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Lori Price CLG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 03:15 PM
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Bishop steps into church, state fray
Bishop steps into church, state fray

Local Roman Catholics have heard. The question is whether they will obey.

Catholics are considering a pastoral letter from Bishop Michael Sheridan, head of the Diocese of Colorado Springs, in which he said Catholics who vote for a political candidate who supports abortion, euthanasia or illicit stem cell research should decline Holy Communion. The letter was published May 5 in The Catholic Herald, the diocese’s official newspaper.

Sheridan’s position is the most stringent any U.S. bishop has taken publicly this election cycle and has added grist to the national debate about politics and religion.

Sheridan's letter said in part: "Any Catholic politicians who advocate for abortion, for illicit stem cell research or for any form of euthanasia... place themselves outside full Communion with the Church and so jeopardize their salvation. Any Catholics who vote for candidates who stand for abortion, illicit stem cell research or euthanasia suffer the same fateful consequences. It is for this reason that these Catholics... may not receive Holy Communion until they have recanted their positions and been reconciled with God and the Church in the Sacrament of Penance."

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prole_for_peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 03:19 PM
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1. what about catholics who....
support the war with Iraq and the death penalty, both of which the vatican has come out against???
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 03:23 PM
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4. The vatican was only a little bit against those
they're willing to forgive an unneccessary war or two
if it gets abortion banned in the USA.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 03:22 PM
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2. I am Catholic...and the Bishop of my state does not agree with Sheridan
My bishop is a very wise and good man. I wholeheartedly agree with his opinion that God gave every human being free will "to choose"...and we will be judged in the end for our choices by a judge much wiser and all knowing than Bishop Sheridan.

I am glad John Kerry has not succumbed to the will of Bishop Sheridan who I believe is an outspoken evil man with a personal agenda.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:09 PM
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21. Mr. Bishop, I CHALLENGE YOU to deny communion to Arnold and Rudy
After all, Arnold, Rudy, Pataki, Ridge, are pro-choice.

Will you withold the sacrament from Andrew Sullivan, too?

Or does this only apply to Democrats?

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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 03:23 PM
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3. How Medieval of him
So, how about another Reformation?????
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 03:59 PM
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9. You mean Inquisition ?
That would fit in with some of the other things going on in the world.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:02 PM
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10. I think the Inquisition is alive and well
It's a Reformation I'm after..
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:06 PM
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11. Gotcha ! That would be good.
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 03:32 PM
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5. Time to tax churches that enter the political arena.
Our village has a large Catholic population and a large church, they get parking lot plowed by village, police crossing guards for Sunday Services. It is time to stop feeding the monster that would destroy our liberties.

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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:07 PM
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13. I agree with your proposition, whole-heartedly!!! n/t
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 03:37 PM
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6. Death penalty and war must be added to these lists or it's pure Republican
Tax the Republican Catholic Church activists.
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:08 PM
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14. I agree, if they denied Communion for Warmongering and the Death Penalty
Then I think they would have a leg to stand on. As it is, it's pure partisanship.
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 03:39 PM
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7. Exempt Tax Status should be challenged
If these bishops keep up with this crap, then the church's status as a tax exempt entity needs to be revoked.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:07 PM
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12. Excellent Point!!! We'll Be Running A Surplus In No Time At All
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kayell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 03:40 PM
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8. So, nothing about supporting candidates that start illegal wars or
advocate irresponsible positions that lead to torture. Apparently human life is only important when it involves cells that are unaware that they are human.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:14 PM
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15. So Mr. Bishop when are you going to boot the Mafia, or, at least,
deny them Communion rights? :eyes:


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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 04:29 PM
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16. Catholics should oppose pro-abortion candidates
They should oppose any politician who favors using the government to force mandatory abortion upon women who do not want them or doctors who do not want to perform them. Catholics should oppose anyone who advocates using the power of the state to take innocent human life by force. Fortunately, John Kerry is not in that category since he merely supports the primacy of conscience over civil authority. If early Christian martyrs hadn't felt that way, there would be no Catholic Church and we would all still be offering incense to the Roman Emperor.
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lupita Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 07:24 PM
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17. I stopped being a Catholic this week
The archbishop in Oregon said that poeple who publicly was pro-choice or
pro gay marriage could not receive communion. So, now I am done.
It was not my choice. As member of the executive board of the Democratic party, I feel they have excomunicated. I didn't leave, they kicked me out, and I am not going to change for them.

Lupita
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 10:59 PM
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20. Yes. Been there, done that. As a woman, I will decide and I've
had with these supposedly celibate men who know nothing about marriage, sex, children, family responsibilities, etc. tell women what to do with their sex lives.

I really think that because they are celibate they think about sex all the time and as a consequence, have become obsessed with it.

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ithacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:07 PM
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18. this Bishop has put himself outside full communion with the Church
not to mention outside the bounds of legitimate behavior in a secular democratic state.

Conservative clergy tried this kind of bullshit in Europe, saying anyone who voted for socialist or communist parties, who did not support fascist political parties, would be outside the Church.

It usually had little if any effect on those whose interests the socialists were representing.

This Bishop should be censured by the Vatican.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 08:21 PM
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19. Question: Why hasn't Bishop Sheridan condemned Bush for his War?
If he is a proponent of the Vatican's stand on killing and death.


"Is Pope John Paul II telling the world that if President George W. Bush goes ahead with his plans to invade Iraq without United Nations sanctions, the Catholic Church will consider Bush a war criminal?"


Pope John's words:

“A war would be a defeat for humanity and would be neither morally nor legally justified,” the Pope told Bush in a papal message delivered last week by a special envoy. “It is an unjust war.”

This leads even conservatives like John McLaughlin, host of the syndicated McLaughlin Group and a longtime supporter of both conservative and Republican causes, to have second thoughts.

“The Pope is saying an invasion of Iraq would be criminal,” says McLaughlin, who is also a former Jesuit priest. “A statement that strong cannot be ignored.”

As Bush and Secretary of State Colin Powell scramble for votes in their uphill battle to win UN Security Council approval for an immediate invasion of Iraq, the Pope’s words are creating growing problems for Bush at home.

the link is dated 3.10.03

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=15&num=1904

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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:17 PM
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22. Since a priest has to choose to be a priest or
a politician (cannot be both according to canon law). The bishop should keep his politics to himself or resign and become a politician.
As Christ said: Reneder unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-16-04 11:20 PM
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23. duplicate
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