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Aussie_Hillbilly Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 02:50 AM
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Hizb Allah condemns beheading
The Lebanese political group Hizb Allah has condemned the beheading of an American hostage in Iraq as an ugly crime that flouted the tenets of Islam.

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Hizb Allah said Berg's killing had diverted the world's gaze from an escalating furore over the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by occupation soldiers.

"The timing of this act that overshadowed the scandal over the abuse of Iraqi prisoners in occupation forces prisons is suspect timing that aims to serve the American administration and occupation forces in Iraq and present excuses and pretexts for their inhumane practices against Iraqi detainees."

The influential Lebanese Islamist group, which the United States deems "terrorist", said the executors' behaviour was closer to "the Pentagon school - the school of killing and occupation and crimes and torture and immoral practices that were exposed by the great scandal in occupation prisons".


I'm glad to see even other Islamists condemning Al-Qaeda's murder. Comparing them to "the Pentagon school" is a perfect way to separate Al-Qaeda from the public in the M.E.

Particularly coming from such a credible (to potential terrorists) source.

Guerilla war is ugly enough without tit-for-tat atrocities. Noone wants to see Iraq become another Palestine.
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Aussie_Hillbilly Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 02:50 AM
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1. Sorry, double post
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 04:59 AM
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2. Not surprising
Slaying is attributed to a guy who is EXTREMELY anti-Shi'ite.

http://www.saag.org/papers10/paper941.html

Many notorious Pakistani and Arab terrorists such as Ramzi Yousef, now in jail in the US for his involvement in the New York World Trade Centre explosion of February,1993 Maulana Masood Azhar of the Jaish-e-Mohammad (JEM), Fazlur Rahman Khalil of the Harkat-ul-Mujahideen (HUM) and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian, started their career as terrorists as members of the SSP and participated in many of its anti-Shia massacres in Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan. When al-Zarqawi, along with some other Jordanians, many of them of Chechen ancestry, came to Pakistan in the 1980s to join the Arab mercenary force trained and armed by the CIA and the ISI and used against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan, his passport gave his name as Fadel al-Khalayleh, which is believed to be his real name.
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Aussie_Hillbilly Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 08:06 AM
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3. I didn't know Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was once in Sipah-e-Sahaba
I knew Khalid Sheik Mohammed was. I read that UBL claimed he was disgusted by the sectarian infighting after the fall of Najibullah's regime and was anti-SSP. Uniting all Muslims against the infidel and all that bull. Your link (thank you) says Al-Qaeda and SSP worked together in killing Shia Hazaras. I didn't think Al-Qaeda even existed back then?

It's impossible to keep track of which terror gang is fighting which and who they are working with.

I pity the CIA.

Jordanians, many of them of Chechen ancestry

Is Chechen the same as Circassian? Relating to the Russo-Circassian war and the refugees settled in Jordan in Ottoman times? Or not? Trying to fill some gaps in my knowlege of history there. If so, might family tradition explain some of his anti-Russian fanaticism during the Afghan war and the kidnappings of Russian techs in Iraq?
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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:52 AM
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6. Chechens & Circassians
Sorta/not really. They're both North Caucasian nations that had fought off invaders for centuries, but are distinct nations all the same. In the Caucasus resistance in the early/mid/late 1800s, the Circassians held the western plains to the Black Sea, with the Chechens-Daghestanis in the center-east foothills down to the Caspian coastal plain. They fought bravely, and for many years successfully, but were divided and fell one then the other. After Imam Shamil's Chechen-Daghestani resistance finally collapsed, the Circassians fell a year or two after. Tens of thousands of both were driven out or massacred, settling all over the Turkish & Arab lands to escape--many also to Bukhara/Samarqand and what is now Afghanistan & Pakistan. The Circassian nations made out the worst from the genocide campaigns.

Ties between North Caucasus Muslim nations & Central Asia go back far, due to the import of the Sufi Naqshbandiya sect which played & plays a major role in the past & present resistance and culture. Under occupation, the Afghans took strength from the past example of Imam Shamil's Chechen-Dadghestani resistance and he is widely known as a great hero in the area.

The imperialist tendencies of the Russian state has earned it many enemies in the regions that border it to the south. One of the mistakes of past resistance to Russia was that they had never united against it, and a hundred small nations were easy to scatter and destroy. They, unlike most empires in the world, have learned from past mistakes and help each other, collectively gaining the epitaph of "terrorist" from the rampaging modern empires.

This reply of mine is officially aimless.. I'm not good at condensing, and if I said what I wanted to on the subject this would go on and on and on.. :)
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Aussie_Hillbilly Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:05 AM
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7. Thank you for your post.
Fellow history buff here. :)
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 08:07 AM
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4. they didn't condemn the murder
the condemned the timing.
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Aussie_Hillbilly Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 08:57 AM
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5. Not true
...an ugly crime that flouted the tenets of Islam.


In a statement on Wednesday the Lebanese Shia Muslim group said this act "has done very great harm to Islam and Muslims by this group that claims affiliation to the religion of mercy, compassion and humane principles".


Not much room b/n their denunciation and Bush's. I was pleasantly surprised. Unity in the face of this atrocity, or at least closer to it than I would ever have guessed.

I don't think Osama will be visiting Lebanon for a while.
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