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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:21 AM
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Iran Warns Israel of Retaliation
TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's top nuclear negotiator warned Israel on Tuesday that his country would retaliate if the Jewish state were to attack Iranian nuclear facilities.


Israel and the United States suspect Iran is secretly building nuclear weapons under cover of a nuclear energy program. In the past, Israel has said it would not allow Iran to build a nuclear bomb.

~snip~

Israel knows our hands are well equipped," Rowhani said. "If such an incident happens, it will meet a resolute response from our side."


Rowhani did not explain what he meant by saying Iran was "well equipped," but Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani said in December that Iran would strike back with long-range missiles if Israel were to attack its nuclear facilities.

~snip~

more:http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&ncid=736&e=4&u=/ap/20040511/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_israel
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:22 AM
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1. no it wouldn't
Iran would lay down and take it, I imagine.

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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:13 AM
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7. And it's by such presumption
that world wars are triggered.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:18 AM
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8. exactly
however in this instance, Iran would back down. They know they've got the U.S. on both sides of them (Iraq & Afghanistan) and that nobody is going to come to their aid if they take on Israel.

If a world war was going to start, all other arab nations would have to join in too. And I don't see that happening because arab nations distrust eachother just slightly less than they trust us or Israel.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:21 AM
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9. Israel is about as highly regarded in the World
as the US.

That should tell you were they stand.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:39 AM
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12. It is possible that they would back down
But consider the following examples:
- Kissinger said he misunderstood the fact that countries might start a war they couldn't win for the sake of self-respect (Yom Kipper, 1973).
- Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, even though they knew war with the U.S. was a huge gamble that they would probably lose.
- The whole complicated World War I scenario (it would take pages to go into it, as everyone knows, but the upshot is that local matters quickly escalated out of everybody's control).

Nations often do irrational things after being attacked, and that often drags other nations into doing irrational things (or rational things, if it opens up an unexpected opportunity for them).
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LivingInTheBubble Donating Member (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 11:59 AM
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20. After the US's success in Iraq they must be quaking in their boots (NT)
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:45 AM
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14. Yeah, and if Kennedy had attacked the missle silos in Cuba..
They just would have took that...
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:32 AM
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2. Anyone know the main gripe that the r-w has with John McCain?
Does anyone know if there's a single major issue that the right-wing has or had with John McCain? Thanks.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:34 AM
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3. He appears to be more Buchannanite, more paleocon, and doesn't
fall into line very well with the neonazicons.
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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:35 AM
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4. The Blank Check
Finally, as far as concerns Serbia, His Majesty, of course,
cannot interfere in the dispute now going on
between Austria-Hungary and that country, as it is a matter
not within his competence. The Emperor Francis Joseph
may, however, rest assured that His Majesty will faithfully
stand by Austria-Hungary, as is required by the obligations of
his alliance and of his ancient friendship.

BETHMANN-HOLLWEG

http://www.lib.byu.edu/~rdh/wwi/1914/blankche.html

Washington's strategy is simple: whenever the White
House feels that developments in Iraq are not proceeding in
its favour it steps up its campaign against Tehran through
the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). Tehran, for
its part, has proven itself highly adept at circumventing
US pressures by capitalising on the American predicament
in Iraq.

http://palestinechronicle.com/story.php?sid=20040507114450294

Anything Israel sends to Iran must go thru US controlled
space.


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jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:01 AM
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5. US House Passes Bill Condemning Iranian Nuclear Program
The legislation, originally introduced by Rep. Tom Lantos
(D-CA) and Rep. Henry Hyde (R-Il), passed by a margin of
376-3, with 14 members voting
"present."

http://www.truthnews.net/world/2004050032.htm
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:10 AM
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6. And what of Israel's nuclear facilities?
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The Blue Knight Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:23 AM
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10. Iran would lay down and take it.
Because they know they'd get stomped on if they were to retaliate against either us or Israel.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:35 AM
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11. Really?
And where would the US get the troops to do anything. The US is barely holdoing its own in Iraq, and do not have control of much in Afghanistan. Of course there's always the draft, but even that would take time to implement. Taking into consideration that 9 of the US Army's 10 active divisions are spread out all over the world, with the exception of using tactical nukes, the US does not have the manpower to do much.

As for the Israelis they would have to fly over Arab airspace all the way to Iran, and have to refuel in order to make it back to Israel.

Add to that the possibility that the Iranians have been preparing for an attack on its reactors, and the rumor that they have purchased anti-air artillery from either the Russians or the Chinese.

Retaliation does not mean a direct attack against Israel, if the Iranians do have up to date defenses, they can inflict damage that
way and force the Israelis to either quit or to use their own nukes.

No matter how you look at it, whatever happens, I don't believe that the Iranians will lay down and take it this time, but we'll see.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 11:53 AM
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19. Israeli warplanes would have to transit US controlled Iraqi airspace
or US monitored Saudi Arabian or Persian Gulf airspace.

To ensure that Israeli aircraft were not threatened by US air defenses - Bush would have to give the Israelis US IFF codes.

...and we would be an accomplice....
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LivingInTheBubble Donating Member (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:01 PM
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21. Brainstorming here...
but could the israelis nuke iran and then claim that they attacked with conventional weapons and the nuclear fallout was a result of irans nucular programme.

Its a big lie but they seem to be en vogue.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:40 AM
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13. Since the whole ME knows about PNAC, what choice other than defense,
or,...if you wish to call it "retaliation",...do they have? I think it very dangerous to assume how any particular person or nation or group of nations will react when there is a clear intention to use force against them and to "control" a whole region.
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mallard Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:45 AM
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15. Re: Misjudgements and a second Iran/Iraq War
Edited on Tue May-11-04 10:46 AM by mallard
I don't agree that Iran would just stand down and take it - especially considering how the entire transition from national sovereignty to total chaos in Iraq BEGAN with the June '82 Israeli raid on a brand new Iraqi nuclear power plant when it was all ready to go on-line.

Iraq sorta just "took it" that time, didn't they? Not a good outcome for them!

Why is Yahoo! News (apparently) down? Haven't seen that before.
(OK - they're back)


Any other links available (PLEASE)?
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Capt_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 11:33 AM
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17. There are russians working in Iranian nuclear facilities. If one of them..
If one of them was to get hurt in any Israeli strike, there is a high
probability that in a few hours russian cruise missiles would be raining down on israeli
nuclear facilities.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:48 AM
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16. I think Iran would walk all over Iraq if any "incident" occurred
.
.
.

They DO have the manpower to do that.

About 5 times the manpower that the US has in Iraq right now.

And Iran isn't real "busy" with their Military right now.

Something to think about.



Those figures are from 2000, they could be considerably more by now,

And I'd bet my butt they are on a high state of readyness.

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 11:36 AM
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18. Retaliate via OPEC, perhaps?
It sent prices shooting up in the 1970s; I think the Arab OPEC states would be concerned by Israel attacking other countries. It would hurt the whole world, not just Israel; but Bush would want to keep oil prices down for November, and if anyone has the ability to restrain Sharon, it's his financial backers in the Pentagon.
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