GI: Boy mistreated to get dad to talk

military intelligence analyst who recently completed duty at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq (news - web sites) said Wednesday that the 16-year-old son of a detainee there was abused by U.S. soldiers to break his father's resistance to interrogators.


The analyst said the teenager was stripped naked, thrown in the back of an open truck, driven around in the cold night air, splattered with mud and then presented to his father at Abu Ghraib, the prison at the center of the scandal over abuse of Iraqi detainees.


Upon seeing his frail and frightened son, the prisoner broke down and cried and told interrogators he would tell them whatever they wanted, the analyst said.


The new account of mistreatment came as Army Spec. Jeremy Sivits was sentenced in Iraq to a year in prison Wednesday and a bad-conduct discharge after pleading guilty in the first court-martial stemming from the abuses at Abu Ghraib.

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US out of Iraq now.

please end this...

This out-pour of horror is too much for my tender heart.

:cry:

:wow:

This poor man probably just made up stuff to save his son. The US needs to be invaded and leberated. That's how bad this shit has become!

"The US needs to be invaded and leberated."

Hasn't this fiasco shown conclusively enough that foreign invasions don't work?

cripes, man. It is our country (or at least mine, can't speak for you), we don't need anyone to take it back for us. Have we gotten so fucking lazy and complacent that the solution is to wait for someone else to come and fix it?

Pardon the vitriole, and don't take it personally, but something about your statement really raises my hackles. Its just this sort of laissez-faire thinking that got us into the cluster-fucked position we are in now.

The amerikkkan sheeple are just like the "good Germans" during Hitler's era - THEY still support bunkerboy despite all the evidence to the contrary.

I am afraid there WILL come a time in the not to distant future, when the rest of the world will have the return the favor and rescue us from our own idiots in charge.

It is YOUR thinking that keeps us in this mess.

The world, this nation,...is not THAT out of control.

Breath.

Believe.

Be in a process that is unfolding.

Don't fall off a cliff *smile*.

And your references to the Germans of the Third Reich are quite obvious.

But I'm having trouble understanding the rest of your sentiment.

How exactly does my line of thinking (i.e. collective responsibility and initiative towards an end of influencing and changing the government of the nation we are citizens of) work towards perpetuating this situation?

Do you seriously suggest that our only recourse is foreign intervention? I concede that we will need the help and support of the rest of the world, but foreign invasion for our 'betterment' would simply be exchanging one form of control for another, no?

Please clarify for me if I've misunderstood your position.

Out votes are blocked or not counted, and the insane still control our country.

At some point, no matter WHAT our individual and collective efforts, we are not able to rid our country of such vermin.

The outside world are soon becomming our only hope.

We surpassed that point in 2000 - this election might be our last chance.

I think I am being perfectly clear.

Torture the children in front of their Parents.

To get them to disclose where THE JEWS are Hiding.

We've been complicit in these practices for decades in Latin America.

Whole generations of Despots, Thugs and Criminals were trained to do this, by the US in the name of fighting KOMMUNISM.

via the School for the Americas?

Torture Academy.

Hey, my dad taught at that school for three years back in the late 60s. We all lived in Fort Gulick, I was just starting kindergarten then. We used to have all of these Latin American officers over to the house a lot. Some probably became leaders, others have probably disappeared. Anyway, I was just a kid and totally clueless about it back then.

And btw, welcome to DU :)

the monsters we are fighting - actually no, I think we have become worse.....

that we've probably only seen or heard of about 1% of what actually has happened . . . when I read this stuff, I don't know whether to cry or throw something . . . I'm so totally disgusted with this administration that I can't even put it into coherent sentences anymore . . . I want off this bus, and I want off now . . .

,...and of what is happening. This neocon leadership covers up EVERYTHING their tyranny has imposed.

I am in complete mourning. Breaking a cup or dish or lamp doesn't relieve my emotional reaction to these atrocities anymore. I am in full-blown mourning.

:cry:

I am ashamed and humiliated and disgraced as an American.

strike again.
and of course miller, sanchez, etc. will get no mud on them.

Upon seeing his frail and frightened son, the prisoner broke down and cried and told interrogators he would tell them whatever they wanted, the analyst said.

Shit like this is probably how the army gets their "good intel" about alleged safe houses which prompts them to massacre wedding guests.

THIS is the part of the story not getting proper coverage ( none of it is, but this aspect is almost being ignored)...

If there is any part of the torture story that NO ONE...freepers, neocons, the general public, etc, ... can justify or defend, this is it. we are torturing children in front of their parents!

Several months after the start of gw2, i read a couple of short paragraphs about us "detaining" wives, children, parents of prisoners to try to get them to talk, and also relatives of those "wanted" to try to get them to surrender. NO OUTCRY...not in LTTE or even here at DU (to any extent). It was ignored.

Now, finally, the truth is out...we aren't just detaining them, we are torturing them.

held

We have to get out and the UN/NATO has to take over. We have lost ALL credibility in Iraq and around the world.

The act of a "few" soldiers (under direction of the Pentagon/CIA) is endangering the lives of all soldiers over there, as well as our lives over here. I guess Rumsfeld thought that this will never see the light of day.

A Thank YOU to the Patriots who made sure that America knows what its Government is doing. Shame on those Traitors like Rumsfeld, Bush, and Cheney (just to name a few...there are so many of them) who are betraying America and our Democratic values.

On Edit: It is not only endangering our lives...it has made the lives of thousands of Iraqis a living hell.

The UN/NATO won't touch Iraq with a 10 foot pole. And rightfully so. We have a tyrant dictator for a leader, who thinks (with little thought) that he is the God Almighty. He can conquer all. But he too, like those before him "shall have a heavy fall"!

Tell me this is a fraternity prank. My God.

Except to weep...and get angrier.

Eventually, I fear the anger is going to take over, and I'm not going to be able to look upon anyone as a human being who even passively supports this insanity.

same as the old boss.

Didn't our former ally/brutal dictator Saddam Hussein use similar tactics?

...I believe it was from someone in the "Sure, what Bush did is bad, BUT let ME tell YOU about WHAT SADDAM DID!!!" crowd. :crazy:

Hearing it made me feel soooo much better. Really. :eyes:

little kids" (??as if a consolation to the atrocities:shrug: ??)

The dude (single, well-paid professional)was also looking for: an intelligent, foreign born, English speaking, gorgeous, church on Sundays lady who wanted to have "lots" of kids. (I wonder what planet he was living on.? FR?)

says that he was tortured by both Hussein and by the Glorious NeoConLib Endeavor, and prefers Saddam Hussein...

And I think that's amply proven by the news these last 2 weeks.

It doesn't surprise me. This is standard operating procedures. That's the problem--it's systemic.

Are none of them concerned about this

They have seen these pictures and allowed the NEOCONS TO hide them from the REST OF US.

It's about time they take responsibility for all the harm and criminal activity.. and about time The House of Representatives call to Impeach the lot of them!

I don't broad brush Sharon & Likud against Israelis. I don't broad brush OBL against the whole Islamic community. I don't broad brush Jerry Falwell's extremism against all Christians.

"Governments", "Nations", "Religions" do not do evil,...PEOPLE do.

Certain people do evil,...not "notions" or "beliefs" or "objects". Particular PEOPLE do evil!!!! Have we learned NOTHING from history?

because he never learned any history. That's what we get for electing a non-inquisitive/unintellectual president that is only interested in reading the sports pages and news articles that praise him. Like a recap of his own speeches.

on, it's all good. Unfortunately.

He's been planning this for a long time.

If you're not a Republican, you are a potential threat.

Why do you think he's gone before the SCOTUS to broaden his EX powers..

He wants to be able to declare you an enemy combatant on his say so alone. Also he will have the power to have you picked up from your domicile, or your place of work, and shipped off to NC for processing...no attorneys, no right to councel..yer just gone until you are assigned to a camp somewhere in the country.

As far as I'm concerned, Iraq is just the practice run...

He has hired all the Independent mercenaries. They're ready to go to work. All Bush needs is the go ahead from Scalia. A decision is supposedly forthcoming in July...After all this... Bush shouldn't even be in office in July, nevermind another coup!

I wonder whatever happened to him?

3 people have no problems believing he would & could. The other 2 don't want to think about it.

I'm one of the 3.

about the war crimes treaty and are pressing for another year-long exemption.

At what point do we get to impeach these bastards and then throw them in jail!?!? :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

And I'm sure there's no chance that the child we did that to won't grow up to be another terrorist. They truly are opening the gates of hell. Who knows what horrors will be unleashed upon us because of what they have done.

this ain't the country my father served in ww2 for. it's not the one i was raised in. corporate greed backed by a govt that tortures kids.

in the last 5 minutes, i've typed a whole bunch of things that if i submitted would get me whisked off to an undisclosed location. which, in itself, would prove their point.

i wash my hands of this stinking government.

...that is sooooo russian mafia.

About the only acceptable excuse for doing something like that would be nuclear bomb ticking to go off in a major city. In other words, something out of the show "24", and we all know that Iraq does not have the ability to produce such a threat.

way of life.

Everything I've written is documented and true.
If you don't think soon you will be jailed for dissent
than I advise you to do a little reading on your own.
You can begin with the Executive Orders then mosey on
down to petitions before the Supreme Court involving
Bush and his request to broaden his authority.

for now:

http://www.nlg.org/eccases/

They knew-
I repeat THEY KNEW and allowed
these things to be done in our name.
They must go- ALL of them.
Sgt. Provance and Josh White are
names that will go down in history.
If any legal action is taken against Provance,
we must defend him en masse.
He is a true patriot and has risked everything
to let us know what has been done in our names
and with our tax dollars with the complicity of our
Congress.
In return, we must DO something about it.
It MUST STOP NOW.
Any one who is a parent can imaging the
AGONY this man must have felt at seeing
his son brutalized in this fashion- and the enormous
pain he must have felt in his helplessness to help his
child.
This is UNFORGIVABLE.
This is a WAR CRIME.
BHN

immediately.. The pressure has to be applied there.

Although, at Lunch break..

The noon news showed Bush walking with Hastert,
his new best friend, on their way to Bush's speech.

don't do anyway?

It's abominable. And it needs to be plastered over the front page of every newspaper in the country. Rumsfeld and his coterie need to be fired.

Why aren't all Americans disgusted with this so-called administration?

In talking to people I haven't heard of one person supporting Bush. And everyone I've talked to, I've polled a response from them on Bush and they all said the same. A BIG NO!

We are going to get Diebolded - BIGtime!!

They are out of some horror story by Stephen King!!!
:kick:

Just six soldiers.

Playful critters huh? Is that what they are making us believe?
:eyes:

What jerks, huh? Blaming these stressed out soldiers, making them take the fall for their policy of torture and humiliation.

"Soften them up".

And if so, can we start one NOW!!!

FUCK!!!

:nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke::nuke:

I'd say the boy was terrorized and the father tortured.

Donald Rumsfeld, do the RIGHT thing for a change and resign NOW!

be outraged because Saddam was worse so nothing to see, please move along.... :puke: I think I'm going to get sick....AGAIN! :puke: :grr:

Jesus Christ! I can't believe this crap! How sickening! :argh: :mad: :grr:

This story may be preparatory to that one being verified.

It was a "CIVILIAN" WHO ANALLY RAPED A 16 Year old Boy. Whose screams penetrated the air and the whole thing was filmed by US Soldiers, as the boy shrieked because his rectum was being savaged.

Who cry "What about the children" everytime these graphic images are broadcast in the U.S.? Apparently they're not too interested in what happened to that child.

I am absolutely disgusted to be an American right now.

More than just rumours. Documented reports would be a better phrasing.

A father would confess to anything under those circumstances, truthful or not. That's really useful to us.

The person being tortured will tell you whatever he thinks you want to hear, just like this father did to stop his son from being tortured. NOT the truth, NOT the facts, whatever they think you want to hear. They will just start naming names of anyone they know.

Civilized people do not use torture. This is a war crime and should be prosecuted as such.

were themselves dads. How could they do this? How can they go home and face their own kids now? Daddy, what did you do in the war?

with the children you just aim lower </sarcasm>

They spent evenings writing home to their families, reading Goethe, and listening to Beethoven.

One of the 'best' German poems about the Holocaust - Todesfuge by Paul Celan.

One of the repeated phrases 'Der Tod ist ein Meister aus Deutschland' - 'death is a master from Germany' (there's a connotation that master means concert master, orchestra director)

this one:

Pastor Martin Niemöller,
Nazi victim:

They came for the communists, and I did not speak up because I wasn't a communist;

They came for the socialists, and I did not speak up because I was not a socialist;

They came for the union leaders, and I did not speak up because I wasn't a union leader;

They came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak up for me ....



This is what the torture of the Iraqi detainees, the contravention of the Geneva Conventions and the Patriot Act mean, imo.

and live right down the street from us, I bet, unless they all end up in the brig.

which frat tortures children in front of their parents? please, i'm listening, hmm? any names?

thought so.

this torture thing is going to be the symbol to remove as many republicans from office as possible. protestors should show up to republican speaking events and primaries from now on with hoods on their heads, records of women wailing, pictures of fathers cradling their dead children, and big crucifixes of jesus and his quote "Why have you forsaken me?!" if that doesn't put a crimp in their style and forces them to develop a spine nothing will.

all those involved have their children treated the same way.

have all the children of gw*'s administration subjected to the same treatment including gw*'s girls.

We might need them to get their parents to talk!!!

for the boy and his father, their story needs to be read by everyone.

No???

That comma has me all messed up!

:shrug:

:eyes:

Its current average rating is 4.10 with 391 vote(s).

That's from page 2. Page 1 (same page as the story) is very unclear.

I sure it was done long before this, but it's now in broad daylight