US military confirms existence of horrific pictures and video

By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
09 May 2004



The Bush administration was bracing itself last night for the release of new pictures and video footage from Abu Ghraib which show US soldiers having sex with an Iraqi woman prisoner, troops almost beating a prisoner to death, and the rape of young boys by Iraqi guards at the jail.

Senior officials have warned that the new images and details of the abuse and torture at the prison west of Baghdad will be even more shocking than those already released. They will undoubtedly place even more pressure on President George Bush and his beleaguered Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, as they desperately try to limit the political damage from the growing scandal.

NBC News has quoted military officials as saying that the new photographsalso show US soldiers "acting inappropriately with a dead body". This may refer to a picture, which The Washington Post described but did not publish, of Sabrina Harman, one of seven reservists charged with abuses, posing with thumbs up next to a decaying corpse.

NBC also reported that the rape of young boys by Iraqi guards, apparently in a special section of the prison, had been filmed by US soldiers.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=519448

RAPING an Iraqi woman.....
Note the Orwellian talk here...only Iraqis rape little boys.

an Iraqi prisoner would willingly have sex with soldiers. Iraqi guards rape but U.S. soldiers "have sex"? I don't f***ing think so.

I want to show the SHEEP what real brave soldiers the TROOPS were when they stood by while the children screamed in agony--- "They are only rag Heads", G.W. Bush impostor president of Amerika

</Rant off>

Nothing like the bonding that occurs when a group of fellas assault and degrade a woman together. You darn whiny liberals need to realize that our boys need to let off a little steam after a hard day of killin'.

SCHINDLER'S LIST



Ralph Fiennes plays a chilling Amon Goeth in the movie, and plays him to the point that some
people have had trouble distinguishing him from the real thing.

Poldek Pfefferberg, one of the Schindler Jews, famously said, "When you saw Göeth, you saw
death."



GENERAL MYERS TRIBUTE TO AMON GOETH

The following is a link to and an excerpt from the second New Yorker article on Abu Ghraib which was posted today.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040517fa_fact2

CHAIN OF COMMAND

by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
How the Department of Defense mishandled the disaster at Abu Ghraib.
Issue of 2004-05-17
Posted 2004-05-09

In his devastating report on conditions at Abu Ghraib prison, in Iraq, Major General Antonio M. Taguba singled out only three military men for praise. One of them, Master-at-Arms William J. Kimbro, a Navy dog handler, should be commended, Taguba wrote, because he ““knew his duties and refused to participate in improper interrogations despite significant pressure from the MI””——military intelligence——““personnel at Abu Ghraib.”” ...

having sex implies consent....why can't the media get this straight.

Sad.

I want my country BACK!

They apologized for "mistreatment".

What shocked us six months ago seems to pale by comparison >>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x4590

The internet is playing a huge role in exposing *reality*.

I wonder what Einstein would say about this.

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)

Has Bush said that yet? He'll get there.

THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. In recent days, America and the world have learned of shocking conduct in Iraqi prisons by a small number of American servicemen and women. These individuals had been given the responsibility of overseeing Iraqis in American custody, and doing so in a decent and humane manner, consistent with U.S. law and the Geneva conventions. Instead we have seen shameful images of prisoners being subjected to abuse and humiliation. Such practices do not reflect our values. They are a stain on our country's honor and reputation.
<s>
What took place in that Iraqi prison was the wrongdoing of a few, and does not reflect the character of the more than 200,000 military personnel who have served in Iraq since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom. America is a compassionate country that believes in justice and in freedom.

Americans believe in the worth and rights and dignity of every person.

Our country has sent troops into Iraq to liberate that country, return sovereignty to the Iraqi people, and make America and the world more secure. In this cause, our troops perform a thousand acts of kindness, decency and courage every day. More than 700 Americans have given their lives. The brave and honorable soldiers, sailors, airmen, Coast Guardsmen, and Marines who are serving and sacrificing in Iraq -- not the few who have let us down -- show the true character of America. The men and women of our military have my complete confidence as they carry on with their mission.
<s>
The vast majority of Iraqi people want a free society, and next month they will take another historic step forward when they regain sovereignty. On June 30th, a sovereign Iraqi interim government will assume authority, and Iraqis will take over the functions of their state, from basic services to law enforcement to diplomacy. On that day, the Coalition Provisional Authority will cease to exist, and relations with a new Iraqi government will be conducted through our new embassy.

Our mission in Iraq will continue on July 1st, and beyond. We have no intention of leaving that nation at the mercy of thugs and murderers. We're determined to help build a free and stable Iraq, a nation at peace with its neighbors and with the world.
<s>
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/05/20040508.html

I am continually struck by the level of narcissism coming from this administration. It has always been so. It's beginning to GLARE.

he's lost all credibility.

every reference to the torture of those prisoners was softened by the use of the words "abuse" and "mistreatment"; even PBS spins like a top for these f*cking Nazis!

They also noted that there hasn't been much of an outcry against the "abuse" by the American public because there have been so few letters to local papers condemning it. I think it's time we remedied that!

with news.google.com as my home page, I click and search and click and search on the stories I think need to stay at the top. (I don't like yahoo or it's rating system.) I have actually seen many cases where stories move up from the bottom of the page on google when enough folks click those news links. And my mouse helps keep them there. And, unlike yahoo, the freepers can't come by and take away my clicks.

Me included.

Oh I long for the days when all we worried about was a BJ. My God!!! :silly:

Are we that jaded?

"It's not torture - it's only abuse".

Hello?!?!?!

Now what if they alleged initially and limited talk to just "abuse" - they'd be talking about "mistreatment", and if it was "mistreatment" it would be "mistakes" - you bet they would find some stepped-down term for that, too.

IT'S STILL ABUSE!

That alone should be outrageous!

This proves they are living on another planet.

They will never get it until each one is personally slapped upside the head and their personal lives and fortunes are destroyed.

disgusting....trying to put a pretty picture on a rape is outrageous.

This administration almost seems to TRY to screw things up.

homoerotic stuff came out first.. If this had been 'merely' male on female rape instead of male on male, this would have been barely a ripple on the surface of the world's psyche. "yawn".

So many variables come into play here, dominant races have always used women of oppressed races for sexual release, and viewed these women as "loose", this kind of racism is subtley present everywhere, it always killed me how the Rolling Stones would dress up these incredibly talented black women as prostitutes and have them back up Mick Jagger during Stones concerts to make it look like he can actually sing.

And the pics won't get out on this, because the naked woman's body contains the sex, is the sex, and is the obscenity, and as such, can't fully be innocent, even if she comes from a culture as modest and repressive as islamic ones, even in a secular country, tend to be

This is the end.

My only friend.

The end.

Nothing quite like it and sadly, this is what it has taken for it to occur.

Shame shame shame on you America. Now your country is worthless to the world.

I am sad and ashamed we've let this stupid fool lead us to this.:-(

and then drink.

God. The only phrase that comes to mind is from Goya (who saw this kind of shit with his own eyes)

The sleep of reason produces monsters.

That's what we ALL are.
Monsters.

Where are our artists? We need their voices and images now.

We keep hearing that it was Iraqis doing the rape, while U.S. guards were 'only filming'. Even if true, standing by filming is aiding and abetting and at least as bad in my books. Maybe worse, it is so cold blooded to stand by and watch, while the child is almost certainly calling out for help.

And why Iraqis this time, whereas it has been U.S. guards in the other photos. My hunch is that the video doesn't show a close up of the person doing the rape, so that person is being called Iraqi. Alternatively, if it was an Iraqi it may have been under coercion - e.g. ordered to rape the child, or the child would be killed. This very thing went on in the ethnic wars of former Yugoslavia, according to soldiers' testimony. What better way to break someone's will than to force them to commit rape, on the pain of something even worse happening if they didn't go along.

Did they have a frkin CLUE where Saddam was hiding?
:teeth gnashing: This must be hell.

14 year-olds can throw grenades and detonate mines.

believe me, I know, I shot and killed a 14 year-old Cambodian in another war.

I was assured by others who worked around the POW compound that this was normal. So yes, we killed children. Children wearing NVA uniforms. Children sent along the Ho Chi Minh Trail without adequate rations and "intelligence briefings" that assured they'd be slaughtered.

At least Wim Kok had the dignity to step down.

Distributing the images would be distribution of child pornagraphy of the most vile sort.

What a sad time in history.

Did he think it was OK or just a better way to deal with prisoners?

neither is an appropriate position for a President.

Every American hates him now for letting it happen. It should be easy to impeach him now. What are we waiting for?

before then, anyway, and they seem to be the ones in charge.

37%, according to one poll, think this stuff is acceptable. Apparently only CONSENTUAL sex bothers these nazis. Plus the Senate and house is repug; they would never give the neo-cons their just desserts because they value their own power a thousand times more than justice and America's honor.

Any credibility problems with Rush or Hannity? Thought not...

have been disappeared from view probably never to be seen again.

;-) :loveya: ;-)

I posted it earlier today and now I can't find it, the names of the mercenaries were there?





80 detainees placed in special steel cells, camp warden says

Edited on Sat May-08-04 11:50 AM by seemslikeadream
More airlifts are expected because Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has ordered the prison project to build another 204 cells.

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/miami/news/4063545.htm











But Marine Brig. Gen. Michael Lehnert omitted any mention of the ultimate penalty proposed by the Pentagon -- death -- in his weekly loudspeaker address to the suspected al Qaeda and Taliban fighters.

''Those of you who are suspected of crimes will be brought before military commissions,'' Lehnert said.

The captives could be seen standing in their cells, quiet and listening attentively, a stark contrast to some rowdy behavior that had been evidence in recent days.

Lehnert, who will be replaced next week as commander of the facility, gave the men the update a day after Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for the first time revealed proposed guidelines that could theoretically be used to try Camp X-Ray captives or others held by U.S. forces in Kandahar, Afghanistan.
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/c...



Posted on Fri, Feb. 07, 2003
Guantánamo has 5th suicide attempt in 3 weeks


WASHINGTON - (AP) -- The Pentagon said Thursday there has been another suicide attempt among inmates at its Guantánamo Bay prison for terror suspects, bringing the number to five in three weeks. An official of the rights group Amnesty International called for an investigation.

''Medical and psychiatric teams are working to try to prevent further injury or attempts,'' said Navy Lt. Cmdr. Barbara Burfeind, a Pentagon spokeswoman, declining further comment.

Five cases of prisoners trying to kill themselves have been confirmed since Jan. 16. Officials declined to say whether it was five separate men or cases of multiple attempts by any one man.

http://www.macon.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/countie...

Subject: Brig. General sacked - Guantanamo Bay


> From: "northerntowns <norgeson@hotmail.com >" <norgeson@hotmail.com >
> Subject: Brig. General sacked - Guantanamo Bay
>
>
> Anyone know the real reasons that Brig. General Rick Baccus was
> relieved of his command? He pissed 'em off royally whatever he did.
>
> According to Alex Jones who this afternoon mentioned US Marine
> General Baccus, who retired soon after the infamous
> "Camp X-Ray" at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba received so-called
> Taliban prisoners. First, General Baccus blew the whistle
> and tried to make public the fact that NONE of the "Taliban"
> prisoners were in fact involved in the Taliban government.
>
> They were goatherders and shoemakers.
>
> Also, according to Alex Jones (infowars.com),
> General Baccus resigned because he refused to be part
> of the torture he was ordered to perform.
>
> Alex got his story from the "wholesale" news, i.e. the wire
> services, and states that this news never made it to the
> "retail" news. This was mid-October of 2002.
>
> .................
>
> 'Soft' Guantanamo chief ousted
>
> Julian Borger in Washington
> Wednesday October 16, 2002
> The Guardian
>
> The commander of the Guantanamo Bay detention camp - who was
> criticised in the US press for being too soft on the inmates - has
> been dismissed, it emerged yesterday.
>
> Brigadier-General Rick Baccus was relieved of his duties as camp
> commander and as an officer in the Rhode Island national guard on
> October 9, five days after a newspaper report quoted defence sources
> as saying he was "too nice" to the 598 inmates, and was consequently
> making it hard for the military interrogators to extract information
> from them.
>
> Back home in Rhode Island General Baccus told a local radio station
> that"in no instance did I interfere with interrogations", and
> expressed surprise at his treatment.
>
> "I'm a little amazed that after being deployed for seven months,
> separated from my wife, family and my job and being called to active
> duty, this is the kind of reception I'm getting."
>
> Officials at the Guantanamo Bay base, a US enclave in Cuba, said Gen
> Baccus had left because his unit, responsible for running Camp Delta,
> the base's detention centre, was merged with Joint Task Force 170, a
> combined unit drawn from the Defence Intelligence Agency, CIA and
> FBI, which questions the inmates.
>
> His commanding officer in the Rhode Island national guard, Major-
> General Reginald Centracchio, said he had sacked him for various
> reasons that "culminated in my losing trust and confidence in him". A
> national guard spokesman said General Baccus had failed to keep the
> headquarters up to date with reports on the troops' wellbeing.
>
> General Baccus denied the allegation and said General Centracchio did
> not have the authority to dismiss him from the national guard. He
> said he had no intention of retiring.
>
> In August Gen Baccus told a visiting group of journalists, including
> the Guardian, that uniformed officers had concerns that the
> Guantanamo Bay inmates continued to be labelled "enemy combatants"
> rather than "prisoners of war", a classification which would give
> them more rights under the Geneva conventions and which would assure
> their release at the end of hostilities.
>
> The Pentagon said there were no current plans to reclassify the
> Guantanamo Bay inmates.
>
> On October 4 the Washington Times reported that the chief
> interrogator, Major-General Michael Dunlavey, was irritated by the
> prisoners' treatment, particularly by Gen Baccus's decision to let
> the Red Cross put up posters telling inmates they need only provide
> their interrogators with their name, rank and number. Gen Dunlavey
> has taken over Gen Baccus's duties.
>
> The newspaper also reported that, when addressing the detainees, Gen
> Baccus began with the words "peace be with you" and finished
> with "may God be with you".
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,812647,00.html

Octafish (1000+ posts) Sat May-08-04 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #12

14. Halliburton built those cells.


War is SO good for the neo-conomy.

Published on Saturday, July 27, 2002 by Reuters

Halliburton to Build New Cells at Guantanamo Base

by Charles Aldinger


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Halliburton Co. has been awarded a $9.7 million contract to build an additional 204-cell detention camp at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba to hold additional suspected al Qaeda and Taliban prisoners, the Pentagon said on Friday.

The move will expand the high-security prison on the base, where hundreds of such "detainees" from Afghanistan are already being held in 612 small cells.

The prison at Guantanamo Bay Naval Station has played a major part in the U.S. war on terrorism declared after September's attacks on America in which more than 3,000 people died. No prisoners have been charged, but some could eventually face military trials.

Brown and Root Services, an engineering division of Halliburton, will build the additional 6-by-8-foot cells on the windward side of the remote U.S. base at the southeastern tip of Cuba, the Pentagon said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0727-02.htm



seemslikeadream (1000+ posts) Sat May-08-04 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #14

16. MEGALOPIG


WW3 REPORT proposes that the word has been coined by 9-11 defendant Zacarias Moussaoui, who in his colorful invective against his court-appointed attorneys (who he believes are collaborating with the government against him) calls one, Frank Dunham, a "megalopig." (See WW3 REPORT #43)

We admit that Moussaoui's strange pejorative may be a malapropism deriving from his fuzzy grasp of English. We also acknowledge that Moussaoui is clearly an extreme religious fanatic. (Does he grasp the irony when he accuses attorney Gerald Zerkin of being a "Jewish zealot"?) But his neologism is startlingly evocative--implying not only pigishness, but a pathological self-obsessed ruthlessness that borders on the maniacal.

In his lead story, "Looting the Treasury Under Cover of the Flag," Hightower cited everything from defense contractors like Boeing, which won a 10-year $20 billion-per-year deal to lease the Pentagon commercial 767 jets to refuel war planes, to biotech corporations like Monsanto, which is lobbying for a provision limiting industry liability for bio-engineered products in the new bio-terrorism bill, to drug companies like Eli Lilly, which is using high-level meetings with White House staff on terrorism preparedness to push for legislation barring generic knock-offs of their products, to brewers like Anheuser-Bush, who are lobbying for repeal of the excise tax on beer as part of the post-9-11 recovery package. WW3 REPORT would go beyond the private sector to add Pentagon nuclear hawks, FBI/CIA Big Brother wanabees, Justice Department and "Homelands Defense" freedom-haters, Capitol Hill interventionist cowboy careerists, and foreign despots and ethnic cleansers--who all use the War on Terrorism to cynically further their anti-social ambitions.

http://www.worldwar3report.com/46.html#shadows9





I putting this here for safekeeping so I don't lose it. Watch it for me will ya? Thanks

or ya Karla

It's here.

It's been a rough day.

Questions that demand answers, Perjury before Congress ?

That Mr. Steven Stephanowicz, Contract US Civilian Interrogator, CACI, 205th Military Intelligence Brigade, be given an Official Reprimand to be placed in his employment file, termination of employment, and generation of a derogatory report to revoke his security clearance for the following acts which have been previously referred to in the aforementioned findings: • Made a false statement to the investigation team regarding the locations of his interrogations, the activities during his interrogations, and his knowledge of abuses.

• Allowed and/or instructed MPs, who were not trained in interrogation techniques, to facilitate interrogations by "setting conditions" which were neither authorized and in accordance with applicable regulations/policy. He clearly knew his instructions equated to physical abuse.

The following is an excerpt from Joe Ryans (another Private contractor interrogator) Online diary of his experiences at Abu Gharieb thru to 25 April, when the military 'requested' him to 'pull' his 'online diary' (my emphasis):

I got to take the rest of the day off after our long booth time. This gave us a nice evening after dinner to head to the roof and play a round of golf. Scott Norman, Jeff Mouton, Steve Hattabaugh, Steve Stefanowicz, and I all took turns trying to hit balls over the back wall and onto the highway. Since the club is a left handed 3 iron, I had an unfair advantage and missed a dump truck by only about ten feet. Not bad since the highway is about 220 yards. We do what we can to make it fun here.

Online diary Cache here: http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:XYYOCOWnu_8J:www.am1500.com/personalities/joeryan.htm+KSTP+%22Joe+Ryan%22&hl=en

Comment: Contrary to testimony before congress that immediate corrective action was taken by command in late January. Why was Steve Stefanowicz still doing his worst at Abu Gharieb at least thru to 25 April '04 ? Taguba's findings are clear that he had primary contributary guilt. ah, but oh yes, he was'nt a disposable Army reserve MP, was he ?

http://www.yuricareport.com
Report and Merc names- be sure to read the whole report;
the author of the report saves the best for last...
BHN

Wife, Daughters Tell of Iraqi Man Discharged from U.S. Custody in Coma
by Dahr Jamail (bio)
Brian Dominick (bio) contributed to this item.

Editor's Note: Part of the following feature story was first reported by Baghdad correspondent Dahr Jamail back in January, when almost no one was paying attention to stories of the horrifying treatment dealt to Iraqi prisoners by their Western captors. Now that the world has deemed the topic newsworthy, Jamail has returned to the story for more thorough coverage. As part of our mission to The NewStandard will continue to pursue this and other stories like it in the near future. As any Iraq correspondent who speaks with Iraqis can attest, there is no shortage of them.


Baghdad , May 4 - Not all evidence of military personnel mistreating Iraqis held in US custody come from leaks within the American- and British-run detention facilities. In many cases, such as that of Sadiq Zoman, 57, who last year entered US custody healthy but left in a vegetative state, the story originates with family members desperate to share their loved one’s story with anyone willing to listen.

American soldiers detained Zoman at his residence in Kirkuk on July 21, 2003 when they raided the Zoman family home in search of weapons and, apparently, to arrest Zoman himself.

More than a month later, on August 23, US soldiers dropped Zoman off, already comatose, at a hospital in Tikrit. Although he was unable to recount his story, his body bore telltale signs of torture: what appear to be point burns on his skin, bludgeon marks on the back of his head, a badly broken thumb, electrical burns on the soles of his feet. Additionally, family members say they found whip marks across his back and more electrical burns on his genitalia.











Daughter Rheem stated, "My father is a good man who helped so many people in our community. Why have they done this to him? Can you tell me? Everyone who knows him can say that he did so many good things to help people."

With tears in her eyes, Hashima Zoman added, "Is it fair for any man's family to be made to suffer like this? Is it right that his daughters must see him like this? Our lives will never be the same again, no matter what happens."


http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=275.

Paragraph n° 1 : The discipline is the major force of the armies.

In all the armies this paragraph shouldn't be very different.

this unfortunatly...

If we have a lesson to teach the US army it would be an horribly cynical one : Hey guys, it doesn't work !!!! It just leads armies to lose war and nations to lose soul ! Do you listen?? Can you learn something ?? You watched officialy "The Battle of Algiers" in the Pentagon did you ? Ring something ?

I feel very sad for USA now... At the least it didn't take you forty years to start working for repear within the nation like us. Do not lose hope, see it positively, it's an incredible opportunity for you to give the world a lesson of democracy and justice. Keep fighting, we are watching you, NOW America is really fighting against barbary and for our common values!

Hope and fight, fight and hope, till Victory ! Go Democrats, Go America with my and my family friendly salute in times of troubles ! France is with you !

:kick:

Please, spread the word in France and Europe that the USA hasn't gone completely mad.

Only half of us are mad, according to recent polls. :-(

Thank you for your encouraging words, and I am happy that you stand with those of us Americans who remain in dissent with our government. We're going to need all the help we can get!

:loveya:

I was too young (only a few months) but many of my cousins have been sent into this shit of Algerian war.

Two of them came back home with serious trauma. Did they torture or not, I don't know but they are witnesses that's sure. (they are more than 60 years old now, but they don't talk very long about that). I just wanted to say in army nothing can't be done by soldiers without orders or without officers connivances. In Algeria, the officiers said "We can't continue to find our guys with their balls cut off, you have to get informations with all means"... In a war we know what these means are.

We have no moral lesson to give. Over all, the French governments didn't admit the torture practice in Algeria until a recent time.

This is absolutely dreadful.

I was one of the majority who voted for Gore and watched the horror of Bush stealing the election.

Is there any way to outlaw the Republican party?

They can't "spin" their way out of this one. The abuses are too widespread, systematic and long term for them to be isolated incidents.

I just can't believe that these abuses would have been allowed to go on that way.

Where were the Chaplains, how about the Medical Officers? Weren't there anyone with any kind of a conscience who would speak up and denounce this type of activity?

Why did it take this long for this type of activity to come to light?!!

Non-consensual sex is RAPE, no matter the spin. I guess Iraqis aren't human, so it doesn't matter (sarcasm).

Heaven help us. My nation has become too much like the Nazis of recent history who considered Jews subhuman.

Here is an honest question. Could Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rice and whoever else had knowledge (if they really had such knowledge) of these types of activities be actually tried for war crimes?

I have a hard time believing that Bush didn't know or at least have a suspicion of such. Especially when the Red Cross warned him of such.

So why did he wait for 60 Minutes to break the story in order to begin cleaning up the mess?

I would be very interested to learn the details. Perhaps this will allow a full inquiry into the administration's activities including what they really knew about the 9/11 plot.

Take action on story at amnestyusa.org

open letter to bush from amnesty
usa admin has received many reports over the last two years.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=77EC1B8868C9828F80256E8D0041F7B5
http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=B04794EDFE431D1885256E8D0051A241

I saw those pictures last weekend, but thought that they were faked....

My god...this is absolutely disgusting.

"We have no intention of leaving that nation at the mercy of thugs and murderers." GW Bush

Then why don't you order the prisons to be closed and send the troops back to the USA?

Bushco has weathered all other scandals to date with W's approval ratings staying steady. Will Bushco be able to spin their way out of this?

If they can get away with this, then they can get away with anything. This must be stepped now, not in November. Impeach Rumsfeld, and then bush!

this is going to be interesting to watch.
it's hard to describe my feelings here -- i'm proud of duer's and their intelligent and insightful remarjs.
but i must remind myself -- people like those at du have been cut out of mainstream feelings and introspection for a long time.
will those who should take a breath and begin to contemplate the meaning of this rape, torture and abuse really do so?
that's when these stories, actions, and pictures will have meaning.

I smell goose... Yum! I want some...

gimmygimmygimmygimmy

Morally, this is just about as bad as it gets.

But let me slip into my Carl Rove costume here... ah there.
Bhehehehehohohahahahaaaaa... I'm FREE!!!!

Oh my, this is wonderful. You couldn't ask for better ammunition against your opponents. One has to ask if the pictures and videos were taken by anti-coalition forces embedded within US personnel itself. How diabolical. I love it. Or perhaps the images were meant to be used to intimidate other 'detainees'; to use their own words. This is almost too good to be true. Especially with the top echelon still in rabid denial. President..er, I mean vice president dickie boy is out in front... maybe he's the lead lemming, headed for the beach.

The question is, how do we break through the media blockade imposed by the RNC through corporate ownership? I think the full court press is in order here. We're not going to get a better chance to bring down the house or mouse mis-administration. Every democrat, be he a she or vise versa, politicians even, must demand immediate accountability. Off with Rummys head, for this is his baby. Stain and tattoo dickie boy and shrub for standing by a man who designs violent pedophile rings. Un-fuck-ing-be-leiv-a-ble.

rape rooms.

raperoomsRapeRoomsRAPEROOMS!

"the rape rooms are gone" - from the lips of the President of the United States. Hold him accountable. Make noise now!

(I gotta take this costume off, it makes me itch)

Meyers is working overtime to keep the lid on this. According to MSNBC the "PICTURES
AREN'T EVEN IN DC YET"

What a Freaking LIE. They could send a Giga bite of data in 2 seconds for heaven sakes ---do
they believe we are that STOOPID ??

NeoCon Fucking liars posing as Generals



Next week or the week after next the NEOCON Generals plan to let a few select congressMEN
see them..

Then after the congressMEN go on TV with their usual outrage statements THE PENTAGON
will decide what to do next.

I hope the DINOS and others keep the heat on these CRIMINALS IN UNIFORM

...don't have the originals and they're going crazy trying to find them?

If I were the person or persons responsible for getting this story to the public, I would have randomly distributed the pics and videos in digital format all over the globe to be made public on a second's notice.

I'm also betting that the releases are being orchestrated by a faction of senior officers that are in the process of revolting.

Stand by for heavy rolls...lots of rogue waves on the horizon.

Yeah. And the wave on the horizon might be one of those '100 foot Killer Rogue Waves' I've heard about. They can sink the largest ships with one hit. Batten down the hatches and tie chimp, dickieboy, rummy, the ice bitch-i-mean-princess, and kkkarl to the mastheads. They're going down with the ship...

The "Morans" are dying the slow death of a thousand cuts

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