H'wood hot for Moore's 'Fahrenheit 9/11'

LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- The White House calls the film "outrageously false," but Hollywood is hot for "Fahrenheit 9/11," documentary filmmaker Michael Moore's caustic broadside at President Bush.

A day after the film won the top Palme d'Or prize at the Cannes Film Festival in France, industry observers Sunday predicted the controversial movie would be a box office hit, even if some early reviews have been mixed.

"I think it will be hugely successful," said D.A. Pennebaker, veteran documentary director whose films include the Oscar-nominated 1992 election campaign saga "The War Room," which he made with Chris Hegedus. "It's going to get a lot of publicity, and this country is really in the mood for somebody to tell 'em what they should think, what to do."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/05/24/film.moore.reut/index.html

All I've seen are raves.

Go figure.

Rupert Murdoch does.

n/t

They can't fool us any more!!!

wow, where have I been? I know he's the editor of the Weekly Standard but had no idea about the Post. Thanks for that info!

It's owned by Newscorp. AKA Rupert Murdoch.


http://www.newscorp.com/operations/newspapers.html

When did Bill Kristol by a newspaper?

They had one person coming out of the screening raving and glowing about it.Then they had another person coming out and saying " that picture was bull s***"."

EVERYthing else has been top rate. The idiot that said it was bullshhit is probably a plant. He looked like someone that really didn't have a clue or didn't want to believe all the TRUTH OUT THERE.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3724195.stm

another review:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3740939.stm

Um...these are the same clowns that hired ACTORS to pose as reporters for their medicare commercials, er, I mean, news reports?"

How would they know if it's false. That is ... unless they had spies at Disney feeding them copies.

;)

Everything is fake.

"this country is really in the mood for somebody to tell 'em what they should think, what to do."..???????

How about they're in the mood for somebody to tell them the TRUTH about who Bush really is?

No kidding, of course the White House denies it. Would anyone expect the White House to admit it?

I'm not holding my breath, either.

or did they see a preview?

gotta love these guys

"When White House spokesman Scott McClellan was asked about The Price of Loyalty, the best seller about former treasury secretary Paul O'Neill's disillusionment with the Bush administration, he replied, "I don't do book reviews.""

http://www.usatoday.com/life/books/news/2004-02-16-bush-books_x.htm

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

thank you for the welcome.. i've been a lurker for quite some time.. this site with it's boards has really helped me recover from my beliefe that interest in politics is dead.. i'm a voracious researcher and will be posting often.. also, i'm working on a breakdown of what i believe which i will be soon posting... love the site and it's active posters.. it is really doing a job motivating the heretofor uniterested voter, be it disoriented/disenfrachised repub or disgusted democrat... keep up the good work.. i'll keep up lurking and i'll definitly be posting!

which begs to be asked:

"Oh.. have you gotten past your 3rd grade primer yet?"

but it was nonetheless filming actual events.

CGI? :think:

Convincing human figures and CGI scene take a very long time to render. I think I read that it took Square Pictures (now defunct) something like several days to render one second of film-ready video, or some such. Anyway, he'd have to have been working on it for years to go the CGI route.

Not that it's not possible, mind; just improbable.

Just a guess. Unless George Lucas donated a LOT of labor.

Of course it's rediculous. Scream "outrageously false" repeatedly and never address the core facts. :think:

When the WH denies it's always the truth.

Could have been a story on Faux News.

Taratino was the head of the jury "Have you seen his films!!!!?!?!" said the stooge.

People may not like Taratino's film (also distributed by Disney) but they should be aware that he has probably seen most every film made in the last 30 years, I think he has the credentials.

Could that article be more hostile to the film?

What a sorry piece of "journalism". Telling people what to think indeed. Project much CNN Reuters?

What a fucking slant piece.

It's like the dipshits who write this crap don't even see the movies they diss anymore; I guess that would ruin their "objectivity". Gotta be fair & balanced at all times.

Isn't that what rules all? Isn't that the mantra of the privateers?

Is the market not able to correct itself?

Take a look at how NON-FICTION books detailing and accounting for the unaccountable W and tell me there isn't a market for this film. Hell even THEY admit that the country is split right down the middle.

Conservative devotion to the free market only extends so far as allowing CEOs to embezzle corporate pension plans and hide their taxable revenues in offshore accounts in Vanuatu and the Cayman Islands. When it comes to giving consumers what they want, then the market is anything but free.

look what it did!

This could be the big film of the summer.

:hi:

Truth be told ( I really hate to do this) the success of "The Passion" can directly be credited to Bill O'Reilly. He not only talked up Gibson's devotion (Mel also bought the rights to O'Reilly work of fiction-no the one MEANT to be a work of fiction) but he also created a controversy about it. O'Reilly did create a lot of the hoopla.

A great polemicist yes; great art for the centuries --- I don't think so.

Not that I don't appreciate Tom Paine. But...

Just that Moore's docudramas are as ground breaking as Sheakspear's Politics. Shakespeare provides a fascinating account of the development and character of English politics in his history plays. His political philosophy, in this respect, has long been the subject of scholarly interest. He takes up the matter of what he intends politically, particularly in the Lancastrian Tetrology ."Richard II", "IHenry IV", "IIHenry IV", "Henry V."

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I posted this in GD, but it got lost. I think it's worth reposting.


Found this on a message board. A very good read...

I have seen the film.

First a little about my background. I have served in the Military for 30 years and am a Viet Nam, Desert Storm and Iraqi veteran. I work as a broadcast Journalist and served for a year in Iraq. I hold 3 Army Commendation, 7 Army Achievement, a Joint Service Commendation, National Defense (2 Stars). Korean Defense Service, Presidential Unit Citation and wear the Secretary of Defense service badge. And was notified I am being considered for a Bronze Star (for my work in Iraq). I also have been stationed and served for 9 1/2 years overseas.

I was privileged to see this film before it went to Cannes on May 11 04. My wife a member of Military Families Speak Out was working with Mr. Moore to help my reserve unit get the body armor promised by Mr. Bush (but never showed up, oh yeah that's right reservists are second class citizens) when he had started to send the body armor and the Army command found out, guess what, rather than be embarrassed for once again failing to support it's reserve and Guard troops they finally found some and it arrived the next day. They could have had us armor sooner but the General in charge was to busy spending monies that could have bought us the body armor on himself ($50,000 on his office furniture, $10,000 on his bedroom suite and $10,000 on his 2 story, two porcelain bowl and sink equipped outhouse, complete with possibly, oh and over $250,000 on personal transport vehicles. We could not get armor for our vehicles ). But we all know (those of us in our unit) if not for the fact that Mr. Moore was sending us some it would never have arrived. Which is why we were invited to see the film at it's premiere in New York to a select audience before it went to Cannes. This is a film that should be shown to all registered voters and all citizens so they may understand how a few can manipulate the many. Just look to see how now that they (those who chose to send us off) still refuse to take responsibility by blaming all the actions taken on an Iraqi citizen that they followed blindly into a war. This administration knew what it was doing way before 9/11. Just look how they suspended the PERS Tempo laws (laws enacted to keep Reservists and Guard members from serving for more than 180 days. If so it allowed for a $100 a day bonus to be paid. I am owed under this program $31,000) To much of it just seems to convenient.

As to the film I would advise you to read his book "Dude, where's my country" it has all the relevant sources that went into the making of the movie. So for those of you who claim and spout that it is all propaganda and made up, the proof is supplied, as every fact in the film is verified by more than one outside source. It was an excellent film and I believe it portrays the facts (and lack of them by Mr. Bush) credibly. And the interviews by the American GI's in the film are all factual. After seeing this some of you will understand better why the prison abuses happened. It is disturbing in some parts and is real, it brought back some of the most unpleasant memories of what it going on in Iraq and this country. But it is factual and relevant.

As a broadcast journalist I examined the evidence and sources as brought forth by Mr. Moore and found them to be factual and relevant to events taking place in this country.

Also as a broadcast journalist who served for a year in the Sunni triangle region (Ramadi, Falluja and the Al Anbar region) I can say without any doubt the facts being reveled are truthful, having observed abuses by U.S. troops personally. Not just physical abuses, but stealing from families and others on a continual basis and numerous violations of civil liberties.

What many in this country should realize is the only thing separating us from the Muslim fanatics is a clause in the US Constitution that separates church and state. Without it we would be just like them.

So before you condemn this film, do something unusual for an American, see it before you judge it. And for once stop shooting the messenger.

eom

thanks

I'm sorry, but I don't. It was AOL's Message Boards on Sat. where a bunch of idiots were bashing Michael Moore and this was a rebuttal.

Hardly seems credible then.

It fails the "too good to be true" smell test.

He served in Iraq in the military AND a year as a broadcast journalist in Iraq? Do you have a link?

Hoping to hear from him with something to back up his claims.

expect?

http://www.terminalproduct.com/paranoiashow.htm

two years ago I remembering pitching antiBush parodies, satires, sickness - all sorts of stuff in LA. I was told by goateed Yalie parodies that "we can't do this - they'll DESTROY YOU!"

Now its hot! Oooo, why do I always get left out in the cold? Curse you, Cassandra Complex.

on the Colin Cowherd show (sports talk) went on and on about how the movie was BS, and Moore blames bush for everything without proof. Of course, the jerkoff hadn't seen the movie, and he swore that he wouldn't (typical educated review)...I swear, there are less and less sports talk show i can listen to anymore without host injecting RW rhetoric. Pretty much the only choice i have left is Jim Rome (please kill me now). Guess I'll have to go back to acutally listening to music

I try to listen to Sportstalk 980 as well and I have encountered the same thing. Dan Patrick has yet to piss me off big time but maybe I just missed that day :(

Someone emailed me a part of a review which claimed that the BBC smirking footage is in the film.

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/03/03/21_groom.html

As reported in the Washington Post, the White House is quite peeved that video of Bush getting groomed and acting jolly was broadcast prior to his "we're bombing Iraq" announcement:

The White House is vowing a strong retaliatory response after the BBC aired live video of President Bush getting his hair coiffed in the Oval Office as he squirmed in his chair and practiced on the teleprompter minutes before Wednesday night's speech announcing the launch of military operations against Saddam Hussein.

Didn't say whether the following was also included, though.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12761184&method=full&siteid=50143

Later, just seconds before he went on TV to tell the world war had started, he vigorously pumped his fist and declared: "I feel good." The extraordinary gesture was in stark contrast to the furrowed brow and look of concern he adopted for the subsequent broadcast.

Courtesy The Smoking Gun, of course:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/gbhair1.html

It's only 10 seconds long... anyone have a link to the longer version, where he yuks it up?

(speachless).................you can see the implications, can't you?

Star Wars ... Nooo.
Lord of the Rings ... Nooo.
But camp out overnight in line for Fahrenheit 9/11? You Betcha!

"It's going to get a lot of publicity, and this country is really in the mood for somebody to tell 'em what they should think, what to do."

We at DU might but Joe Public hasn't a clue about the Saudi-Bush connection, or flying the Bin Ladens out of the US right after 9/11, etc.

Variety: "fails to provide any hard facts or make any incriminating connections that a reasonably informed person doesn't already know about."

If it was all so obvisous his approval rating would be in the low 30's - well, maybe after a few of the 'uniformed' see it will be.

Can you imagine how MM is feeling about now? How are happy he will be for America when this film is shown and changes a lot minds?

If you watch the extra features from Bowling DVD you will see Moore talking about the dangers of a Bush presidency nearly three years ago!

so says my cousin, an executive producer who works for Disney. I hope she's right! Disney passed on "Lord of the Rings", and obviously New Line didn't do too badly with that one!

I'll bet you that Miramax ends up distributing it after all. If it dies better than "Bowling" (21 million), plus another 21 million in overseas, plus another 30 million in DVD sales, plus another 15-30 million in rentals, pay-per-view, et ct. ...... I'm not sure Disney will pass up that many millions of dollars, even to kiss Jeb's ass.

I think Moore may get another Oscar nomination out of this one just as a political statement....

Anyway, I don't need F-911 to tell me what to think, I know this country is effed up, and the movie is just entertainmnent...

to tell them what to think and what to do'. :wtf: That doesn't sound very complimentary, that kind of statement will drive people away from the film in droves. :argh: