Spain says US Lawyer prints don't match up

The recent arrest of Mayfield by the Gestapo in Oregon doesn't have much basis in fact except maybe that he is a convert to ISLAM.

The newspaper El Pais reported Saturday that Spanish investigators have serious doubts as to whether the print is Mayfield's. They have no record of him traveling to Spain recently, and experts found only eight points of similarity between the print and the one of Mayfield held in U.S. files because of his status as a former member of the Army. The FBI said it found 15 such points, El Pais said.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040508/ap_on_re_eu/spain_bombings&cid=518&ncid=716

Lock him up and find him guilty in the press. Just don't think about them naked pictures no more dammit.

Don

he tells us where the WMD are.

at alt.true-crime, and as I recall even at 8 or 15..that's not very many.

I found this elementary website for those interested.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/forensics/fingerprints/4.html?sect=21


To make a match, an unknown print is examined against prints that have been identified as belonging to a certain person. The expert is looking for clear points of comparison. According to David Fisher in Hard Evidence, there may be as many as three hundred possible points of comparison on a single fingertip. While no minimum number has been established nationwide to say with certainty the origin of the unknown print, the more points of comparison the better. It takes only one dissimilar point to nix a match between the known and questioned samples.

an 'outspoken critic of President(sic) Bush.' Let's see ... Bush critic, some hincty ties to insurgency in Spain, and a big mess they'd like to have something to distract a significant portion of the proletariat from ... it's a trifecta!

away from the criminal actions of the gov't.

the new Spanish government declined the FBI's meddling offer of assistance.

If Canada sees a similar atrocity during our upcoming election, I hope our government has the courage to make a similar decision.

the obvious criminal act here------living as a muslim. I guess the government just can't wrap their heads around the fact that people that live here actually have the freedom of religeon. Look at what happend to James Yee the military chaplin, his life and career are in ruins thanks to Ashcroft and the assholes that voted for the patriot act.

prisoners were suffering, and perhaps wrote about it. Did they prosecute him in an effort shut him up? Bet we'll hear more on this.

And I don't mean just the fact that he is a convert to Islam. He's an outspoken opponent of this administration's policies. The big question now is will they release him since they have no credible evidence, or will they declare him and "enemy combatant" and disappear him?

would suddenly find a stooge...wonder if it wasn't a white US extremist and they thought they would palm it off on a white Muslim first. It certainly makes no sense that Muslims bombed the train, because Spain had backed off from the immoral warring against Muslims. Far more likely to be persons who held right wing American-style beliefs.

He had aspirations of guilty fingerprints. He was thinking about developing fingerprint programs that would place his prints on evidence.

In fact, he had balsa wood gliders that would deliver his fingerprints to anywhere in Spain within 15 minutes.

Clearly, this was preventative. And we're bringing freedom to the people of Portland. No more rape rooms and all of that.

The problem here in Portland is Enron terrorism. Enron owns the electric utility here in Portland. We have some of the highest rates on the West Coast since Enron took over PGE. We're terrorized every time we have to open our electric bills.

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hmmmm - Murikkan "intelligence" taking another hit?

and, where ARE them pesky WMD's ?

and, how come the Spanish are arresting guys left and right over 3/11

and the US after Billions of dollars, tens of thousands of deaths, aren't making arrests over 9/11 ??

OH - silly me, :silly:

they didn't WANT to find the guys for 9/11

I mean, if they'd arrested the guys for 9/11 right quickly,

they wouldn't have had the excuses for all these wars!

And gawd knows they love their wars - -

(sigh)

...the Oregon "terrorists" is fishy. The poster above is correct. Something's going on at a much deeper level, and it smells of intimidation and gestapo tactics.

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There IS history of ties with Hitler in the Bushies past . . read on



“Bush - Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951” - Federal Documents

By John Buchanan and Stacey Michael
from The New Hampshire Gazette Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003

After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.

Furthermore, the records show that Bush and his colleagues routinely attempted to conceal their activities from government investigators.

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And almost half the USA wants to RE-ELECT Bush?

Be afraid -

Be VERY afraid

There been other episodes of matches when the suspect couldn't have done it. For me the idea of him being involved without a proveable trip to Spain was ludicrous.

PORTLAND, ORE. - A Canadian man who was taken prisoner by American forces in Iraq last year is suing the U.S. army for $350,000 US because he claims he was tortured.

Hossam Shaltout, 57, says he was taken to the Camp Bucca detention centre shortly after the invasion began in March 2003. There, he claims to have been beaten, and saw other prisoners being abused.
Born in Egypt, Shaltout moved to Canada in 1971 and became a citizen. He later moved to Los Angeles, where he has a business distributing U.S.-made global positioning devices in Saudi Arabia.

When he was released by the army, he was taken to Egypt, he claims.

His lawyer, Thomas Nelson of Portland, Ore., said a suit detailing the allegations was filed with U.S. Army Claims Office on April 30.

In his statement of claim, Shaltout says he went to Iraq to work for a group called Rights and Freedom International. He claims he was arrested on April 9, 2003 and accused of being a speech writer for Saddam Hussein.

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http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/05/04/cdn_iraq_suit040504

Bayfield is one of the lawers working on the case with Nelson.
Some bastard has fed his fingerprint to the Spanish authorities.

You are quite sure Hoover snuffed it, aren't you ??

The Kubark report on interrogation tecniques says that it is worth while taking the time to go for the full 'conversion' of an interrogatee because there is a problem with ex-interrogatees going to the press, etc, complaining about their treatment. This is embarressing and causes fallout politically, and for the intelligence community.

This report is written in 1963 and it is a common problem then, so the deduction would be that the intelligence community would have a department somewhere, solely for dealing with these cases of dis-gruntled 'ex-guests' of the interrogation process.

They would have probably have worked out a range of strategies for dealing with these awkward cases. Going after the lawyers seems to be one of them. Personally for $350,000 I would have just paid up, which is probably another of their strategies, maybe the department is over budget.

I would tend to suggest that there are other cases of this sort of thing out there somewhere.

...to cover some other truth about it???

I still want to hear more about why they arrested an Indian with a Hindu name (with the press noting that he was Hindu) on the first day, and then refused to give any details about him after day one, yet they continued to give details about the others.

that there were doubts and it was inconclusive that the fingerprint belonged to Mayfield. Of course the news outlets went with the US 'official' rendition. Mr. Mayfield was not granted his Constitutional rights like so many others who have been denied their rights under the protection of the Constitution of the United States of America. Unbelievable that this could happen in a country that touts freedom and democracy. Bush and his cohorts have brought the US to the lowest point in it's history. The US is bankrupt of the ideals we were led to believe would always exist.

We all know by now there are essentially no limits to how long the gov't can detain someone who's body odor or fashion sense displeases them, screw habaeus corpus. So, let's start the betting.

My guess is he'll be released on May 16, to hit the underviewed weekend newscasts. Double down for the bushistas to simultaneously launch another liberty offensive in Falluja or Najaf to add distraction points.

i think he was probably arrested to send a very chilling message to attorneys who might have ideas about defending people charged with turrism here in the u.s.a. and my gut tells me we'll see an upswing in amurkans charged with turrism in the next few months.

after all, we have to show the public how imprudent it would be to change horses in mid-stream.

This would have exploded in junior face if true.

Funny how things changed suddenly!! in junior's favor??

against uppity lawyers almost immediately after 9/11. There must actually be a number of cases like this floating around by now. It might be interesting to try to compile a list.