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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:12 PM
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Memo: Iraq Abuse Was 'Vigilante Justice' (for Lynch 'rape')
Edited on Tue May-11-04 12:13 PM by Barrett808
Memo: Iraq Abuse Was 'Vigilante Justice'
By JIM KRANE, Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A female soldier in the Army's 320th Military Police Battalion took "vigilante justice" on Iraqi prisoners who she believed had raped Army Pfc. Jessica Lynch, according to a letter from the battalion's commander obtained by The Associated Press.

Lt. Col. Jerry L. Phillabaum, commander of 320th Military Police Battalion, leveled the allegation in a rebuttal to charges against his leadership of the 320th, some of whose soldiers were also charged with abusing prisoners last fall at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison.

Phillabaum made the allegation in an April 12 memo to Lt. Gen. Thomas Metz, deputy commander of coalition forces in Iraq. He provided a copy to The Associated Press.

In the document, Phillabaum said Master Sgt. Lisa Girman, 35, and three other MPs from the same battalion abused the prisoners at Camp Bucca in southern Iraq on May 12, 2003.

"When Master Sgt. Lisa Girman returned to Camp Bucca shortly before midnight, she took 'vigilante justice' against EPW (enemy prisoners of war) that she believed had raped Pfc. Jessica Lynch," he said. "Four out of the 10 320th MP Battalion soldiers abused some of the EPWs; a clear indication that the abuse was the responsibility of those individuals acting alone and was not condoned by myself or any leader at Camp Bucca."

(more)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040511/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_beatings&cid=540&ncid=1480
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:19 PM
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1. See what lies can lead to?
Jessica wasn't raped, but someone else was abused because of the lie...
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:20 PM
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4. The entire war is a lie, so yeah, nothing good can come of it
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:01 PM
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14. Yeah, there's that!
But smaller lies are more comprehensible, easier to recognize for what they are...and I'm sure it seemed such a harmless little embellishment at the time.

#%@#$% idiots.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:17 PM
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27. We had thousands of guys, bombers, tanks shooting the
place up, killing anybody that moved, even killing them in their sleep. For no purpose other than bush wanting it. The prison problem is a very insignificant nodule on a much greater cancer.
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Columbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 11:19 PM
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36. And you know that because...
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:20 PM
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2. 4 Out of 10 MPs acting indicates a breakdown
of discipline and leadership. This goes right to the CO of this company.
One I could understand if that individual was reported and charged with criminal actions. I am not buying this is the action of individuals.

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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:20 PM
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3. "vigilante justice"
war is so stupid.
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:20 PM
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5. this bullshit is embarassing!
The desperation is comforting, in a way, however..
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:22 PM
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6. ...minor detail on Jessica Lynch...she WASN'T raped
and even if she was...aren't we supposed to be better than those terrorists anyway? Do two wrongs make it right?

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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:25 PM
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7. The childishness of that whole "defense"
Well...he STARTED it!!! :cry:
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:29 PM
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9. sounds like the chimp in chief defense....Saddam started it w/ my daddy
so I'm gonna finish it....and the repubs complain about Clinton. :(
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ezee Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:31 PM
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10. Two Wrongs
don't make it right...so says my momma!
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:28 PM
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8. sHE WAS NOT raped!
THE SPIN MACHINE MADE THE STORY INTO THE TRUTH IN THEIR EYES
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PragMantisT Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:48 PM
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11. 4 out of 10 did the abusing
6 out of 10 did nothing. No evil there.

I hope the 6 are proud.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:55 PM
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12. PHILLABAUM'S RIGHT ABOUT HIGHER OFFICERS
They have no honor and most could care less about anyone under them.. Few of them deserve
anything but derision. I see no leadership from Myers whatsoever. They will be little morale or
will to fight, once the facts come out.

The real bullies, thugs and criminals will love it, they are still killing to achieve some weird fantasy.

MYERS HANDIWORK looks like the Photos of the naked Jews stripped and marched to the
pits at Babi-Yar to have their brains blown out by Steel Helmeted NAZI THUGS

like this one



The More Things Change the More They Remain the Same.




Amazing on how so little has changed

I can’’t wait for the troop apologists to declare

““WELL THEY DIDN’’T KILL HIM””

or “WE AREN’T NAZIS YET” !!!

Look at the image of Terror in this MAN’’S EYES on his FACE !!!
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:59 PM
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13. ABUSE AT Camp Bucca in southern Iraq on May 12, 2003.
MY-- MY ITS MORE THAN JUST ABU GHRAIB
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Shadder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:17 PM
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18. Yeah, but it's the same group of people
These people were a part of the 320th MP Battalion. Janis Karpinski, an Army reserve brigadier general, was named commander of the 800th Military Police Brigade and put in charge of military prisons in Iraq. Directly under the 800th is the 320th MP Battalion; directly under the 320th is the 372nd MP Company.

On 10 November 2003 LTC (P) Jerry Phillabaum, Commander, 320th MP Battalion received a GOMOR from BG Janis Karpinski, Commander 800th MP Brigade, for lack of leadership and for failing to take corrective security measures as ordered by the Brigade Commander.

On 17 January LTC Jerry Phillabaum was suspended from his duties Pending Relief for Cause, for dereliction of duty as the Battalion Commander of the 320th MP Battalion by LTG Ricardo S. Sanchez.

But you know whats really interesting? on the very same day that this memo was written CBS's 60 Minutes II informed the Pentagon that it is planning to broadcast photographs of Abu Ghraib prison abuse.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:11 PM
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25. INTERESTING
Different people though than those at Abu Ghraib. Looks like a lot of Cowboys in this unit ?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 10:30 PM
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34. Taguba said three, then four prisons, at the hearing today.
That's four prisons including Abu Ghraib.

And I'm sure that is just what they know of.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:04 PM
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15. Was She or Wasn't She Raped????
Man - I cannot seem to get this story - my rightwing sister said she read her book and she was definitely raped - having not read the book I just really? I thought that turned out to be bogus - and she said nope, its in the book. So what is up with this story?
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:14 PM
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17. I did a Google search
And yes, the book says she was raped but has no memory of it whatsoever--and the Iraqi medical folk denied the allegation.

:shrug:
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:56 PM
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23. I thought I heard her on T.V. saying the Book was published...
without her approval, and she also said she wasn't raped. Is that wrong?
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funkybutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:07 PM
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16. was she raped?
I've heard that she was and i've heard that she was not raped. Can someone give me some difinitive information about this?
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:42 PM
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33. Yes she WAS raped
Edited on Tue May-11-04 09:43 PM by tinanator
by the Bush administration, who put out the "anally raped" story in retaliation for her honesty in recounting events as they actually happened. I think it would be helpful to backtrack the date of these allegations being made public and compare it to the excuses being made in this memo. They might not jibe. One thing you can never say about the Bushcorp familia-
"they can't get any lower"
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 11:06 PM
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35. She could not have been raped and that's a FACT!
When her vehicle crashed she suffered multiple injuries the most serious of which was a broken femur. She would have essentially bled to death in the time it would have taken for a rape to take place. She was bleeding profusely from the break as well as a serious head wound. When brought to the hospital, according to all of the staff who saw or treated her, she was fully clothed and in shock from her injuries and loss of blood. The book was not written by her, rather it was written about her. There is no way she could have recounted the details portrayed in the book such as firing her gun till it jammed because she also suffered a broken arm in the crash and would not have been able to hold the damn thing much less fire it!

Please see these links.
Guardian Unlimited | Special reports | The truth about Jessica
BBC NEWS | Programmes | Correspondent | Saving Private Lynch story ...
Jessica Lynch: Media Myth-Making in the Iraq War
Jessica Lynch's Story is Turning 'Into a Monster' for the Bush Administration

And last but definitely least, the FOX version of the story!

Report: Lynch Was Shot, Stabbed in Fierce Struggle With Iraqi Captors
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:22 PM
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19. If I had to go with my gut on this
I'd say she was coached to say this. Maybe the brass is helping to provide them with excuses that could resonate positively with the court of public opinion.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:28 PM
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20. I agree, she says she was raped because
she was told by brass that she was raped. No medical evidence.
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:34 PM
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21. Well, yeah but
I'm referring to the female soldier who claims she took revenge for Lynch's alleged rape. I bet she's was told to give a reason like that instead of implicating her superiors. Just a thought.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:01 PM
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24. Shotgun approach to defense
Throw out as many ideas as you can, hoping one will stick...like the song in "Chicago"--(paraphrasing)I didn't do, but if I did, he had it coming; and if you'd have been there, you would have done the same.
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:35 PM
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28. Exactly
Just as with 911, the "accountability party" will do everything it can to make sure that no one is held accountable. That way nobody has to roll over on them.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:15 PM
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26. That's what I was wondering as well.
Edited on Tue May-11-04 02:15 PM by bloom
Create doubt and confusion. Classic defense tactics.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:00 PM
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30. Read the Cite: NO RETALIATION WAS DONE.
Edited on Tue May-11-04 03:01 PM by happyslug
From the Cite:

Girman, who was among four members of the 320th discharged over allegations they abused prisoners at Camp Bucca, called Phillabaum's description of the incident "completely false."

"That night, there was no abuse, there was no evidence of abuse," she said in a telephone interview Tuesday.

She said the group of accused MPs used only the minimum force necessary to subdue a group of unruly prisoners being taken to the camp, and that at the time of the incident, she didn't know who the prisoners were, or whether they had any involvement with Lynch.....

"It's funny how the leadership continues to point downward," she said.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:44 PM
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22. Spin
If it were so it would be exploited to stoke the blood lust. The best they can do is imply it repreatedly, without quite stating it--sort of like the Iraqi-911 connection. The whole Lynch fabrication blew up in their faces, so it was shoved out of view.

Notice the disproportionate number of women fingered in these crimes? Interesting that in all the corporate scandals they hung up Martha Stewart to take the rap. The military, like the business world, is the domain of men looking to pass the blame for their stupidity, brutality and greed.

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:45 PM
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29. JUST A LITTLE PRANK BY 1 OR 2 SOLDIERS
This is prom night prank played out in Indiana





Lynching 1930

A mob of 10,000 whites took sledgehammers to the county jailhouse doors to get at these two
young blacks accused of raping a white girl; the girl’’s uncle saved the life of a third by
proclaiming the man’’s innocence. Although this was Marion, Ind., most of the nearly 5,000
lynchings documented between Reconstruction and the late 1960s were perpetrated in the South.
(Hangings, beatings and mutilations were called the sentence of ““Judge Lynch.””) Some lynching
photos were made into postcards designed to boost white supremacy, but the tortured bodies and
grotesquely happy crowds ended up revolting as many as they scared. Today the images remind
us that we have not come as far from barbarity as we’’d like to think.


This photo was taken 15 years before I was born. This was typical behavior into the late 60's in
certain enlightened areas of AMERIKA.

There were 5,000 of these quaint folk celebrations, with Black men being the primary recipients
of the crowds adoration.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 03:30 PM
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31. "Justice," said Bush. "Justice," said Girman. And the torture began.
The perversion of language is astonishing in the Bush era.

During the run up to invasion, for instance, Bush would frequently boast about "bringing terrorists to justice."

Now the whole world knows what this "justice" is--the annihilation of civilians, the devastation of entire societies, the freelance torture of anyone unlucky enough to land in the bully's cells.

They are all revealed now, the members of this junta and its paid torturers alike: banalities devoid of moral imagination.

And still they prattle on about "justice."

Did you ever imagine you'd be governed by the equivalent of the Nazis?
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 04:39 PM
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32. And this from the shills who proclaim
bush*stain has 'moral clarity'.
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