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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:33 PM
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Details About Deaths of Prisoners in U.S. Custody in Iraq, Afghanistan
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAVJO0ZZTD.html

WASHINGTON (AP) - They were shot during riots and while trying to escape. One passed out during an interrogation and died.


Some of the deaths of prisoners in U.S. custody in Iraq and Afghanistan have been ruled homicides. Others were attributed to natural causes. Many of the case are unexplained.

Army officials say they are looking into at least 25 prisoner deaths since December 2002.

Army Provost Marshal Maj. Gen. Donald Ryder said last week that 12 deaths were the result of natural or undetermined causes, 10 were under investigation and three were classified as homicides.

One of those homicides was considered a justified shooting of an escaping prisoner. A second was a case of excessive force; the soldier was demoted and discharged.

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Rebel_with_a_cause Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:38 PM
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1. The Senate hearings mentioned that the Afghan prisoners weren't
subject to the Geneva Convention, but Rumsfeld said Bush had said they were.

I'm still not clear on that technicality.
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Vitruvius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:42 PM
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2. "Shot while trying to escape" was an old Nazi excuse
Edited on Sat May-08-04 01:44 PM by Vitruvius
for murdering our POWs. Nobody (outside Nazi Germany) believed that excuse then, nobody (outside Bu$h's US) believes that excuse now.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:43 PM
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3. "The chick got in the way."
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:53 PM
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4. Yes, I remember that remark
Thanks for helping connect the dots.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:56 PM
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5. GAAAHHH!!! What about the 3000+ massacred in Afghanistan?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:17 PM
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6. this is the incident from the ABC story
Edited on Sat May-08-04 04:20 PM by maddezmom
~snip~
-Camp Whitehorse, near Nasiriyah, Iraq, June 2003: Marine Corps Lance Cpl. Christian Hernandez, a reservist, grabs detainee Nagem Sadoon Hatab, a 52-year-old former Baath Party official, by the neck, snapping a bone and killing him.
Hernandez was trying to move Hatab. Investigators believed the death was accidental. Hatab was left lying naked, covered in his own feces, for hours when he was found dead at the detention facility near Nasiriyah.

Hernandez and his superior officer, Maj. Clark A. Paulus, also a reservist, were charged with negligent homicide. Their commanding general dismissed those charges in April.

Paulus, the detention camp's commanding officer, instead faces general court-martial on a single charge of dereliction of duty, a charge of assault and two charges of cruelty and maltreatment.

Sgt. Gary Pittman, who was accused of karate-kicking Hatab in the chest, faces two charges of dereliction of duty and four of assault. Several other reservists faced lesser charges in connection with the mistreatment of detainees.

~snip~

Here's the ABC link: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/World/Iraq_abuse_death_040507-1.html
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:12 PM
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7. I wish we could start saving these names to a data base
of war criminals for the Iraqi people. They don't have the computers we do. Someday they may be able to charge them with something. These names appear quickly and then disappear into cyberspace. The Iraqis don't know their names.....but we do.
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