Religious remarks hound general (Boykin, Cambone's #1 guy)

http://www.sptimes.com/2004/05/17/Worldandnation/Religious_remarks_hou.shtml

By SUSAN TAYLOR MARTIN, Times Senior Correspondent
Published May 17, 2004

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He said terrorists are trying to destroy the United States because, "We're a Christian nation." He told a Muslim warlord, "My God was a real God, and his was an idol." In speeches and comments, Lt. Gen. William Boykin has shown what critics say is a clear disdain for the Islamic faith. Now Boykin, a top intelligence official in the Defense Department, has been linked to controversial recommendations for prying more information out of Muslim detainees at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison.

At last week's hearing on prisoner abuse, a Senate panel learned Boykin had briefed his boss (Cambone) on a report that said military police should help set conditions for the "successful exploitation" of detainees. Some senators and others say the report could have fostered a climate that encouraged subsequent acts of physical and sexual abuse.

"I'm amazed, given that we have such horrible press overseas and are spending hundreds of millions of dollars for propaganda, that President Bush would keep somebody who is definitely anti-Muslim and who possibly is in charge of interrogations," said Yvonne Haddad, a professor at Georgetown University.

According to the Los Angeles Times and NBC, Boykin told a group of Baptists in Florida last year about a victory over a Muslim warlord in Somalia, who had boasted Allah would protect him. "I knew my God was bigger than his," Boykin said. In June 2003, he told an Oregon congregation that America could not ignore its Judeo-Christian roots. "Our religion came from Judaism," he said, "and therefore (Islamic) radicals will hate us forever."

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I remember when this happened. I thought he had been "disappeared" from the Pentagon. Hah! Looks like he got a promotion.

s_m

he just can't shed that reputation for enouraging atrocities and incompetence.

Go Figure!

The freeps seem to have no problem with his decisions there. Maybe he had another agenda in mind.

Military Intelligence is not a promotion.

Of course he should have been canned, but these days a transfer
to MI is not seen as a demotion or lateral transfer

Military intelligence.
Oxymoron.
Boykin (LOL what a name) fits.

bush* appointed him DOD Sec't of Military Intelligence .......Boykin wrote the orders for General Miller to be brought from GITMO to Abu Ghairb and "gitmotize" the prison!

1. There is no "DoD Secretary of Military Intelligence."
2. There IS an Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence (USD(I))
3. The USD(I)is Steve Cambone.
4. Boykin is Cambone's Deputy.

Cambone is Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence. Boykin is the DEPUTY Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence.

:7

... for Intelligence and Warfighting Support - DUSD(IWS). This is the arcanely titled authoritarianaism of guvmint. Boykin could have an Assistant Deputy UnderSecretary of Defense for Intelligence and Warfighting Support, too - ADUSD(IWS).

Here're the arcane titles in DoD ...

ADUSD Assistant Deputy Undersecretary of Defense
ASD Assistant Secretary of Defense
ATSD Assistant to the Secretary of Defense
DASD Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
DATSD Deputy Assistant to the Secretary of Defense
DUSD Deputy Undersecretary of Defense
PADUSD Principal Assistant Deputy Undersecretary of Defense
PDASD Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense
PDUSD Principal Deputy Undersecretary of Defense
USD Undersecretary of Defense

http://www.afa.org/magazine/march2004/0304DOD.pdf

He's about 10 centuries too late W/his rhetoric

you are right there!

the more extremist side of any religion should think long and hard about making such irresponsible statements and the venue in which they do so.

"My God was a real God, and his was an idol."

Hey, MORON, Muslims worship the God of Abraham. Jews worship the God of Abraham. Christians worship the God of Abraham.

You can say the are wrong in their method of worship. You can say they are wrong to worship Mohammed. You can say they won't go to heaven.

But you can't fucking say they are worshipping a God who isn't real, because you then deny the reality of your own God. MORON.

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!

Refrain

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.

At the sign of triumph Satan’s host doth flee;
On then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell’s foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
Brothers lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.

Refrain

Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
Brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
One in hope and doctrine, one in charity.

Refrain

What the saints established that I hold for true.
What the saints believèd, that I believe too.
Long as earth endureth, men the faith will hold,
Kingdoms, nations, empires, in destruction rolled.

Refrain

Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
But the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
We have Christ’s own promise, and that cannot fail.

Refrain

Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
Blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud and honor unto Christ the King,
This through countless ages men and angels sing.

Refrain

pledging allegiance to the christian flag and drinking vacation bible school red punch.

It is as Christian as Bob Jones University and the timeless "Christian" justifications for slavery in early U.S. history.

Bizarre and as ignorant as everything else Boykin says.

Strict Islam forbids making representations of the natural world. They share this trait with Orthodox Jews. Mosques are beautifully decorated with geometric forms and calligraphy: "arabesque."

Muslims would call Christian church decor "idols." Crucifixes, statues of the saints, the Virgin, Jesus, are all common enough in Christian tradition -- but there are no statues of the Prophet Mohammed.

Hekate

The 4th Commandment specifically forbids it.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:


Yet, somehow, idiots like Judge Roy Moore want to display a graven image of the 10 commandments in his courthouse. So he wants to display a graven image of his holy document which forbids him from making graven images. Hurts your head, don't it?

...except for an unadorned cross. The early Protestants were true iconoclasts who broke up the "idolotrous" statues of the Roman Catholic church.

I've noticed, though, that a lot of them have a painting or print of Jesus around.

And yeah, when folks like Moore and Boykin get to blathering it can cause a bit of a brain cramp.

Hekate

I think most interpret it as meaning 'you shouldn't worship any carved image' rather than 'don't create any images of anything that's on earth or in heaven'.

The commandment as originally written would seem to prohibit paintings, photographs, statues, etc. Even a cross is a 'graven image' in that respect.

Just to set that straight. The prophet was a man, no more than that. We only worship "The God" or Allah in arabic, the God of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus... All of whom we also revere, but do not worship.

always thumping his bible trying to convert Sadie Tompkin while lusting after her. Think he killed himself in the end. Boykin is so ghoulishly creepy, I wouldn't be shocked if the directive for the sexual nature of the abuse came directly from him.

"Boykin routinely told audiences that God elevated George W. Bush to the presidency. “Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him,” he would say. “I tell you this morning that he’s in the White House because God put him there.”
"The enemy will only be defeated, he added, “if we come against them in the name of Jesus.”

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=William_G._Boykin


William G. Boykin

United States Army Lt. General William G. "Jerry" Boykin is nominated by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld for a third star and has been named to a new position as Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence. He reports to the current Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Stephen A. Cambone.

Because of Boykin's anti-Islamic remarks made frequently and publicly, his appointment is seen by many as likely to increase the perception among Muslims that the U.S. is engaged in a War on Islam. Indeed, Boykin's blunt rhetoric seems to evoke this directly. In describing the faceoff in Somalia:


"There was a man in Mogadishu named Osman Atto," whom Boykin described as a top lieutenant of Mohammed Farah Aidid.

"When Boykin's Delta Force commandos went after Atto, they missed him by seconds, he said. "He went on CNN and he laughed at us, and he said, 'They'll never get me because Allah will protect me. Allah will protect me.'

"Well, you know what?" Boykin continued. "I knew that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol." Atto later was captured.

"Our "spiritual enemy," Boykin continued, "will only be defeated if we come against them in the name of Jesus."
William B. Arkin reports that "in his newly created position, Boykin is not just another Pentagon apparatchik or bureaucratic warrior. He has been charged with reinvigorating Rumsfeld's "High Value Target Plan" to track down Bin Laden, Hussein, Mullah Omar and other leaders in the terrorism world.

"But Gen. Boykin's appointment to a high position in the administration is a frightening blunder at a time when there is widespread acknowledgment that the position of the United States in the Islamic world has never been worse.

"A monthlong journalistic investigation of Boykin reveals a 30-year veteran whose classified resumé reads like a history of special operations and counterterrorism. From the failed Iranian hostage rescue attempt in 1980 to invasions in Grenada and Panama, to the hunt for drug lord Pablo Escobar in Colombia, to Somalia and various locales in the Middle East, Boykin has been there. He also was an advisor to Atty. Gen. Janet Reno during Waco."

"He has described himself as a warrior in the kingdom of God and invited others to join with him in fighting for the United States through repentance, prayer and the exercise of faith in God.

"He has praised the leadership of President Bush, whom he extolled as 'a man who prays in the Oval Office.' ... 'George Bush was not elected by a majority of the voters in the United States,' Boykin told an Oregon congregation. 'He was appointed by God.'"

Most people can agree with at least half of this statement.


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Quotable Quotes

Lt.Gen. William Boykin, a Pentagon official on why Bush won despite losing the popular vote (USNews "Whispers", 27 October 2003): "He's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this."


Other Related Disinfopedia Resources

Operation Iraqi Freedom
Operation Iraqi Freedom II
Operation Iraqi Freedom: Beginnings of a Quagmire
Task Force 121

External links

"The Pentagon Unleashes a Holy Warrior", William B. Arkin, New York Times, October 16, 2003.
Will Dunham, Pentagon to Probe General's Islam Comments, Reuters, October 21, 2003.
Inspector General to Investigate General's Comments DefenseLINK, Oct 21, 2003.
Ann Coulter, Bush Official Caught in Church Dragnet, Yahoo! Op-Ed, October 22, 2003: "In an emerging scandal, NBC News has produced tapes proving beyond deniability that the new deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence is ... a Christian. Lt. Gen. William G. 'Jerry' Boykin has been captured on a series of grainy tapes, attesting to his faith at churches and prayer breakfasts. Having driven the Judeo-Christian value system out of the public square, the classrooms and the Alabama Supreme Court, liberals now want to drive it out of church."
GOP Senator Warner Calls for Holy Roller General to Step Aside
CAIR report on hate crime Baltimore Sun, May 4, 2004


all related Boykin links at provided here:

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=William_G._Boykin

What a scary, scary, creature.

He's the kind of guy that would love a little Kent State action at an anti-war Demo

LeMay was the foaming-at-the-mouth, anti-communist head of the Air Force under Ike, JFK & LBJ who actually launched a missile into the Pacific DURING the Cuban Missile Crisis to provoke the Ruskies.

He was ably sent up by George C. Scott in Dr. Strangelove.

No matter how crummy you are, because the crummiest one is at the top!



http://www.wgoeshome.com

Paul O'Neil and Larry Lindsey, for example.

Where did this guy go to school? Christ, I hope it wasn't West Point!

they spew off about.

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If the ads are strong enough, they might get free airplay. There are lots of decent Americans who are still willing to vote for Bush who would find Boykin's comments repulsive, unnecessarily antgonistic, and dangerous.

If ads containing Boykin's comments are shown, democrats can demand that Bush remove him. If Bush refuses, he loses some votes. If Bush removes Boykin, some of the Reich wing fundamentalists will go apeshit and become reluctant Bush voters or maybe even non-voters. It would be ideal if Bush first adamantly refused to remove Boykin and then flip-flopped and fired him.

The Bushistas need Islamic terrorists in order to have an enemy. Boykin, by promoting in public a Holy War view of America versus Islam, helps groups like Al-Qaida recruit. If the Bushistas haven't forced him out, it's because he's doing what they want him to do.

They struck me as a form of psy-ops to stir up the rapture mob to support the war as being in their interests. Of course the Bush administration was able to say nay after the meme had been introduced and produced its desired effect.

I even remember reading here on DU that Boykin actually wore his uniform while addresing fundie congregations.

Related musings:
Another angle of the neocon propaganda machine: I've noticed how the neocons use extremist mouthpieces to engage different demographics, with complete deniability:
1) Boykin for the fundie warriors
2) Limbough for the ignant flagwaving crowd
3) Coulter for all those fascinated by sexual ambiguity and the crypto-nazi aesthetic of well-healed fascism.

Three examples of how the real message of hate and conquest gets out.

I believe this done by design; concieved as sophisticated marketing techniques. I don't think anything happens by accident anymore. I'm a hardened cynic now thanks to everything that's happened since the 2000 theft of the White House.

:-(