‘60 Minutes II’ to air controversial footage

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4955074/

A soldier talks about how he doesn't care about the Iraqi prisoners


NEW YORK - A video that shows a young American soldier saying “who cares?” about Iraqi prisoners who died will air on “60 Minutes II.”
The CBS newsmagazine (8 p.m. ET Wednesday) obtained the video diary of a soldier, whose name was withheld, talking about conditions at Camp Bucca and Abu Ghraib in Iraq, where Iraqi prisoners were held.
It was “60 Minutes II” that first aired pictures two weeks ago of prisoners allegedly being abused at Abu Ghraib, igniting a political tempest.

“We’ve already had two prisoners die ... but who cares?” the soldier says on the tape. “That’s two less for me to worry about.”

The tape reflects the soldier’s dislike for the prison camp and the prisoners, according to CBS.





There are going to be people that come back from this illegal war totally fucked up. We saw it in Nam and we’re going to see it here….civilian life will never be the same for some….

i wonder who their source is. this should be interesting.

If they shouldn't just quit? With Nick Berg's death, shouldn't we rest from attacking our own? Obviously this is some fucked up person, but does he represent the entire military? I just think it is beginning to sound risky.

What is beginning to sound risky? Oh yeah, the invasion of Iraq. I thought it sounded risky two years ago.

and yeah...no brainer re invasion risky...but are we cutting off our nose to spite our face with all this uneven press? Of course, this just happened today...I don't know, it was just so cruel what they did to that poor young man.

And yes, we are cutting off our noses to spite our faces in America. By continuing to support this administration and its illegal, immoral invasion and occupation of a non-threatening country, we are creating thousands more Osama bin Ladens everywhere in the world.

Apparently a group of them murdered that young man. Then again, it looks like he was most recently in American custody in Iraq, so it is possible that Americans murdered one of their own citizens, while dressed up as al Quaida.

couldn't resist...I didn't mean leaning...I meant that we are seeing non stop prison abuse pictures without relief.

Switch to Fox and you can watch Kobe Bryant and Scott Peterson to your heart's content.

Also, my local paper hasn't run any of the photos or any stories about them yet. They ran a story saying that our beloved leader was disgusted by them, but that's it.

Ok, found out...I spend WAY too much time on the internet :-) Funny it took me so long to find Democratic Underground!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

His son was getting ready to come home, but the government arrested him, and held him in prison for 13 days. The family evidently sued the government and he was allegedly released. He would not have been in Iraq to get kidnapped if his own government had not arrested him.

This is called facing the consequences of your actions--and this country should not be allowed to continue viewing this debacle as some sort of distant, sterile event. Time to show all the ugly shit that's been hidden away for months. ALL of it.

But, seriously, will the Middle Eastern countries see things the way we do? I have a real hard time believing they see it in the same way we do. Terrorists that is.

You know, not all middle easterners are terrorists. Here are a few random things you should keep in mind:

1. Our abuses over there have been reported sooner and more widely than anything we've seen stateside. They knew about this long before we did.

2. The terrorist groups and their propaganda machines are going to create stuff worse than this and claim it's the truth. What's true and isn't doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot to these folks, so whether we air something on 60 Minutes II doesn't really have much impact there.

3. You seem to think that the fact that the TRUTH is going to inflame passions over there, we should suppress it. That's one of the more heinous things I've ever seen suggested. This is more of the just-sorry-we-got-caught bullshit the administration has been pedaling--and it's a morally corrupt position. We did these things, we have to take responsibility for it and deal with the repercussions.

2. The terrorist groups and their propaganda machines are going to create stuff worse than this and claim it's the truth. What's true and isn't doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot to these folks, so whether we air something on 60 Minutes II doesn't really have much impact there.

And I really have to question your comment that "What's true and isn't doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot to these folks..." -- perhaps you don't mean it quite as racist as it sounds?

But, like I said, they have plenty of real ugly truth to use as ammo against us, so I don't think it's a matter of not caring about the truth. The truth happens to be why they are upset enough with us to become terrorists to start with. the only "freedom" of ours they hate is our freedom to throw our weight around across the globe, to the detriment of the world's people, and get away with it.

Truth matters only when it's convenient to them...kind of like it does with the bushies. It's hardly racist to point out that the opportunistic Sadr or the Al Qaeda recruiting branches have and will continue to manufacture information. I agree completely that we've given them plenty of ammo--but they'll come up with their propaganda with or without it.

Now, how you've taken my comments and gone off on a tangent about the root causes of terrorism is pretty baffling to me. You assume that I disagree with you, and then call me a racist--you're wrong on both accounts.

First, I did qualify that I meant terrorists not just middle easterners...geez...calm down! Heavens, who'd think something so simplistic? (I mean what YOU thought I suggested)

Your point number 1...boy, I'd like some sourcing there. I think we are transparent...hearings, cable news...I don't think they get that kind of information.

Point number 2...abso fuckin lutely...that's my whole point. They don't give a crap what we say or do...and we know big daddy asswipe isn't pulling out soon, don't we care that too much too often only spotlights our own?

Point number 3...I only want the truth...but let's be civilised. The troops aren't responsible for this...nor are citizens that just happen to be there. Don't you think that we haven't made that clear enough? I think we rant thru media outlets, internet sites, etc. The terrorists are on an entirely different wavelength from us. They didn't need the prison pics...they'd behead one of us for pure sport.

I just think we ought to be aware of it...never sacrificing the truth...NEVER. Hold the bastards accountable!

Try reading papers like the Guardian..The Independent...they get a lot more "transparency" than the naive sheep in this country do.

Why are you concerned with dramatic and frequent exposure of the abuse? This country has never been more in need of a moment of pause and reflection. This is torture, Nazi style, and we're the torturers.

And it's not just that one prison, you know. It's a system put in place by Rumsfeld with the direct approval of Dick Chenney which stretches from Cuba to Afghanistan. The men at the top knew what was happening at least since last summer and did nothing to stop it. Fortunately, they didn't count on digital cameras. If it weren't for the pictures and the frequent showing of them, this wouldn't even be an issue, and the US military would go right on torturing.

I hope they show the murder and child rape videos 100 times a day between now and the election. Bushco must be stopped and if that's what it takes to break through Americas collective sense of denial, than so be it.

but given the way bush's numbers are acting, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if that attitude was prevalent in certain circles within the military. remember we have national guard & reserves over there. and then there's those lawless you-cant-touch-me contractors who, i would venture, are probably the source of that hellboy attitude.

USA Today? Displayed on news stands across the country, a picture of an attractive young woman saying "Why don't they show pictures of the things they do to us?" People actually think there is justification for this shit.

Nick Berg is dead BECAUSE we tortured those people.

How many beheadings are you ready to accept on the grounds of not hurting the feelings of our soldiers?

Our soldiers know the torture increased their risk. We MUST prove to the world that we won't do it again.

Bush, however, as usual, is merely plastering some cosmetic goo over the disaster and hoping it will go away.

It won't go away, but George doesn't give a damn how many Americans are killed in this ill-planned, idiotically executed disaster.

Not as long as Halliburton can cash its check.

I gotta disagree with you there pal. It was a few individuals and of course, more in leadership roles. It all needs to come out. I just don't want to risk anymore young men & women to heinous deaths. I'm not NOT forgiving the torture of the Iraqi prisoners...but the response was devilish and cruel. Inhumane.

And I hate to be the one to tell you,
but our soldiers have known for quite some time
about the torture, not abuse, TORTURE, of detainees.
This from my nephew in Afghanistan- where btw,
the torture began with the rounding up of civilians
there. The majority of soldiers have been afraid to
speak out, but it has been common knwledge among them
for over QUITE some time.
BHN

military. And why should we try and sugar coat the situation and say things we don't mean? When we know the troops call Iraqis all kinds of names.

Is this what flamed means? I have only meant that our soldiers...guys, gals are being held responsible for things they didn't do. And this guy gets killed...I feel a lack of balance.

I'm just giving you my opinion as you gave me your.

I say bring the troops home immediately.

We definitely agree.

People like this that put a stain on our country need to be weeded out. They are terrorists in their own right and need to be condemned.

People like this that put a stain on our country need to be weeded out. They are terrorists in their own right and need to be condemned.

These young people were not monsters when they went to Iraq. Bizarrely poor leadership put them in untenable positions. You want to throw the book at the boys and girls next door, but leave the monsters who sanctioned the torture free and clear?

And that will satisfy you? It won't satisfy me.

therapy because of what Rumsfeld is making them do. Now we know why the suicide rate for soldiers in Iraq is so high.

tortures. '
This, after all I have read and watched today, makes me feel really sorry--sorry for how a troop, a human being can be trained to feel this way about other human beings who perhaps are being detained and even those who were mercilessly killed in shock and awe, talking llike this. I understand the mental attempts to save one's sanity by glossing over it in this way.

It is all so depressing--it was done on lies. OUr children were sent there with lies.

and now we have troops totally desensitized to the value of human life--innocent human life perhaps--in any event these prisoners have not been tried for anything as far as I know

this is really sad.

It's about f*cking time.

david

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You want CBS to show that?

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get CBS to air the video.

How on earth do you believe airing it will help bring democracy to Iraq?

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Do you want them to air it? Would that satisfy some urge you might have kicking around inside you?

Would that bring some measure of comfort to his family?

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I wouldn't have believed how sadistic they were until I saw them, but I can imagine a beheading without them showing it. We are not total barbarians just yet. It is odd how at first the flag covered caskets were too much for our delicate country to handle but now we need to see a young man being beheaded?

I have seen many posts that what I understood were saying this will help bush and his ratings? I don't understand why that would be though. I thought that this will be the last straw and people will just say get the hell out of there. I don't know, just sort of thinking out loud. Thanks if anyone takes the time to explain it. I don't know if it is a stupid question or not?

Although the military may classify that as well if people start to ask too many questions. Like why this man was in U.S. custody before disappearing from sight, only to emerge dead by the side of the road.

The main point is that Bush* set this evil into motion by invading and occupying a non-hostile country to begin with. Everything that has followed was easily predictable. Bush* is responsible for encouraging Americans, including our troops, to blame Iraq for 9/11.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq had nothing to do with Osama bin Laden.

:wtf:

They would have a cow at a beheading!

..in the media to stand up and start doing their damn job...

I say that it is long overdue...

'Two less for me to worry about'. Where are we, Buchenwald?

I’m sure there are those that went with “remember 911” tattooed on their forehead and couldn’t wait to get their first “notch” on their weapon and some of those will continue to be lost causes when they return. It’s hopeful that others in that grouping will return home with some new found clarity that was absent when going. But the most profound horror will be those that lose it while there and fail to readjust on return…

Not just no,

But HEll No!

That's what the black ops types and the mercenaries of CACI would like us to do.

They need to know we're coming for them and that throwing out some poor schmucks int he reserves isn't going to buy their asses out of the sling.

We stop when they're in prison and their corporation no longer exists.

let him hang.

i might even know him.

let him fucking HANG

Kurtz: Kill the savages. Kill them all.

But anyway, let's sum it up for the dim witted among us.

American life=precious

Iraq life=worthless and probable terrorist on his way to do the next 9/11.