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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 07:42 PM
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Berg beheading: No way, say medical experts
During the period when Berg's captors filmed the decapitation sequence, circumstances indicate that he had already been dead "a quite uncertain length of time, but more than ... however long the beheading took", Simpson stated. Both Simpson and Nordby also noted the difficulty in providing analysis based on the video, the inherent limitations presented by this. But both also felt that Berg had seemed drugged.

A particularly significant point in the video sequence occurred as Berg's captors attacked him, bringing the supposedly fatal knife to bear. "The way that they pulled him over, they could have used a dummy at that point," reflected Simpson regarding what the video portrayed. Separately, Nordby said Berg does not "appear to register any sort of surprise or any change in his facial expression when he's grabbed and twisted over, and they start to bring this weapon into use".

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FE22Ak03.html
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patriotvoice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 07:44 PM
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1. See (also):
Edited on Sat May-22-04 07:44 PM by patriotvoice
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 07:45 PM
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2. Rummy's people did a piss poor job making the video
The can't even make a good believable propaganda film.
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Stew225 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 07:58 PM
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3. Of course, blow-dry talking heads have to....
wait til their corporate masters give them the go ahead to even broach the bizarre subject of "those wacky conspiracy theories".
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will89 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:01 PM
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4. hmmm
Well I saw the video and yes it was real and sad that these animals killed that poor civilian. It would seem to me the everyone in the video needs their head chopped off.
Will
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:06 PM
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5. Having never seen anyone else beheaded, I sure can't tell if it was real
or not. It's a mystery, though, that's for sure.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:10 PM
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7. welcome to DU will89!
:hi:
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:11 PM
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8. Animals? Did you understand the title and actions of that film?
Al-Zarqawi "slaughters" and infidel?

Muslim meat has to be slaughtered a certain way to be clean. You must say "Allah is Great" as you slaughter it. Catch on?

They thought of Berg as an animal. You think of them as an animal. It won't stop until someone stops doing it. They can't, because we are in their lands, killing and raping and torturing their children and wives and husbands. Only we can stop it.

And we won't with your attitude. The military admits it beat 33 Iraqi captives to death. We have killed a hundred thousand Iraqis. They've killed less than one thousand. And we invaded their lands. WE are the animals. You and me. Their argument is more righteous than ours.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:20 PM
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10. I saw the video and it made Ed Wood's features look believable.
What on Earth makes you think it was real?
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:09 PM
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6. did you see this?
http://marc.perkel.com/

and then google for digital+camera+watermark+technology

oops
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:25 PM
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12. Excellent, UpInArms. That piece is just great. Even the simplest
Republican should be able to understand it, if he/she sounds out the words.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:18 PM
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9. Really interesting, daa. These surgeons are not the first surgeons, either
to have come to this conclusion. Another DU'er posted an article in the last week or so with remarks from a surgeon who noted basically the same points, being there's no way there would not have been substantial blood rushing out immediately, and there would have also been some movement WITHIN the body, somehow.

From your aricle:
A particularly significant point in the video sequence occurred as Berg's captors attacked him, bringing the supposedly fatal knife to bear. "The way that they pulled him over, they could have used a dummy at that point," reflected Simpson regarding what the video portrayed. Separately, Nordby said Berg does not "appear to register any sort of surprise or any change in his facial expression when he's grabbed and twisted over, and they start to bring this weapon into use".

Subsequently, Nordby said it was likely that the filming sequence was manipulated at the point immediately preceding this, allowing Berg's corpse to be used for the decapitation sequence. Nordby also emphasized that the video "raises more questions than it answers", with the most fundamental questions of "who are you, and how did you die", being impossible to answer from it. But broad speculation exists regarding a number of factors surrounding both Berg's death and the video, and its timing in regard to revelations of US prison atrocities.

In a May 13 article, the Arabic newsgroup Aljazeera reported that a Dubai-based Reuters journalist first broke the story, "but while Fox News, CNN and the BBC" were able to secure the video from the "Arabic-only website" that hosted it, Aljazeera was unable to locate it. And also on May 13, the Associated Press (AP) reported that the US Central Intelligence Agency had determined that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was the individual who beheaded Berg.
(snip)
Thanks a lot for posting this. One day, an American group of surgeons will finally get the courage to step forward, as well, and meet the rough stuff for offering their opinions. (Of course we also can predict some Republican-hired surgeons will ALSO be pitched into the mix, to obsfucate, no doubt about it.)
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:22 PM
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11. Here's a thread that ties into this one:
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KalicoKitty Donating Member (777 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-04 08:27 PM
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13. This is from another forum….
The Nick Berg conspiracy


You all remember the infamous "Tourist of Death" right?

http://carcino.gen.nz/images/index.php/627708f8/6bb6a1e6

Here is a picture of Nick Berg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NickBergAP.jpg

The resemblance is uncanny! How much deeper does this conspiracy go? The 911 connection is even more evident. Was or is Nick a CIA operative? Was he placed on top of the towers on 911, possibly laser directing the remote controlled planes and then telaported off to a safe location at the critical moment? IS NICK BERG THE MASTERMIND BEHIND ALL OF THIS?I WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH!!

It is my belief that the Tourist of Death thing was debunked and dismissed as a hoax only to quell suspicions. They knew they would be using the talented Mr.Berg in future PsycOps again.

What do you all think?


http://www.mlive.com/forums/newstalk/index.ssf?artid=418817
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