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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:46 AM
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Sanders Says U.S. Needs Exit Strategy
Rep. Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont, is criticizing the Bush administration for not having an exit strategy in Iraq. Sanders points to the U.S. death toll and rising anti-American sentiment in Iraq.

"President Bush has got to develop an exit strategy as to when the Iraqi people will really be allowed to govern themselves, when the UN and the international community will be helping rebuild Iraq and, most importantly, when our troops will be coming home," says Sanders.

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=1881726&nav=4QcSNGsH

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 12:50 AM
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1. "Stay the course" is the Iraq mantra from both major parties
Our failure as a party to call for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq will not prevent America's inevitable defeat, but will assure that more names are added to a future war memorial to the fallen in this misguided and criminal war.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:01 AM
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2. Well, since almost everybody went along willingly ...

most of them can't call for an immediate withdrawal without admitting they were wrong in the first place. x(
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:07 AM
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4. Our failure to admit error is what kept us in Vietnam so so long
We can expect nothing but bad things to come out of our inability to let go of our imperial dreams and the silly notion that somehow America is "special" and uniquely "blessed" by the Almighty.

We can also expect more condemnation from all over the world, including from some of our former allies.

Published on Wednesday, May 19, 2004 by the Independent/UK

Power and Vainglory: Iraq Isn't Another Vietnam - It's Much Worse

The images of abused prisoners demonstrate not just American depravity, says the philosopher John Gray, but the folly of waging war as a moral crusade

by John Gray


Misguided from the start, the war in Iraq is spiraling out of control. Any legitimacy the occupying forces may ever have possessed has been destroyed, and there are signs that Iraqi insurgents are coming together to mount a movement of resistance that could render the country ungovernable. With even more damning images likely to find their way into the public realm in the near future, the United States is facing an historic defeat in Iraq - a blow to American power more damaging than it suffered in Vietnam, and far larger in its global implications.

The inescapable implication of currently available evidence is that the use of torture by US forces was not an aberration, but a practice sanctioned at the highest levels. Undoubtedly there were serious breaches of discipline, and the blank failure to understand that they had done anything wrong displayed by some of the abusers does not speak well for the levels of training of sections of the US military.

Abuse on the scale suggested by the Red Cross report cannot be accounted for by any mere lapse in discipline or the trailer-park mentality of some American recruits. It was inherent in the American approach to the war. American military intervention in Iraq was based on neo-conservative fantasies about US forces being greeted as liberators. In fact, as could be foreseen at the time, it has embroiled these forces in a brutal and hopeless war against the Iraqi people. From being regarded as passive recipients of American goodwill, they are now viewed as virtually subhuman. If, as seems clear, British forces are innocent of anything resembling the systemic abuse that appears to have been practiced by the Americans, one reason is that they do not share these attitudes.

The resistance mounted by the Iraqi insurgents can be compared to the anti-colonial liberation struggles of the 1950s, but the closest parallels with the intractable conflict now under way are found in Chechnya, which remains a zone of anarchy and terror despite the ruthless deployment of Russian firepower and the systematic use of torture for more than a decade. It was the prospect of an intractable guerrilla conflict that led many soldiers in the Pentagon to express deep reservations regarding the war. When the civilian leadership launched the invasion of Iraq, US forces were plunged into a type of conflict for which they are supremely ill equipped.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0519-12.htm
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:20 AM
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6. Agree 100%.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:04 AM
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3. Bernie, bush isn't going to do anything of the kind
What's with this weak sideline advice from this guy? The advice should be directed towards the american people to get together as a team and vote the bastard out. It's the only way things are going to change.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 01:14 AM
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5. stay the course,
stay the course,
stay the course,
stay the course,

stay the course,
stay the course,
stay the course,

Yeah.
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