!!
I'm sure it is more like 23%
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 09:44 AM
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20. It's bad here in Michigan
Poor Granholm is busting her ass to improve things, but Engler left behind so many piles of steaming horseshit for her to clean up. The policies of the Bush administration are strangling states like ours.

My dh and I are getting $400 from the government later this month for that child tax credit thingamajig, but whoop-ti-doo, my property taxes have gone sky high here locally! Groceries and gas are up. Our medical and dental copays have gone up (but at least we're covered). The $400 won't begin to cover the cost of living increase here in Michigan. My husband makes good money, yet these days we're suffering and scraping like we did when we were newlyweds. We were doing great financially when Clinton was in office. When Bush took over and started raping the economy, my position with my company was eliminated. All the companies around here are in a hiring freeze. But as bad as it is at my house, I can't even imagine what folks who are not making good money are having to endure.

Bush will not carry Michigan, and you can take that to the bank (but you can't buy groceries with it....)

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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 10:56 AM
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26. Patsified, you could buy groceries with that
Here is why, with Bush out of office we will be employed and have a little spending money. That buys groceries,not directly but it facillitates such actions. Good morning and how are you today?
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 07:38 PM
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32. I think a lot of people are feeling the pinch
And I can tell you what a lot of people are doing. I've taken 3 of my relatives in the last year. They have jobs., but cant make enough to live on their own. My husbands became disabled in 2002 and even though I have a good job I had to file bankrupcy. We are just beginning to recover financially, but if I'm terminated from my IT job we'll be out on the strets in a matter of months.
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Lost_Stash_Of_Dubya Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 07:44 PM
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33. Granholm is great
I'm glad she displaced that sac of shit Engler we had for Governor. I still remember when he won, I was working at a mental health hospital and it was one of the few that wasn't closed in the state. Engler booted thousands of mentally ill patients onto the street soon after becoming governor, and I can never forgive him for such a cruel, callous act.

Things are so bad in Michigan that in Benton Harbor blacks recently RIOTED. I think it's the culmination of several terms under that sick fsck Engler, and now the recession under Dubya. Very sad to see this country coming apart at the seams now that Clinton is out of power.

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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 09:48 AM
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21. Still depressing news
How can 53 percent of people give him a favorable rating in this economy and with one foriegn relations disaster after another? So, does this mean if things get slightly better than awful he will zoom up to 60%?

What has happened to America?
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 09:56 AM
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23. Simple
The polls lie. They can announce whatever numbers they want. It's all a big lie. And how can anyone call them on it? I've met meybe 4 people who think Der Shrubber is doing a decent job. And they're raving right-wing nuts. All the moderates I've spoken to about him think he's terrible.

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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 10:53 AM
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25. As long as Detroiters get out to vote like they did in 2000....
I still lived in the city in 2000 and I always vote on my way in to work, right after the polls open. Usually, there'd be 2 or 3 people before me in line and no more than 10 people voting. In 2000, there were 20 people, and lots of young black men voting, which I had not noticed in the previous 11 years I'd lived and voted there. Detroit had such a high turnout in 2000 that people were still waiting to vote when the polls closed. Detroiter's need to know just how much their vote counts in Michigan and continue to keep voting in large numbers. Even if population has dropped off, it's still the largest city in Michigan and has the potential votes to determine a state wide election.
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