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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:31 AM
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HOUSE CALLS FOR STOPPING IRAN'S NUKES BY ALL MEANS
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WASHINGTON -- The House of Representatives has called on the United States and the rest of the international community to stop Iran's nuclear weapons programs by any means.

House members said the resolution was meant to pave the way for a more aggressive U.S. stance toward Iran's secret development of nuclear weapons. They said this could include additional sanctions on nuclear suppliers to Iran as well as military options.


how could congress fall for it a second time? the majority on that scares me.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 02:38 AM
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1. Well, it's a non-binding resolution...
Edited on Mon May-10-04 02:46 AM by punpirate
... and while that majority is worrisome, note that there were about sixty abstentions.

I agree, though, that it's not a good sign. You'd think that all the recent news from Iraq--not just about the torture evidence--but about the insurgencies, as well, would give them some pause. But, it hasn't.

I dearly hope people will remember votes such as this come Nov. 2nd.

On edit, it's important to also add that any non-proliferation effort is good, but the U.S. in advancing new nuclear weapons programs, and doing a bit of sleight-of-hand with regard to arms reduction, along with Congress pressing for the use of military power against other countries, won't make proliferation less likely. Diplomatic efforts seem to have been put on the back burner, and that can make a bad situation worse.

The other consideration, lurking in the back of my mind, is that this is simply a reflection of a larger neo-con plan to put all of the Middle East into chaos.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:03 AM
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2. Possibly a diversion
to take the news off the torture of prisoners???
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:12 AM
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3. One can't discount that possibility...
... but I imagine this resolution was in the works before the news broke on the torture of prisoners.

If there's a flurry of news stories on Monday and Tuesday about Iran, I would suspect diversion.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:54 AM
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15. Naw,...more like a slide of hand,...
,...that is if this administration is being consistent which I believe it is consistent in tactics. The torture scandal is an ideal time to sneak this through and set the country up to march on to an escalation of war per PNAC. Too bad the yo-yos who are supposed to be intelligently representing the American people are either too interested in securing their own profession in politics or are simply too distracted/uninformed to take a stand against implementing a full-scale rule of force. Too bad our yo-yo representatives are willing to risk the downfall and destruction of their own country as a world fights back against another unwanted empire.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:00 AM
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16. Rove is floundering...and this Iran alert is a strategic move to garner
headlines. Don't be surprised if they start issuing threatening statements trying to instigate even more instability in the ME.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 03:38 AM
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4. There are a couple of HUGE problems with thoughts of military action
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against Iran.

As we all know, the US is bogged down in Iraq with an overextended Military.

Iraq had no functional Air Defense, Iran does.

Iraq, at least now, has no organized massive ground defenses, Iran does.

In my opinion, Iran would be a much more difficult country to attack, and IF the US does ANYTHING inside Iran, I would expect a massive movement of Iran's military into Iraq, which so far Iran has stayed out of.

Check the chart and graph below. Indications are that Iran has at least 5 TIMES the amount of Military the US presently has in Iraq available to do this.

The Iranians would have a good chance of overrunning the US military in Iraq, given the excuse, which any interference at this point would do, in my opinion.






Note that the figures from 2000 indicate almost 550,000 Military in Iran. I have no idea whether these figures have increased, or decreased, but I suspect that ever since the coalition set foot in Iraq that the numbers have increased, and are at an increased level of readiness.

I don't think the Iranian Military leaders are at all surprised with the quagmire that the US finds itself in now, nor are they under any illusion that given the chance, the US will impose their will on Iran.

The US has lost the world confidence, and in attacking Iraq, a basically defenseless country,the US has practically VALIDATED the need for smaller countries to have nukes to defend themselves, or rather at least DETER, the US from unilaterally imposing its will as it did in Iraq.

That's how I see it, and so does alot of the rest of the World.

Iraq was the US's biggest error.

They lost what little World support they had by this unilateral action, despite their cloaking under the guise of a Coalition of the Willing.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 04:29 AM
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5. Not to worry

This is all part of the rhetoric leading up to the PNAC driven
goal of allowing Israel to fly missions against Iranian nuclear
facilities, much like the strike against Iraqi nuclear facilities
back in 1981. I'm sure the thought is that as long as the American
forces are in the region, Iran will not retaliate... and if this
waits much longer, Americans may be politically forced to leave
(abuse and torture scandal, change of leadership) the region and
Iran will achieve nuclear capabilities. So must do it now, despite
the negative repercussions.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:12 AM
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10. This is troubling
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 04:38 AM
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6. STUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPIDSTUPID
:wtf:

yeah, lets go invade another country right now, lets blow them all off the face of the earth...

pooh-pooh on the fact that we have more than our hands full with Afghanistan and Iraq... pooh-pooh that the world thinks we are blood-thirsty invaders

We'll go it alone! Don't need no stinkin' world approval! Bring it On! Fire up the Jet - get them banners out - Mission Accomplished

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Quetzal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 06:04 AM
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7. The Nobel Peace Prize winner from Iran
has already gone on the record stating that the US should not over-interfere with the affairs of the Iranian state.

Let's see - there is a large young population that in Iran that already wants to overthrow the Ayatollahs due to their extremist views - and we want to bomb them? I say leave the Iranians to their own affairs before they (the youth) turn on us for bombing them in the first place.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 06:14 AM
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8. 95 to 3 says they will.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:10 AM
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9. Let's see...we're stockpiling oil which usually means that there is...
...a major military activity on the near horizon, we've threatened both Iran and Syria, and we have an unelected junta in charge.

Anything else to add to the pile?
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:14 AM
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11. Right on cue,
our congressional whores are doing the bidding of our regime nevermind the consequences.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:40 AM
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12. Typical Republican Response
Kill Kill Kill
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:45 AM
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13. They aren't falling for it. They WANT it. They want to steal the oil.
Our government is composed of rich corporatists and elitists, they want the same thing Bush wants.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:16 AM
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19. Iran doesn't have any oil. n/t
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:58 AM
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14. US lawmakers do not trust Iran, call on Russia
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:04 AM
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17. Well, it's great they have time for this.
Edited on Mon May-10-04 09:04 AM by bemildred
There must be no other issues requiring their attention.
Certainly everything is fine domestically, eh? The government
is not going broke, there are plenty of jobs, etc. etc.

This will probably be every bit as feckless as the "Syria
Accountability Act".
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:07 AM
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18. I`m wondering.....
Who`s behind War Door Number 3?
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:16 AM
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20. LOL.
Edited on Mon May-10-04 09:17 AM by Scooter24
I don't know. If I had to choose, I would wait to see if there is a cash alternative.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:18 AM
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21. Afghanistan, Iraq, Haiti, Cuba...
I guess Georgie is going to keep trying to take over non-white countries until he gets it right!

:headbang:
rocknation
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