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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 04:08 PM
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FBI Whistleblower Testifies That Government Scientist Lied About Bomb Crys
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAHWG3VFUD.html

FBI Whistleblower Testifies That Government Scientist Lied About Bomb Crystals

McALESTER, Okla. (AP) - A government scientist lied when he claimed that ammonium nitrate crystals found on Oklahoma City bombing debris had been embedded by the force of the blast, an FBI whistleblower testified Wednesday at bombing conspirator Terry Nichols' state murder trial.


Frederic Whitehurst, testifying for the defense, said an FBI forensic scientist he trained himself, Steven Burmeister, also lied when he testified that the crystals came from the kind of fertilizer believed to have been used in the bombing.

Whitehurst said there was not enough evidence to support either of Burmeister's conclusions.

"He is my student. And I trust him like a brother. But he lied under oath. He lied," Whitehurst said, appearing to grimace with emotion.

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 04:11 PM
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1. Does this mean


that there could or could not be related to Middle East terrorist acts?

I've always believe that Oklahoma tragedy has some ties to the Middle East.
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CaptainClark23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 04:26 PM
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2. or could it mean...
MIHOP? If a cover story is concocted, it usually is done to obscure some misdeed on the part of the concoctors.

too (and not to take personal issue with your statement), a horrible car wreck is a tragedy - a building being demolished with intent to kill is a crime.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 10:16 PM
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11. good point.
After watchin this regime it is becoming easy
to believe.

A good reason Ashcroft swept all the evidence under the rug as usual.

And where was Clinton?

I believe he was naive, vulnerable and taken for a ride on this case.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 06:54 PM
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6. Especially because the first reports about it...
listed John Doe #2 to be a very dark skinned person.
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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 04:41 PM
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3. Another one for the list, that we know about.
Lost In Translation
Edmonds says that the supervisor, in an effort to slow her down, went so far as to erase completed translations from her FBI computer after she'd left work for the day.


“The next day I would come to work, turn on my computer and the work would be gone. The translation would be gone,” she says. “Then I had to start all over again and retranslate the same document. And I went to my supervisor and he said, ‘Consider it a lesson and don't talk about it to anybody else and don't mention it.’”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/25/60minutes/main526954.shtml


FBI official charged with obstruction after concealing Ruby Ridge report
(Harp was in on this too and now he heads the anthrax cover-up.)
http://www.cnn.com/US/9610/22/ruby.ridge.final /


Busting the FBI
The Judi Bari verdict bares government lies and deceit
They found that six agents of the FBI and the Oakland police twisted a murder attempt against Judi Bari and Darryl Cherney, two Earth First! activists working to reform logging practices
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/31/news-kuipers.php


Fighting an FBI frame-up
An Earth First! member relates how she and Darryl Cherney were framed by the FBI for a car bombing that nearly killed them. The frame-up was one of a long series of events in the FBI's campaign against the environmental movement. It has been four years since Darryl Cherney and I were nearly killed in a 1990 car-bomb assassination attempt, then arrested for possession of the bomb
http://www.wildrockies.org/cove/news/62194nw.html


Did The FBI Destroy Evidence?
The FBI and prosecutors ordered the destruction in 1999 of evidence from a bank robbery they once suspected linked Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh to white supremacists who were threatening before McVeigh's bombing to attack the government, documents show.
The evidence included a surveillance videotape of a bank robbery by some of the supremacists that occurred in Ohio five months before the bombing. The FBI lab compared the tape to pictures of McVeigh, but concluded a match was "inconclusive," internal memos show.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/12/national/main540266.shtml



FBI Whistleblower Harassed
Special agent John Roberts says he was threatened, intimidated and humiliated for exposing what he said has become a pattern of misconduct at the highest levels of the FBI and that has gone unpunished.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/25/60minutes/main530750.shtml



FBI Meeting Called A Sham
A Justice Department investigation into a 1997 retirement dinner for former FBI Deputy Director Larry A. Potts said senior bureau executives used a sham conference at the FBI training academy in Quantico, Va., to justify using taxpayer funds for cross-country travel to Washington.
http://www.americansovereign.com/newsarchive/fbisham.htm



Phone records: Link from state official to FBI
Deputy AG reportedly sought federal aid to find missing Democrats
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dallas/politics/state/stories/...


The FBI is conducting an exhaustive review of each of its thousands of human intelligence sources to ensure the information they provide is accurate and that their relationships with FBI handlers are proper.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/28/national/main551346.shtml

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Earth Threatened, Wen Ho Lee Released
http://unquietmind.com/wenholee.html

Wen Ho Lee is Just one more example of FBI Misdirection. Many elements of the case are similar to Unabomber Charade. Together they are textbook examples of Government tactics on Black Ops.
http://www.unabombers.com/z23.htm

http://www.wenholee.org /

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FBI Agent, Turner, blew whistle on Ground Zero, 911, theft.
She says she immediately reported the problem to a federal prosecutor, then to her supervisor, and waited for him to act.
Two weeks later, after nothing apparently had been done, Turner seized the globe, bagged it as evidence and took it to Justice Department officials in Washington.
(She's being fired.)
http://www.msnbc.com/news/907004.asp?0cv=CB10

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Poll: 4 out of 10 Americans don't trust FBI
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001-05-22-mcveigh-pollstory.htm

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With defense lawyers stepping up challenges to genetic evidence, the Justice Department inspector general is examining the FBI lab unit that analyzes DNA in hundreds of cases a year after a technician was caught failing to follow proper procedure.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/11/tech/main543575.shtml

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FBI says it withheld evidence from McVeigh lawyers
http://www.cnn.com/2001/LAW/05/10/mcveigh.evidence.02 /

Nichols: FBI Withheld On Purpose
A lawyer for Terry Nichols, who was convicted as Timothy McVeigh's assistant in the Oklahoma City bombing, claimed the FBI may have intentionally withheld documents from defense lawyers and misled federal prosecutors.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/05/14/national/main291113.shtml

FBI report on agents released after long delay

An internal FBI report kept under wraps for three years details dozens of cases of agents fired for egregious misconduct and crimes, including drug trafficking, attempted murder, theft, misuse of informants and consorting with prostitutes.

The report, released Wednesday by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, found that about one in 1,000 agents was dismissed for serious misconduct or criminal offenses by the FBI during the period examined, from 1986 to 1999. The average was between eight and nine per year.

Although the numbers were small, the FBI’s attempts to prevent the report’s disclosure from the public and Congress since its completion in June 2000 is raising questions among FBI critics about an attempt to avoid embarrassment.

Grassley, a senior member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said in a letter Wednesday to FBI Director Robert Mueller that he was concerned about “a lack of response to the findings and recommendations, a general lack of support for the project and even efforts to prevent its completion.”

Grassley said the report “almost never saw the light of day.” It was only provided to lawmakers in July 2003, months after it was requested, and was accompanied by a Justice Department letter urging that it be kept confidential.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4312671/


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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 06:33 PM
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4. the fbi and the cia
has one Glorious history of making sure the evidence fits in certain cases.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 06:41 PM
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5. Maybe we ought to be focusing on the OSP these days instead of the CIA...
...the CIA is the outfit that's leaking information like crazy trying to get rid of those NeoCon idiots.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:18 PM
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7. This Is A Diversion (nt)
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:31 PM
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8. PNAC's first FAILED attempt. n/t
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 07:57 PM
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9. Oklahoma City figures significantly in both 9/11 and the Berg story.
Link to an active thread in GD that's compiling some interesting, disturbing stuff:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1625766&mesg_id=1625766
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-19-04 09:34 PM
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10. Berg sure did get around

With all due respect, Berg really was in a lot of places at the wrong time. For being such a happy go lucky guy something does not fit.

Just happens to be on a bus in Oklahoma,with a terrorist. Just happens to give him his computer password.

The authorities "just happen" to feel the need to question him on several occasions. This is so strange for such a happy go lucky smart guy who likes to hang out and drink beer.

Just happens to be friends with a friend of Wolfowitz. That in itself gives me the creeps.

Just happens to enjoy being in Iraq, against the wishes of his family, to explore, meet people and climb poles for his company.

Just happens to be in the White Chair scenario. Just happens to have terrorist that have the same build as some of the idiots that were with Pointy Girl.

Just happened to be captured and beheaded.

This is so strange for such a happy go lucky guy who just loved to travel to places like Oklahoma and Iraq and he is from Pennsylvania.

IMO, there just happens to be something fishy about this whole story.

:scared:
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:50 AM
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12. Crosslink to today's odd OK City news.
Did Nichols steal guns?
By JAMES BEATY, senior editor
Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:17 AM CDT

Neighbors of Arkansas gun show dealer Roger Moore doubt his claim that he had been robbed of guns, coins and cash in 1994 at his rural residence near Hot Springs, Ark.

*SNIP*


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1632679
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 03:42 PM
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13. BUMP for the PM folks. n/t
n/t
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