Iraq Deaths Don't Faze Military Recruits

Iraq Deaths Don't Faze Military Recruits
By MITCH STACY, Associated Press Writer

CLEARWATER, Fla. - Jordan Hunkin wants to be a Marine so desperately that he skipped his high school graduation this month to get an early start at boot camp. His recruiter had to pull some strings to make it happen: The slight 17-year-old wants to go straight into the infantry, qualify for Special Operations and become a sniper.

And if he is needed in Iraq, bring it on.

"I want to do my part," said Hunkin, who showed up at the recruiting office with his father on his birthday, the first day he could legally enlist. "I think it's our responsibility to the rest of the world to maintain order."

Despite a particularly bloody spring in Iraq for American troops and the fallout from the prisoner abuse scandal, business is still good for U.S. military recruiters.

Many recruits are unfazed by the flag-draped caskets coming home from Iraq since the surge of violence began April 1. Hunkin, for one, said he has "heard some stories" about combat over there, but is still ready to go.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040519/ap_on_re_us/military_recruiting&cid=519&ncid=1480

OR what?

The youth I see are totally avoiding the military.

Damn. What is real?

who thinks he's invincible. Must mean that there are hoards just pounding on the door of the recruitment offices.

No joke. At the mall or on campus, they set up recruiting tables and give out free t-shirts if you give your name and phone number. Then, the recruiters call up the kids once a week, get into personal coversations, and give "inspiring" and "patriotic" advice as to their future and career. Join the Army. Lots of 17-20 year olds are easily sold with these sales techniques.

,...is allowed into the schools. There has been a HUGE campaign to ensure that the exception (explicit written parental objection) is levelled against such a ridiculous encumbrance!!!!!

is about to graduate high school. There are a fair number of boys in his class who are enlisting in the Marines. I "chaperoned" a party he had last month, and couldn't believe just how gung-ho some of the little shits were.

Let's see how well these gung-ho recruits fight unseen dangers.

"Washington's insistence that depleted uranium (DU) munitions are not toxic has been undermined by revelations that four U.S. soldiers recently home from Iraq are suffering from radiation poisoning...

DU is prized by the military for its use in ammunition that can punch through walls and armoured tanks. The main problem, experts say, is that DU munitions vaporise on contact, generating dust that is easily inhaled into the lungs.

Several months ago a dozen soldiers from the National Guard's 442nd Military Police Company, stationed south of Baghdad, began suffering from dizziness, diarrhoea, blurred vision and other symptoms. Independent tests carried out by a New York newspaper found that four had high levels of depleted uranium in their systems.


http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=23515

from a hostile zips past their empty skulls and then the little shits will be shittin' big turds themselves.

OK. Lemme get this straight. They are raised on video games where you blast, shoot, burn strafe 10 creatures a second. Movies are violent killing orgies with an average of 150 rounds fired. Music is violent gang crap anti-everything "give em de gat, buss a cap in your ass"; crap.

And you are suprised that they might gravitate to a job operating a high tech weapons system in a sports team environment. As opposed to a min-wage job selling frys?

It is my understanding that the Marine Corps recruiting system is actually flooded with volunteers. In addition, re-enlistments among current soldiers are at an all time high.

Face it, America is a big violent mutha.

If you're reading that in the media or from a U. S. military website, that's exactly what they want you to believe.

The big question in my mind concerns whether or not they're managing to replace the casualties suffered in Iraq to date. If not, as I suspect, then they're actually losing ground.

The next question I have concerns the potential return of the draft. If the military is doing as well as they say they are in regards to recruiting, why is the draft being prepped to go live in mid-2005?

I too have read reports from seemingly reputable sources of high recruitment and re-enlistment numbers. But there are also reports of devious methods recruiters use to snare new recruits.

As the great Chuck D said: Don't believe the hype.

This is just crap...I am sure the lies going out to in-active reserves have more to do with the enlistment quota than brave 17 year olds?

After all, it would appear that he's a product of Florida public schools while Butthead, brother of Stupidhead, is running the state. As a result, he's probably not very s-m-r-t.

THEN HE WILL HAVE DIED FOR HALLIBURTON PROFITS (ERRR "FREEDOM")

Time will tell. It may be a ploy to take the heat off the idea that the draft is coming b ack.

Last thing the military wants is another Draft, I mean they can't be that stupid. It gets them recruits like I was back in '68. Remember?

If we had Vietnam-level casualty rates, this thinking would quickly fade. They honestly feel they are invincible, and not without any cause. They are able to kill many with little consequence. I suspect though, that this might change.

But add in the thousands of casualties with arms and legs blown off, or blinded, deaf and brain damaged and it is still substantial. I have read the body armor has prevented lots of deaths, but at the expense of serious injuries as described above. So, if you take 800 odd deaths and a couple of thousand seriously injured, that still gives a 2% chance of being killed or badly hurt over the course of a year, given present conditions. Not something that people should brush aside, although many young people will.

Hopefully they can be won to the truth.

If you actually believe the casualty figures reported by the Pentagon, in less than a year and a half we have already lost nearly twice as many dead in Iraq than we lost in eight years in Vietnam (1956-1964). Think about that.

<http://www.archives.gov/research_room/research_topics/vietnam_war_casualty_lists/statistics.html#year>

As far as the publicly reported numbers of dead, I think they're about 50% of the actual numbers. They are reporting very little in the way of the critically wounded that die after reaching the hospital complex in Germany, or are shipped to hospitals in the U. S. They are also under-reporting the number of wounded soldiers. Given the lethality of the weapons being used, and the types of weapons being used, I'm guessing the number is actually somewhere in the 10,000 to 12,000 range at this point in time.

He may end up marching through an Iraqi village getting sniped at. Is he going to be the sniper or the snipee?

He was in Afghanistan for about 6 months and "other Middle Eastern countries." Needless to say, he's a Bushbot. Also needless to say, I have very little to do with him. (Former military, he went "civilian contractor.")

isn't that another word for 'assasin'?

Always have had plain clothes guys. Air America mean anything to you. (not the Stewart Smalley show)

I don't want his brainwashed ass anywhere near me, Florida (BIG SHOCK) is not far enough way from here. I'd apologize to the Iraqi people for dumping off our garbage onto them, but they know how to handle people like him.

just curious.

Which can cause an intense allergic reaction.

half-cocked arrogant twit so desperate to be some place he's not wanted and see the head of somebody he's about to kill in his scope.. how does a person like that deserve to be treated? With respect?

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Some U.S. prison guards (a male and a female) smiling over the corpse of an Iraqi prisoner that their comrades had just beaten to death. You would quickly see that Americans are just as prone to act like animals as anybody else in the world.

I suppose next you'll be telling us that we're all traitors and what-not.

blowing children's heads and arms off was ok for us. We seem to know how to handle "them" pretty well too...

but I thought Napalm was out of the US inventory? I thought they went to things like CBUs, because they have wider coverage.

Particularly in al-Basrah.

they are not using the brand-name "napalm" they are using something that differs slightly in chemical composition

same as if you asked me for a Band-aid, and all I have is Curads, so I say "no I don't have any, sorry"

I'd be lying

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030810-napalm-iraq01.htm

US admits it used napalm bombs in Iraq

American pilots dropped the controversial incendiary agent napalm on Iraqi troops during the advance on Baghdad. The attacks caused massive fireballs that obliterated several Iraqi positions.

The Pentagon denied using napalm at the time, but Marine pilots and their commanders have confirmed that they used an upgraded version of the weapon against dug-in positions. They said napalm, which has a distinctive smell, was used because of its psychological effect on an enemy.

-snip-

The upgraded weapon, which uses kerosene rather than petrol, was used in March and April, when dozens of napalm bombs were dropped near bridges over the Saddam Canal and the Tigris river, south of Baghdad.

"We napalmed both those approaches," said Colonel James Alles, commander of Marine Air Group 11. "Unfortunately there were people there ... you could see them in the video. They were Iraqi soldiers. It's no great way to die. The generals love napalm. It has a big psychological effect."

I may be tempted to hang a few of them from a bridge, too!

perspective is the enemy of the right wing

,...the Iraqi people are as human as you are. They did NOT invite the tens of thousands of deaths and maiming that we inflicted upon them. They were NOT responsible for 9/11. They were NOT responsible for Berg's death. They were NOT a danger to our national security. They were NOT our enemies until we INVADED THEIR COUNTRY.

Maybe, you should examine your own head and heart and soul.

These people, these human beings,...are experiencing an OCCUPATION by a FORCE they DO NOT WANT in their country. We do NOT own them or their land. We should leave.

:eyes:

Not all of your points have anything to do with what I said, but answered in turn:--

Are you an American citizen?!

Yes, born and raised.

What are you trying to say?!

I thought that was obvious enough.. basically, that I instinctively dislike the little snapshot given of the person at the start of this piece. He is so arrogant and insulated from reality, perhaps he should be given what he wants. If he is so desperate to become cannon fodder and a sniper for the occupation army, let him learn the consequences.

Do you think it was OK for Nick Berg to be beheaded?

Where did THAT come from? There is much in the story there that I find puzzling and in-credible, but as for the carving itself that is a flat 'no'.

Do you think the Americans burned corpses hung from the bridge was OK, is that an example of them "knowing how to handle people like him"

An extreme case. In general, I don't give a damn about the mercenaries and profiteers. These parasites swoop in behind the tanks of the invaders to make a profit off of their false pretenses, and include sorts of people such as ex-Apartheid South African death squad members. For such types, there is no conceivable fate that they could find in Iraq that is undeserved (except the paycheck they receive for criminal activities provided for the occupation officials).

Do you sit back with your computer and just spout off crap like this without even thinking!

Absolutely not:--there was much thought put into it, and hesitation, second thoughts, revisions, etc...

If you really think that those animals that treat people like that are the way to treat Americans, you seriously need to have your head examined, seriously.

Agreed. Civilized people hire advertising corporations for spin control whenever bomb number B-13 lands in the "wrong" place. Those "animals" have much to learn about the business of war.

It intimidates the thoughtless, the recruited, the morons!!!

Meanwhile,....If find your mind,...VERY attractive!!!

:loveya:

:cheers:

What led Nick Berg to Iraq was a promise of democracy and rebuilding, not full out batallion assaults on mostly innocent people, it was and is a dishonest to our mostly fine young men and women over there who are asked to do these things. The least thing we can offer is honesty and all Americans have not had enough truth in this whole scenario.

:+ ;)

"Do you sit back with your computer and just spout off crap like this without even thinking! "
..yea I do

If you really think that those "animals", Iraqi people are animals eh

vs a guy who loves to kill ?

Do you sit back with your computer and just spout racist crap ?

Enlist and get a few kills for yourself.

A reasonable person (or someone with healthy self-preservation instincts) would not be clawing to go to the front of this war and kill away.

He is being encouraged to indulge some very bad fantasies. He is old enough to suffer the consequences and will.

Somewhere I am sure a 17 year old is enthralled and fascinated by heroin. Not too different.

During our freedom-giving invasion? Gee, 4 MERCENARIES burned and mutilated AFTER they were already dead from the initial explosion, and one civilian out to make some money, are a far cry from the thousands of women and children we killed and maimed so far.

look at this picture, and then take a wild guess why the Iraquis hate the Coalition

how many think the same I wonder.

I remember hearing a line just like this in a WWII movie, only it was said by an SS officer to his troops.

"I want to do my part," said Hunkin, who showed up at the recruiting office with his father on his birthday, the first day he could legally enlist. "I think it's our responsibility to the rest of the world to maintain order."

During the Vietnam war, there was quite a bit of effort made by the government and the media in order to keep from calling it that, "war".

It was sometimes referred to as a "police action".

I have never understood this point of view. It's just so obviously untrue. We meddle with other countries for our own gain. Hmmm... OK, there must be some exceptions to that principle; can't think of one offhand.

I'm sure this is something that his father has said many times.

How could a dad take his son / daughter to a recruitment office...especially under the present circumstances with Bu$hCo's fraudulent invasion? I will never understand this.

Good luck to this kid. And, I hope the father can live with himself if anything happens to his son. Even if he survives Iraq, when he returns home he'll never be the same.

:-(

order".

So this is order?

There has never been a time when counter recruitment was more needed. Our young people continue to buy the lies that recruiters tell. How many kids know that 65% of recruits never get any college help from the government? How many know that a third of enlistees get out early and that a quarter of them don't get an honorable discharge?

Unemployment is higher among vets than non-vets. Hell, all I learned how to do was call artillery fire. Find me a civilian job doing that?

..and this is looked upon very poorly by future employers. Would any young adult get a first job knowing that there is a good chance they will be fired and them have a much harder time getting a second job?

I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy." Arlo Guthrie, "Alice's Restaurant"

I just get more disgusted and more depressed with every passing day . . .

It was 1976 and I was 15. I had made some liberal friends who attended the local Unitarian Universalist Church which had a 'youth Sunday' every year where the kids do the entire church service.

I was awakened that Sunday morning by a friend already at church who knew that I knew some of that long story about being drafted and then rejected by the draft board for the crime of littering to illustrate the ludicrous ethics of the Vietnam-era draft.

I quickly finished memorizing it and my buddy played guitar while I recited this entire thing for the congregation who loved it, being the most liberal bunch of church-goers in America.

Unitarians are all ex-Catholics, Jews, Baptists, etc...Figures that in Austin, TX some hardcore Christian fundie just denied the UU's tax-exempt status as a church. Not sufficiently war-mongering and monochromatic, I guess.

Follow up facts: I became an audio engineer in Western Mass. near where Arlo Guthrie lives and I got to work with him. Cool.

But:
Now I'm working for three African American opera singers who do 'America the Beautiful' every show with a spoken tribute to the victims of 9/11 and "everyone who has given their life to defend our freedoms." The lead singer is a Vietnam vet and I'm trying to tell him that he's passing on the Big Lie that makes kids think war is a noble and meaningful thing to get into. He doesn't even want to hear it from me because he gets big tearful standing ovations as if it were a Nuremberg rally. I fucking hate it.

Kids like this 17 year old eager beaver believe this red-white-and-blue bullshit and it leads to bloody quagmires such as the present mess.

Even more complicated ethically:
These singers are performing in DC soon at an event the NAACP puts on to pay tribute to African American men 'of distinction' in the US military. I don't want any part of it. To be a person of color in the US military is like being a Jew in the Gestapo in my mind. I support what the NAACP stands for and revile what the US military stand for.

Doesn't make any gawddamn sense at all. Shit. Any input, y'all?

Look up, buy and listen to the FREEDA PAYNE song ca (1971)

"Bring the boys home". (ITS ON HER GREATEST HITS CD)

It was banned on Armed forces radio---It speaks to the BLACK MAN.

A lot of African-Americans have a big investment in the military in terms of family members. It's absolutely true that this stuff encourages kids to sign-up. It's also true that it's important that the US recognizes the tremendous contribution that African-Americans are making in the military. Interesting contradiction.

Arlo has a couple of other relevant songs. There's "When a Soldier Makes It Home", written at the time of the Soviet/Afghanistan conflict which reminded him of Vietnam, but relevant as ever today. The line, "they fly them in at midnight and unload the bodybags" springs immediately to mind. Then there's his brand new song, Back By Popular Demand. It's not recorded yet, but the last couple of lines as heard -

"And if those flames again were fanned
We’d get this country back by popular demand"

He's 17 years old. Just a couple of years older than my kid. Do any of you have kids? What would you tell your kid if he wanted to join the militaty? As a Dad, I would tell him that I was real proud of him and that I support any decision that he makes. I would tell him that him that by joining the military he is helping keep our country free. And that I love him very much - more than anything.

I have a son, and I told him if he joined the military at this point in time he was an idiot.I also told him that I loved him and that I did not want him coming back in a body bag, but I guess that wouldn't bother you too much? I'm a vet, I went to the Gulf and came back.

Killing Iraqis who had no intention of attacking the US isn't honorable, nor should it be equated with "keeping our country free".
I don't recall any Iraqis on those jets, Saudis yes, but no Iraqis, this means we should have launched an attack against Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. Those men that crashed those jets were Al Queda, who were being protected by the Taliban government of Afghanistan, once again nothing to connect Iraq.

In what way would he be keeping our country free by being in Iraq, I keep hearing this byline, "the American military is keeping our country free". Free from what. I must have been sleeping when the Iraqi air force dropped bombs on New York and Washington D.C., or was it the assault landings along the California and Texas coastlines that I didn't hear about in the news. Maybe it was how the Iraqi navy with their fleet of battleships conducted a pre-dawn raid on Miami?

At exactly what point would he be keeping us free?

What keeps us free is defending the Constitution, and what it stands for. Now if your son will defend that document, then he is helping to keep our country free. You might want to know that part of the oath is to support, defend, and bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution, no where do you swear allegiance to the President.
You only promise to obey him, but if obeying him makes you go against what you just swore allegiance to....you decide which is right.

By the way there is nothing in the US Constitution about attacking another country without just cause.

Found this on the internet...


The Troops

You must support the troops. They are not guilty of anything because they have superiors who are suppose to take responsibility. And, you must never blame the troops. They are good boys and only do bad things because somebody told them to. If you blame the troops it means you have never been in a war and don't know anything. Only people who have been in a war have the right to say what's right and what's wrong. Only people who have been in a war can judge the troops. The troops are in Iraq doing the best they can and if they torture or sexually abuse anybody it's because they are only doing their best. Anybody who's been in a war can tell you that. The troops must be supported at all costs. They are the true heroes of this conflict and don't need anybody who hasn't been in a war saying any different. If you have never been in a war then you have no business judging the troops. They are America's best and brightest and always do their best for each other, Bush, and their commanding superior. So, if you decide not to support the troops because some Iraqi's got tortured or sexually abused, then you don't know anything and have probably never been in a war. -the troops

"The troops are in Iraq doing the best they can and if they torture or sexually abuse anybody it's because they are only doing their best."

At some point did you NOT say :wtf:

If the shoe was on the other foot and we found out the Iraqis did this stuff to U.S. soldiers, I'm sure you would be running around the Net telling people they have "no business judging" what goes on.

I'm sorry, but these sick fucks who have renounced any shred of humanity by engaging in such atrocities — whether ordered to or not — are certainly not what I would consider "America's best and brightest."

If that's what we have to offer, upon what moral high ground do you suggest we mount our campaign to make the world safe for freedom and democracy.

Maybe a few years ago this would not have been such a bad thing. Wanting to join to be a sniper and kill Iraqis is a lot different than joining a peacetime military where you might actually learn a good skill.

RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN AWAY FROM THOSE WHO WANT TO PROFIT FROM YOUR KILLING AND POSSIBLE DEATH!

I have a son. If he joined the military (he's five, so he's not in danger of that yet), I'd tell him in no uncertain terms exactly why I think the military is to be avoided.

I'd use the illegal wars fought by the military over the past few decades as a starting point.

I maxed out on the AGCT and had my pick of any job in the MOS book. Being of sound mind with a well-honed sense of self-preservation, I became a Communications Center Specialist -- essentially a military Western Union operator.
If you, s70, want to tell me I was helping keep our country free, that's great -- but the truth is my dad (a Korean War Counterintelligence veteran from whom I got my sense of self-preservation) said that the United States was just finishing up one war (Vietnam, in my case) and wasn't likely to get into another one for at least five years. He suggested I should go in while the going was good.
It worked out just so. I tapped-tapped-tapped out all of 1974 and 1975, along with a goodly chunk of 1976, as a first-class private in a second-class Army.
My service wasn't heroic, it wasn't particularly interesting, and the only blood I shed came from the occasional paper cut.
But this kid wants to be a Mean Green Gyrene. He wants to be a Marine sniper and keep order in the world through the expedient of blowing brown people's heads off.
I won't comment further on that, except to note said brown people shoot back and that I believe his motivation comes as much from trying to prove he has a hairy scrotum as from any urge to "keep our country free." I wish the kid good luck with all of it.
Yes, I have two daughters, both grown. I also have a nephew currently in the United States Air Force. He helps keep the country free by fixing aircraft hydraulic systems at Dover AFB, Delaware. Like my service and my father's before me, it's probably a pretty dull job but, with one kid at home and twins on the way, that's the way Ryan likes it.
I hope this kid knows what he's doing, but experience tells me he doesn't have the first clue. Experience also tells me that Macho Boy has roughly a 50-50 chance of even getting through boot camp (let alone qualifying as a sniper), so I'm not going to get too misty-eyed about his service to our country quite yet in any event.
John
Been there. Done that. Got my DD-214.

Helping keep your country free? Can you name any US military activity recently that is achieving that?

Some people have a bizarre notion of "free" - how does attacking other people make you free?

out of his house.

" His father, Thomas, said: "I've suggested other roads, but I think he has a real good handle what he wants to do and what's coming." wink wink

This article is absurd!

so did John Muhammed. The kid just wants to kill people, and do it legally, let's just admit it. Our country is not under threat, it's not about "protecting" the U.S.
He just wants to kill people. Period. End of story. In other words, the kid is a psychopath. Whats a kid to do if he wants to kill people? Shoot up his school, become Ted Bundy, or become a sniper.

...and fun to play in the video games too.

Plenty went crazy after the war was over.

Sniper school has a very low completion rate, something like 10% or so. The other 90% don't have what it takes and are tossed down with the other infantry to do the front-line work.

... becoming a target for his more successful equivalents on the other side ...

Not so cool when you play the headless guy in the video games is it?
Now think of that next time you hit "Restore from saved game".

He probably figures being a sniper will keep him a nice safe distance from danger.

He will be singing a different tune!

Many of the "kids" that went to war last year are now either dead, wounded, maimed, or have terribly psychological scars from their Iraq experiences.

Military recruiters should not be allowed to exercise such influence on people that are still so immature.

Who voted for No Child Left Behind?

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I agree with this part:

> lousy pay, so-so food and the travel accomadations (sic) suck

and also this bit:

> the majority of our troops do their job well and honorably

but you blew it with the bullshit at the start of your post:

> the military is over in Iraq fighting for you and your freedoms.

Wakey, wakey kiddo. Time to get up and go to school ...
(I can't believe that any rational adult still claim this to be true.)

BTW, before you whinge, both of my parents were in the Air Force and
both of my grandfathers were in the Army. They knew the difference
between fighting for freedom and fighting for someone else's profits.

Nihil

The job of the military is to defend the freedoms of this country. The politicians may use them in various other ways, but that is the basic tenet of the military. If you don't believe that, go ask your grandparents. As I said, if you want to blame somebody, blame the politicians that put them over there, but give our guys in uniform the respect that they deserve.

Or you'd know that the job of the military is to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies both foreign and domestic, and to bear true allegiance to the same.
Saudis knocked down the World Trade Center. So why aren't we at war with them -- other than dirty Bush business connections going back decades, I mean?
John
I was a guy in uniform, and I don't need you lecturing me on what the military's job is or whom I am supposed to respect. If you're so fired up on the subject, why don't you go earn a uniform, grab a rifle and stand a post?

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> The job of the military is to defend the freedoms of this country.

The earlier quote from the Oath notwithstanding, the job of the military
is to obey orders. The job of the *administration* is to defend the
freedoms of the country.

In theory, an honest administration would be able to provide appropriate
orders, the honest military would obey them and the country would be
safe (and very grateful).

In current practice, the corrupt part of the administration provides
illegal & self-serving orders, the cowardly part of the administration
sits still & quiet, the higher part of the military passes orders along
(albeit with occasional protests) and the corrupt part enjoys obeying
them.

None of the above defames the (vast majority) of honest, loyal and
good soldiers, sailors & airmen - the people who deserve (and get) our
support - so don't go off on another "liberals hate the military" jag.

In answer to your comment, I cannot ask my grandparents directly as
they are dead. I can (and have) read their words on the subject and
heard their views as passed down by their children. I have also asked
and listened to my parents on the same subject. I have also discussed
this with friends and neighbours who are ex-services (Navy & Army).

Try listening to something other than Fox for a while.

At this point, there is no excuse for new recruits not to know what awaits them. Exxon thanks you for your loyal service, Jordan.

that's a bit harsh....

There are in every society PATHOLOGICAL KILLERS, BUMS and BULLIES--

about 18 months ago on one of these threads I pointed that out. I was attacked and ridiculed (by at least 4 MORANS) FOR NOT SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.

Those assholes who trashed me are NOW NO-WHERE TO BE FOUND.

THEY WERE AND ARE MILITARY CRIMINAL JOCK SNIFFERS

is likely to end up on another website, used to show how much Democrats hate the troops. What's the goal here? To defeat Bush, or to make ourselves feel good?

ie: obviously not even the Marines can accept wannabee psychopaths like this kid. He should get a job working at the chicken processing plant. There are a lot of hens there he can " show his talents to"

Wait till he finds out it ain't like the video games he's used to.

Julie

Tough question.

What a disgusting puece of propaganda!

if they want to go that bad, because I sure don't want people like that living in my country anymore. Then, if he does manage to make it back in some form, maybe he'll appreciate what a moron he was at the ripe age of 17.

But somehow I don't. Let that stupid sonovabitch learn the hard way what it mean to be an Imperial Soldier (as opposed to those of us who served during the Days of the Old Republic).

Let him REALLY KNOW what it's like to be a piece of shit cannon fodder, which is EXACTLY what his new Bushevik Masters think of him and the rest of us Filthy Little Nobodies who served (and all the Filthy Little Nobodies who didn't, for that matter).

I have sympathy for the guys who joined during the Days of the Old Republic, I have sympathy.

For this guy...NONE. He is joining the Imperial Amermacht knowing what it is.

I don't care that his patriotism is being abused by monsters.

Screw him. Let him pay the price for his ignorance and gullibility (though please don't construe this to mean I wish him harm, I'm just talking about learning the moral sewer that the Amermacht is becoming under it's Imperial Masters).