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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 11:39 AM
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Cuban exile attends ceremony to restore citizenship
Story last updated at 6:56 a.m. Sunday, May 23, 2004


Cuban exile attends ceremony to restore citizenship
Associated Press
HAVANA--Antonio Zamora was a teenager when he fled his native Cuba and joined a U.S.-led effort to topple the island's communist government.

Now 63, the Miami-based lawyer was back on Cuban soil last week attending a ceremony to restore his citizenship and that of six other Cuban exiles who participated in the disastrous 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion.
(snip)

"There is a situation of great tension here," he said. "I think the Cuban people need some years of peace, of uninterrupted progress.
In the meantime, he said, the U.S. government and Cuban exiles who have chosen to cut themselves off from their homeland should stop trying to plan Cuba's future.
(snip)

"They are completely ignorant about Cuban reality," he said of U.S. officials, adding that even many conservative, anti-Castro Cubans in Florida have told him they no longer support Bush, either.
(snip/...)

http://www.charleston.net/stories/052304/wor_23cuba.shtml
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 12:29 PM
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1. Saying such things will get one tarred and feathered in the USA
Especially in Miami.


Quite often some are branded as being "pro Castro" for saying such things as Zamora is saying... even here on DU.


"After a lot of thinking, I came to the conclusion that dialogue was the best way to deal with Cuba"

"I think the Cuban people need some years of peace, of uninterrupted progress."

"They are completely ignorant about Cuban reality," he said of U.S. officials



Those officials include the Clinton officials who stepped up many of the 45 year old sanctions against Cuba.

Its just the usual US_knows_best policies that the Bush* admin is engaging in.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 12:31 PM
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2. Take what you can get.
Props to these six.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 12:37 PM
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3. What is there for us to get?
Edited on Sun May-23-04 12:38 PM by Mika
while I agree w/the props to those six who regained their citizenship in Cuba, they are the ones who gain. The Cubans & Americans in the USA get shafted w/the embargo politics that are being continued and stepped up w/Bush.

Not a lot for the rest of us to celebrate.



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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:34 PM
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11. I think the Cuba policy is failing and will soon fall.
Hope I'm right. There was another story about how Shrub
is losing support in the Cuban community in S. Florida, and
the Congress want to do business with Cuba.

I think I was a bit to cryptic there, sorry for that.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 12:46 PM
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4. Because of a relatively small pocket of Cubans that live in Florida
Edited on Sun May-23-04 12:49 PM by Marianne
the entire country of the United States is prohibited from traveling to Cuba, which by all accounts is quite a nice place to visit.


This is unfair and should not be allowed. It is our civil right to be able to travel outside of our country to any other country we choose and do so freely without fear of our own government punishing us.

That we must shake in our boots for wanting to visit Cuba, and be PUNISHED by our own government if we do so, by the slapping onto us of huge fines, is ridiculous .

I am not obliged to a small pocket of aging Cuban dissidents, who op-posed Castro's coup forty years ago, and now his socialism, and fled to the US and who now, for some reason have the power to demand that the entire citizenry of the United States be punished , forty years after the fact, if any American, dare visit this intrigujng place.

They lost. They are never going to get their wish that Cuba will revert back to the days when they, and their rich families, ruled over the peasants of Cuba.

I cannot see why the rest of us need to suffer because a disgruntled group of losers demands that we do not travel to Cuba, and if we do, we are to be PUNISHED by our own government.


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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 12:53 PM
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5. Cuban-Americans can go to Cuba
Edited on Sun May-23-04 12:53 PM by Mika
Over 100,000 Cuban "exiles" go to Cuba every year. They hop on daily flights out of Miami and Ft Lauderdale airports, and there are flights to Cuba from other airports (L.A. and N.Y.).

Cuban-American visits to Cuba are restricted, and Bush is about to step up these restrictions - which displeases much of the Cuban-American community in Miami.


Its only Americans and US residents of non Cuban descent who are generally banned from going to Cuba by the US government.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:05 PM
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6. Here's a pic of Antonio Zamora w/his new passport
Edited on Sun May-23-04 01:26 PM by Mika

Cuban-American Antonio Zamora Munne holds a Cuban passport he received
from Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Perez Roque during a meeting between
Cuban officials and exiles in Havana on Friday May 21, 2004. He was part
of the 1961 Bay of Pigs invasion in Cuba and lost his Cuban nationality in
1962. (AP Photo/Jose Goitia)


___

Here's a picture of Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Perez Roque. Keep your eye on this man. He's brilliant and VERY popular.... part of the 'new guard' of young dedicated public servants - very electable.


Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Perez Roque talks to reporters on the terms
of Cuban immigration affairs Tuesday May 18, 2004 during a news conference
in Havana, Cuba. Cuba will host at least 200 overseas Cubans in a three-day
Nation and Migration Conference in Havana this weekend to continue to work
out migration issues, Perez Roque said. (AP Photo/Jose Goitia)
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:09 PM
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7. And Chucho Valdez played an immigration celebration concert in Havana

Cuban musician Chucho Valdez gestures during his concert, at the
Amedeo Roldan theater, offered to the participants of the Third Nation
and Immigration Conference celebrated in Havana, Friday May 21,
2004, in Cuba. (AP Photo/Cristobal Herrera)
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:18 PM
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8. MIka, great photos. So glad to see them.
Edited on Sun May-23-04 01:27 PM by JudiLyn
Another Chucho photo:


Chucho Valdez, on piano with his quartet showed a full house at Davies Symphony Hall on November 2 that Havana has kept pace with the world of jazz. Concert-goers there also showed adultion for piano master Ruben Gonzalez, now seventy seven years old.

http://www.salsasf.com/features/reviews/jazzfest.html#chucho

Chucho Valdez
Chuchito (Jesus,Jr.) Valdez


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So that's Antonio Zamora. Really good to see him.
It's a great photo, by the way. His eyes say it's a meaningful moment for him. Isn't it great they are taking these steps? They are following Eloy Gutierrez-Menoy, who has moved back to help in CUBAN, not U.S.-driven (hopefully) progress in Cuba.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


I wanted to mention Chucho Valdez is famous all over the world, and has toured the U.S. numerous times. He was in Los Angeles on September 11, 2001, to attend the Latin Grammys, and it was called off because of the 9/ll disasters. He remained in the States, with his fellow Cubans, and they all gave blood before returning home.

In successive years, when he asked for permission from the Bush admin. to attend the Grammys, he was refused, and told they didn't have enough time to process his visa. Strangely enough, when ANOTHER Cuba was nominated for the award, HE was refused, and Chucho Valdez was told he could come. Nasty people, Bushies.

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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:30 PM
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9. Hi JudiLyn, Menoyo was at the conference. Here's a pic
Edited on Sun May-23-04 01:37 PM by Mika

Eloy Gutierrez Menoyo, former political prisoner and exile who returned to
Cuba last year without government approval, listens to Cuban foreign Minister
Felipe Perez Roque, Friday May.21, 2004 during a meeting between Cuban officials
and exiles. (AP Photo/Jose Goitia)


This is one of Castro's most ardent foes from the Miamicuban hard line "exile" groups. He has not been arrested after moving back to Cuba (as is the claim made by most of the money grubbing phonies in miami). He is still very outspoken IN Cuba, but he has changed his mind about the motives of the US/Miami based "anti Castro" PAC's, he has studied the CURRENT internal political movements IN Cuba, and has joined-in the active political debate constantly going on there.

__

Great photos of Chucho. :thumbsup:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:39 PM
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12. Good Menoyo photo, Mika. It's excellent.
That man has more courage than any of his first wave Cuban compatriots in Miami. He knows how they work, their violence, and met them head-on when he decided it was time to get things done and reconcile the two Cuban worlds.

I read he was definitely given a very hard time, really HARD TIME, when he and another Bay of Pigs veteran returned from the 40 year commemoration of the Bay of Pigs Invasion in Cuba, by the Brigade 2506 members, not to mention any number of other original exiles all over South Florida.

I'll just bet these pioneers are going to be the winners, too. More power to them.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:48 PM
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13. Look at how Cuba is opening up to its adversaries- compare that to the USA
Edited on Sun May-23-04 01:55 PM by Mika
Don't forget that Cuba has recently dropped all travel visa requirements for Cuban-Americans and American visitors. Compare that to the US clamping down on all of our rights to travel to the island, and the US's constant denials of visas to Cubans wishing to travel to US medical, education, architectural, historical etc, conferences as well as denying travel visas to Cuban artists and musicians.

______


Menoyo couldn't return to Miami now. He would not survive the onslaught from the intransigent hard line self imposed "exiles". He would need security at levels offered to no ordinary citizen.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:58 PM
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15. They must be as angry as hornets right now.
Things REALLY aren't going their way.

Do you think Bush has decided to cut the hardliners loose?
I think it appears he and Noriega and Otto Reich have decided they are simply going to try to steamroll Cuba, and do whatever is necessary to take over, and the Batistianos and their island relatives can go fish. Does it look that way to you, or do you think he is capable of more self-control than that?

I agree that Menoyo definitely would NOT be safe in South Florida for a while. I hope if his wife and family will be O.K.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:33 PM
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10. Great photo of Filipe Perez Roque.
I've heard that Carlos Lage is also very well considered, and that U.S. officials like Ricardo Alarcon.

You really see Filipe Perez Roque's name and photo around a lot now. He definitely seems to have it together: very, VERY capable, and definitely young.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 01:51 PM
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14. You might get a laugh from this one!
"Madrid accuses Fidel Castro of insulting José María Aznar"
Filipe Perez Roque and friend
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:01 PM
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16. Here's another way of looking at Zamora's experience
Edited on Sun May-23-04 02:01 PM by JudiLyn
He took part in the Bay of Pigs invasion, and Cuba has decided to give him a Cuban passport again.

How does that stack up against Jeb Bush's initiative in stripping all former prisoners of their voting rights PERMANENTLY?
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:52 PM
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20. Menoyo was involved with organizations that are the enemies of Cuba
Other than his involvement in the Bay of Pigs invasion he wasn't accused of perpetrating any acts of terra against Cuba, but he was a member of organizations that are the declared enemies of Cuba - still, he is welcomed home, back into the domestic political fold, and he has not been prosecuted nor persecuted in any way in Cuba.


Compare that to the US gov's treatment of John Walker Lindh.


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 05:19 PM
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22. Not much to compare, is there?

CASTRO CONFERS WITH EXILED FOE
Cuba's Future is the Topic In First Meeting

THE NEW YORK TIMES JUNE 28, 1995
By MIREYA NAVARRO

MIAMI, June 27 --Fidel Castro said "You have let your hair grow long."

Eloy Gutierrez-Menoyo said, "It's not my style, but mi wife likes long, so long it is."
With that, and a handshake, two adversaries who last saw each other 30 years
ago, when Mr. Castro put Mr. Gutierrez-Menoyo in prison for 22 years, sat down
to talk about Cuba and its future.
They met for more than three hours last week in Havana, the first time Mr.
Castro has received an opposition exile leader.

Mr. Gutierrez-Menoyo, a guerrilla commander in the Cuban revolution who now heads Cambio Cubano (Cuban Change), an organization that advocates a peaceful transition to democracy in Cuba, said that the granting of a meeting he had sought for the last two years demonstrated Mr. Castro's desire for political change. But experts on Cuban affairs, including some Clinton Administration officials, said it remained to be seen whether it was a significant overture.
http://www.cambiocubano.com/castroconfers.html

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Despite conventional wisdom to the contrary, the Cuban-American population, like any diverse diaspora, holds within it broad, overlapping and conflicting political opinions. The purported right-wing hegemony of exile politics--the great Myth of the Miami Monolith--does not hold up under scrutiny. In terms of general ideological leanings, about 45% of Cuban Americans classify themselves as moderate or liberal.1 On the Cuba issue, even exile conservatives often disagree on the best means of advancing democracy on the island. While a significant minority in the exile community have advocated negotiations with Cuba for decades, only recently have exile moderates established advocacy groups that make their dissenting voices heard on a wider basis.2

The two most prominent of these groups, Cambio Cubano (Cuban Change) and the Cuban Committee for Democracy, were formed in 1993. Cambio Cubano functions as the activist vehicle of Eloy Gutierrez Menoyo, a veteran anti-Castro crusader who founded the group at age 58 after undergoing a remarkable personal odyssey. During the late 1950s insurgency against Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista, Gutierrez Menoyo commanded the Second Escambray Front, an independent guerrilla group. Soon after the triumph of the revolution, however, he turned against Castro and fled to Florida, where he helped found the exile paramilitary group Alpha 66. Arrested on a mission inside Cuba in 1965, he ultimately spent 22 years in Cuban prisons.

Released and exiled in 1987, Gutierrez Menoyo abandoned militant anti-Castro strategies and now sees a different path to Cuban change. "We advocate a future without revenge and without hatred that achieves the freedom of Cuba by peaceful means," he wrote in Cambio Cubano's charter statement. He advocates immediate negotiations with the Cuban government, arguing that continued U.S. sanctions are fruitless and harmful. "I am the first to recognize the need to open Cuba's politics," he says. "But the last thing I want to do is open the arteries of the people who live there by maintaining a cruel and foolish embargo."3

Gutierrez Menoyo advocates a wide-ranging dialogue between Cuba and the Cuban-American community, and has done more than any other exile figure to commence such discussions. In September, 1994, he met with Cuban Foreign Minister Roberto Robaina in Madrid. This June he returned to Cuba for the first time since his release from prison. During his week- long visit, he held lengthy discussions with President Fidel Castro and other high-ranking officials, and met with dissidents on the island. Upon returning to the United States, he reported in an op-ed in the Washington Post that he found "a greater openness to new ideas on the part of Cuban officials." "If the Cuban government is now prepared to show tolerance and respect for the views of those like myself," he wrote, "then indeed a new beginning can be made and we can face the future with renewed hope."4
(snip)
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/43b/027.html
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 05:37 PM
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23. GREAT links JudiLyn. Thanks
There's greater latitude for political discourse in Cuba than in Bush's USA.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 06:48 PM
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24. There sure is, isn't there?
IF you don't mind my reference to the cambiocubano.com link, this is something which happened in 1995:
But he said he had asked the Cuban President to be allowed to take his exile organization to Cuba as an opposition party. He said he also expressed his wish to move to Cuba and for all Cubans to "have the right to return to their homeland."

"That we could finish our conversation in a civilized way and leave the door open is very important," said Mr. Gutierrez-Menoyo, who did not get any promises but said he found Mr. Castro "receptive and tolerant."
(snip)
Meanwhile, back in Miami:
Although respected for his political imprisonment, Mr. Gutierrez-Menoyo is belittled by conservative Cuban exiles who advocate a hard line, including a tightening of the economic embargo and a naval blockade, to bring Mr. Castro's Government down. In Spanish language radio here, his visit to Cuba has been the theme of talk shows for days, with callers labeling him "traitor," "shameless," "less of a man," and "Spanish, not Cuban." He was born in Spain but moved with his family to Cuba when he was 11.
(snip)
http://www.cambiocubano.com/castroconfers.html

From what I've heard, don't know about you, Eloy Gutierrez-Menoyo has been very conspicuous in his actions in setting up his home and base of operations in Havana, and organizing his own political group. You don't hear many references to this in our media, and not likely to. Ordinary Americans could catch wind of these things by simply reading South Florida papers, right?

Some rightwingnuts are convinced if our large mainstream and rightwing media don't tell them about it, it didn't happen!
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:26 PM
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17. CANF: Cuba's liberty lies with activists
There's a growing dissatisfaction with the Bush administration in Miami. Many Cubans have switched to the Independent Party, and Bush is going to have to earn their votes BEFORE the election. We'll probably be reading about military planes broadcasting TV Martí signals "over international waters near Cuba" in the near future.



CANF: Cuba\'s liberty lies with activists

BY LUISA YANEZ / lyanez@herald.com
Friday, May 21, 2004 (The Miami Herald)

It will be Cuba's dissidents who spark significant political change on the island, not White House policies or South Florida exiles, the chairman of the Cuban American National Foundation told about 700 people at a luncheon Thursday marking Cuba's Independence Day.

(snip)

CANF's leadership now believes that Fidel Castro's reign will end through homegrown pressures, not external ones.

Mas added that in November, exiles should vote for the presidential candidate who includes the plight ''of the dissidents and a free Cuba'' in his platform. His statement illustrated CANF's growing political independence in an election year when the Cuban exile vote will be heavily courted.

''In the past, CANF has been aligned to a political party. We're independent and nonpartisan in our ideology,'' Mas said to loud cheers, on the day that Cubans celebrate their 1902 independence from Spanish rule. ``CANF represents only the best interests of the Cuban people.''

(snip)

Off the stage, Mas said the new Bush administration restrictions on travel to Cuba, a tightening of the U.S. embargo, is likely to have mixed results. Mas said he supports a component that calls for beefing up the TV Martí signal by having a military plane broadcast the signal over international waters near Cuba.

(snip)

''I'm totally convinced that the next few months will bring many changes to Cuba,'' Mas said to a standing ovation.
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:37 PM
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18. Saying the same thing since Reagun & Mas Canosa started the CANF
CANF's leadership now believes that Fidel Castro's reign will end through homegrown pressures, not external ones.


Then why are the millions of our dollars used to undermine/taint the internal political opposition in Cuba?

Which way is the wind blowing today?




''I'm totally convinced that the next few months will bring many changes to Cuba,'' Mas said to a standing ovation.



Ho f_cking hum.

They've been saying just that very thing every six months since the early 80's when the CANF was founded w/our tax dollars.
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 03:39 PM
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21. and the beat goes on...
They've been saying just that very thing every six months since the early 80's when the CANF was founded w/our tax dollars.

True, and after some grandstanding they're likely to let Bush slide in again. If only they could see that Bush doesn't care for anything but their vote. Period.


Which way is the wind blowing today?

From the left.

The "neo-conservatives" running the United States hope to achieve what previous American administrations could not do in the last forty years. The sudden shift of focus to Cuba is also related to the upcoming American presidential elections. It was the fraudulent vote count in the state of Florida that helped George Bush step into the White House.

Right wing Cuban émigrés close to the President’s younger brother, Jeb Bush, had played a key role in subverting democracy in the state during the last presidential elections.

<cut>

The American media has reported that the Bush administration had assigned five times as many agents to investigate violations of the embargo on Cuba than it had assigned to track Osama bin Laden and Al Qaida. A Democratic Senator, Byron Dorgan, reflecting the mainstream opinion in the American Congress, expressed the hope that "somebody in the administration will come to his or her senses and start directing our resources where they are needed. Politics is clearly diverting precious time, money and manpower away from the war on terrorism here".

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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-04 02:40 PM
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19. Bush is not going to get the Cuban vote this year and it's stories like...
...this one that are going to hurt him.
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