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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:17 PM
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Iraq prison abuse a 'failure of leadership': Powell
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Iraq prison abuse a 'failure of leadership': Powell

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LONDON (AFP) - The abuse of Iraqi prisoners by US forces was caused by "a failure of leadership", US Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) said, while insisting this did not mean Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld should step down.

"It was a failure of leadership, something like that should never have happened," Powell said in an interview from Washington with BBC television.

Photographs showing violent and sexual abuse of detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad have shocked the world and prompted calls for Rumsfeld to take responsibility by resigning.

But Powell said that this was not justified.

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DAGDA56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:20 PM
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1. "Failure of leadership"...but not necessarily OUR leadership, he means.
I am so disappointed with Powell...I expected more from him.
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 08:00 PM
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12. I seriously believe that Powell has had a nervous breakdown
Everything points to it - the man is a wreck. He was so very honorable at one time. Now he rides the waves of scrutiny and defeat. What a way to go.

He must be needing more than Ambien to sleep at night after what has happened. Where did those trailers go anyway? What a nightmare indeed Mr. Powell. You broke it, now you fix it. Whoops, it cannot be repaired can it?

:nuke:
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 08:34 PM
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13. He's on the borderline of becoming unhinged
Edited on Thu May-13-04 08:34 PM by Politicub
His career is toast after November. Maybe he's kept awake at night by his conscience and it has driven him mad.
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 08:36 PM
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14. possibly so
I am quite serious when I say the man is now a wreck. The past couple of times I've seen him on television, he looks like he is ready to crack. Sad way to go.

Maybe he has already gone insane, I agree.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 09:18 AM
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:25 PM
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2. Somebody, anybody pass the popcorn
this infighting will be entertaining to watch

And for those who claim Powell is not damaging Chimpster,
I'd expect Powell to soon have other priorities.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 06:13 PM
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7. kick, I almost feel like it's the Powell Farewell Tour....
for some absurd reason.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:37 PM
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3. Bush/Cheney, A Failure of Leadership. It's the once trumpeted
"hands off" management culture nurtured by this Administration coupled with their blatant disregard for international norms and tacit acceptance of a command structure independent of oversight and control that produced this mess. They are responsible.

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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:45 PM
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4. Powell is a sniveling coward
What is the matter with him? I'll tell you -- the Carlyle Group got a hold of him in between the Bushes. He has his place in history now -- the most shameful moment of it. Ever. And I say that having read Howard Zinn.

I came across this shot that shows the real perpetrators. I cropped out the prisoner's behinds. We've seen enough of them, poor things.



http://www.wgoeshome.com

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 05:48 PM
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5. If Saddam Hussein was responsible for prisoner abuses at Abu Ghraib
Edited on Thu May-13-04 05:49 PM by TahitiNut
... when he was in charge ... also based on reports from Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch and the former prisoners themselves, then Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld are every bit as responsible for such abuses as they would claim Saddam was on the basis of exactly the same evidence!
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 06:01 PM
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6. Notice that he'll say that for BBC Television
For the simpletons in his own country, Powell will make no such declaration. And even when pontificating for the Brits, he doesn't draw the obvious conclusion that a failure of leadership means the leaders failed. No, it's something else. Now, what could it be???

Think, think.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 06:21 PM
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8. Colon
It is well known that he is leaving an vying the job of Pres.of the World Bank. bad tming on his part because that body has been accused of mis-handling around $100 Billion. He has disgraced himself by lying repeatedly for Bushco and now wants to clean up his image before moving on.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 08:37 PM
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15. It doesn't matter where he said it
As long it's recorded by the camera. What a great sound bite to use against Bush and his cabal.

I do wish he was making these accusations on 60 minutes, though. Maybe someday!
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 06:36 PM
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9. Neat Switch
From Brigadier to the top.
Rumy's name never came into the questioning of the report writer from the clips that I saw.

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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 07:17 PM
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10. If this were happening under Clinton, not only would the outrage be
directed at Clinton for the abuse,

BUT THE OUTRAGE WOULD BE THERE ABOUT THE FEMALE SOLDIER HAVING SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE, AND THE FACT THAT SHE WAS PREGNANT! PLUS, THEY WOULD BE CLAIMING IT WAS CLINTON'S BABY!
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pacifictiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 07:48 PM
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11. Powell is sort of between a rock and a hard place
To leave now with so many worldwide hotspots in tenuous balance, such as north Korea, I imagine he is loathe to leave because who knows if they wouldn't put another neocon nut in. On the other hand, by staying he has to continue to sell the cabal sanctioned party line - soldier mentality and all that. It seems to me he's saying just enough give an impression of disagreeing without coming out totally and saying it. It'll be interesting to see what he has to say after Bush is out of office.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 11:10 AM
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17. Why all the sympathy?
Edited on Fri May-14-04 11:12 AM by PATRICK
We should be harder than that on people truly responsible with eyes wide open- and with shady track records that bely both the admirable character we perceive and the legend of their accomplishments.

Powell helped cover up My Lai. At best this is just irony at work. Powell has allied himself with the Bushistas and is still allied with them no matter who suffers or what crime is committed. His office bestows no responsibility on him to go against that, in his mind.

Lastly, he is another unfit entity with vast ambitions, making his own moves in the communications field via his son, and constantly thwarted by the jealous enmity of the Cheney and ultra conservative faction whom he probably would dearly love to replace. Replace- not punish or drive out of the GOP coalition.

The crazies may be in charge but a worse danger lies in the ascension of such a man, or one with more charm and a blanker slate, to continue the general slide to disaster under corporate right wing fantasies standing in the way of progress necessary to the survival of billions- if not us all. Democracy and freedom would just be two sideshow casualties were we to continue this soft admiration of "good guys" like Arnold and Powell, two very weird hopefuls that would slide into power with a party that represents no one's best interests and madness. Morally and intellectually incompetent straw men against the foundations of American ideals.

Nitpicking against real men like Kerry who is not "star" material or dumb enough to attract the favors of our excuses is the flip side of this fatal glamor. We have to get real or we will cease to exist.
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