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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:35 PM
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Rumsfeld: Prisoner Probe Diverting Attention From Iraq Security Situation
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said that investigations of the Iraqi prison abuse scandal are diverting the attention of senior Pentagon officials from the security situation in Iraq. Mr. Rumsfeld's complaint comes amid new questions about the extent of the Pentagon's cooperation with congressional probes into the scandal.
After another appearance on Capitol Hill Thursday, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld voiced apparent frustration over the time being spent by top civilian and military leaders answering to members of Congress about the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal. "An awful lot of us are spending an enormous amount of time on this subject and we've got the transition coming ahead of us here to sovereignty for the Iraqi people on or before June 30 and there is a great deal of work to be done," he said.
Mr. Rumsfeld acknowledges however that getting to the bottom of the detainee mistreatment controversy is important, to show not only to Congress and the American people, but to the world that the United States has values. He insisted the Pentagon is cooperating. "We've been spending a good deal of time in the Senate and the House over the past week-and-a-half and have attempted to respond to this important issue and do so in a way that is prompt and forthcoming and satisfies the members of the House and the members of the Senate," he added.
However, some members of Congress are frustrated. Senator Jack Reed, a Rhode Island Democrat, in an exchange this week with a senior Army official (Major General Geoffrey Miller, Deputy Commander for Detainee Operations), complained about access to documents relating to prisoner interrogation techniques. "One of the problems we have, general, is that we have not yet, after repeated requests, received the documentation about the interrogation sequence -- techniques, excuse me, at Guantanamo, which is another lack of cooperation in this investigation," he said.
http://www.voanews.com/article.cfm?objectID=84DAA31A-FF99-4447-A838428B95AA2683

Counter-attack in full swing: President is saying it's bad for business, Rumsfeld saying it's bad for security, ...
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:39 PM
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1. It's Bad For Business AND Security
When you have a bunch of murders and torturers running the prison.

And people want to know who is responsible, both here and there.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:42 PM
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2. Maybe it's just bad for Rummy and Bushie
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corriger Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:45 PM
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3. President is saying it's bad for business, Rumsfeld saying it's bad for se
bloody jackass Schweinehunde. Security and business in single syllable. Astounding as security=coverup and business=null but for what crooked contract delivered.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:47 PM
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4. Well, this bunch have never been ones to let serious investigations
get in their way of screwing the country. I guess I would be surprised if they started now.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:50 PM
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8. They've done a good enough job ...

of shutting investigations down so far, that they probably expect they can shut this one down too.
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:49 PM
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5. Boo-fucking-hoo
Sorry 'bout that Rummy, we'll try to be finished soon. We just need enough time to secure your incarceration.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:49 PM
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6. RUMDUMB CAN GO FUCK HIMSELF
Its been a long day and he's worried about Iraqi security..

He's lost his freaking mind.


yesterday LYNNDIE described how used dirty KOTEX MAXI PADS were taped to Male POWs faces.

Last night we saw Sabrina posing with corpses

Today we read ON THE FREAKING FRONT PAGE OF THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE THAT CHILDREN WERE TORTURED TO GET THEIR PARENTS TO TALK..

AND THIS IDIOT IS WORRIED ABOUT SECURITY ???????

THEY ARE MAD------------- STARK RAVING MAD.

</RANT>
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 08:50 PM
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7. "Bring it on!!!" You freaky neocons will NEVER recover from this.
The whole world HATES you. Do you even take a pause to ask yourselves "why"? No. And THAT is your biggest problem.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:06 PM
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9. I hope you're right. But the Cons seem to think this'll blow over fast.

For example, there's a little piece of poison by Bryon York in The Hill, which seems to argue that all of the relaxed interrogation rules (which Hersh convincingly argued lead to the prison abuse) were all to the good

Cutting through to good news from Sy Hersh
<snip>
And what has not been discussed much lately is the fact that many people will read Hersh’s descriptions of the actions taken by Rumsfeld and his deputies and say, “Yes!!!”
<snip>
The program gave elite U.S. forces great freedom in nabbing terrorists. “The rules are ‘Grab whom you must. Do what you want,’” one former intelligence official told Hersh.
To which many people might say: Good.
<snip>
Although Hersh writes that some of the program’s methods were “troubling,” still many people might say of the program: Thank you, thank you, thank you.
<snip>
http://www.thehill.com/york/052004.aspx

We've still got a fight ahead of us.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:17 PM
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12. Same guy
that complained in the National Review about my "Bush is Not a Nazi - so Stop saying that.."

now torture is no big deal.. but THANK YOU?

sickos..

and this is where we need to hit these assholes.. we need to say front and center, "so YOU AGREE that torture is a GOOD thing?"

over and over.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:23 PM
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15. I think we've started to see a good case ...

that the Bush Administration has distinct Nazi-like qualities.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:53 AM
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19. Wait until you see the latest torture pics in today's Washington Post...
Detainees Give Raw Account of Abuse
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/>

Excerpt:

"The fresh allegations of prison abuse are contained in statements taken from 13 detainees shortly after a soldier reported the incidents to military investigators in mid-January. The detainees said they were savagely beaten and repeatedly humiliated sexually by American soldiers working on the night shift at Tier 1A in Abu Ghraib during the holy month of Ramadan, according to copies of the statements obtained by The Washington Post.

The statements provide the most detailed picture yet of what took place on the cellblock. Some of the detainees described being abused as punishment or discipline after they were caught fighting or with a prohibited item. Some said they were pressed to denounce Islam or were force-fed pork and liquor. Many provided graphic details of how they were sexually humiliated and assaulted, threatened with rape, and forced to masturbate in front of female soldiers."

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 10:44 AM
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25. All of this seems to be predictable consequences ...

of Washington policies and propaganda. "We're liberating the Iraqis" but "they're terrorists" so "the Geneva convention doesn't apply": therefore, we must viciously crack down on anybody who isn't completely grateful for the liberation (or who doesn't speak English -- because they ought to speak English if we're going out of our way to help them like this) ...

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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:29 AM
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24. George W. Bush: Better than Hitler
Edited on Fri May-21-04 01:29 AM by thebigidea
torture apologists and enthusiasts are goddamn creepy:

http://www.terminalproduct.com/pnac.rm
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:09 PM
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10. nothing to see here....
Edited on Thu May-20-04 09:09 PM by mike_c
Hey kids! Isn't the Memorial Day SHOPPING WEEKEND coming up?! And how about that Jacko?
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:16 PM
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11. Maybe we'll all be a little safer
if we can keep Rumsfeld and the other Keystone Kops out of commission for a while. It sure wasn't going well when they were paying attention.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:18 PM
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13. "Diverting the attention of the Pentagon"??
They can just do what Stupidhead does: Ignore the problem entirely! Why should they get all preoccupied with torture and death? Stupidhead doesn't! Follow the lead of the commander in chimp.
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Sparky McGruff Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:18 PM
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14. A distraction from the distraction!
Sorry, Rummy! We're paying attention to your screw-ups, which is distracting from the war on Iraq, which is nothing but a big distraction from the "war on terror"

Guess we should ignore what's going on, before we invade Syria (the distraction from the distraction from the distraction?)
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:23 PM
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16. Ok that dog won't hunt, Rummy. Resign so we can get a
Secretary of Defense that can concentrate on the job - and fire Wolfie before you resign. Then both you and Wolfie can work on your defense against war crimes while somebody that isn't distracted does your jobs.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-20-04 09:27 PM
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17. Rabbit: Rummy diverting attention from prisoner probe
And it's not working.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:47 AM
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18. Donald Rumsfeld:
You do not exist for me any longer. In my mind, you are already gone from your job, from the White House, from the Human Race.

You're not human anyway. Nothing you say registers in my mind anymore.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 12:57 AM
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20. Wait a minute. Isn't the security problem CAUSED BY
what happened in the prison? At least partly?

I certainly don't think the release of these photos is going to HELP security. . . .

Rumsfeld, Boosh, Wolfowitz, Cambone, all of you fucking pieces of ratshit, what the HELL have you done to the world?

Oh, my bad, I forgot -- you and your fucking RAPTURE, you actually WANT THE WORLD TO COME TO AN END!



sorry. it is definitely time for Tansy to go to bed, and hope she doesn't dream about those pictures. . . . . . . .
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:02 AM
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21. Rumsfeld should be impeached, and then thrown to the wolves at the ICC
As a matter of fact, the entire Pentagon leadership should be impeached, including General Meyers!

Enough of this shit! The country can ill afford to wait until November. Impeach the bastards now!
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:15 AM
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22. Hear, hear!!!
And if this gets swept under the rug, or minimized, we are well and truly screwed. This whole administration has to go, and soon.
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fizzana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-21-04 01:26 AM
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23. Screw impeachment
They should all be stripped, have hoods placed over their heads, and then be forced to lie in a pile on the floor while Ashcroft pours Crisco over them.

Let's see how they like it. That would be just for starters.
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