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TrueStory Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:59 AM
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Richard Perle: U.S. war policy 'grave error'
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1085523609417&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724

LONDON, England—One of the ideological architects of the Iraq war has criticized the U.S.-led occupation of the country as "a grave error."

Richard Perle, until recently a powerful adviser to U.S. Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, described U.S. policy in post-war Iraq as a failure.

"I would be the first to acknowledge we allowed the liberation (of Iraq) to subside into an occupation. And I think that was a grave error, and in some ways a continuing error," said Perle, former chair of the influential Defence Policy Board, which advises the Pentagon.

With violent resistance to the U.S.-led occupation showing no signs of ending, Perle said the biggest mistake in post-war policy "was the failure to turn Iraq back to the Iraqis more or less immediately.

"We didn't have to find ourselves in the role of occupier. We could have made the transition that is going to be made at the end of June more or less immediately," he told BBC radio, referring to the U.S. and British plan to transfer political authority in Iraq to an interim government on June 30.

This public criticism of U.S. policy from one of the leading advocates of the war — and a firm political ally of U.S. President George W. Bush — indicates just how much Bush's political fortunes are being damaged by post-war chaos.
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GoBlue Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 05:09 AM
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1. And the chickenhawks real colours begin to show
Underneath all the self-serving bullshi^ they're chickenshi^s afterall.
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:33 AM
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78. The 'gravest' error was allowing Perle to be an influence on our gov.
Ihope when all this has played out it will be the absolute undoing of the neocon-PNAC agenda. After 40 years, it's time for them to just die off.
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 05:12 AM
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2. These people are crazy. "We didn't have to find ourselves in
the role of occupier."? WTF did Perle think was going to happen when we bombed Iraq into rubble? That a bunch of houses, police stations, schools, etc., would pop up by themselves and the Iraqis would just go on as if nothing had happened, and our troops would just come home?

He is either a complete liar, or totally stupid, or barbaric in the extreme. Or all three.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 05:43 AM
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4. My Vote...
...is for all 3!
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Danmack Donating Member (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 07:09 AM
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17. My vote-LIAR .. They knew this would happen an didn't give a shit (nt)
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 08:12 AM
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27. I would add that he is a f'ing fruitcake to that mix!!!! n/t
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:19 AM
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I think Perle is saving face.
Isn't it obvious now that Rummy, Cheney, and company had no intention of liberating the Iraqi people except to those who accepted American dominance? Give me a break, Mr. Perle!
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 12:58 PM
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46. A rat jumping earlier that the rest on the sinking ship.
.
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cidliz2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:36 AM
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57. You got it!
The first at the top to abandon ship!
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axollot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:00 PM
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61. ooo how true how true
Could not have said that better m'self!

Can not wait to see the rest of the rats jump off - then the chimp in November!!!!

Wonder if anyone believes Perles lip service or if most people see though him just trying to save face?

Rummy's now left holding the mess all to himself!
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 08:19 PM
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65. I vote for all three. Also in full CYA mode at this point, of course.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 05:15 AM
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3. How many dead Iraqis were there after the "Shock and Awe" phase?
Dick (and I use that term tightly), did you really think we would be greeted as liberators after killing thousands of innocent Iraqis in the initial phase of the war?

Are you really that stupid, Dick?:eyes:
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:14 AM
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7. 800 cruise missiles on a densely populated city.
Their first taste of liberation and democracy. Imagine the horror.

"The sheer size of this has never been... contemplated before," one Pentagon strategist boasted to CBS News. "There will not be a safe place in Baghdad," a city of 5 million people.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 07:16 AM
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20. shock and awe
This is the plan where in the first 48 hours (that’s two days for the numerically challenged), three to four thousand bombs will be dropped on Baghdad. That equates to more than one bomb per minute that will detonate into a city of five million people. Fifty percent of Iraq’s twenty four million people is under the age of fifteen.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/03/03/14_point.html
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cidliz2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:39 AM
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58. Shock and Awe really an expensive Fireworks Show for the American People
And didn't many Americans feel mighty and smug with that grotesque display of our power and ......overkill methods!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:50 AM
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59. You are correct.
We must do our best to punish those responsible for this unjust war. A great number of Americans consider war a REALLY GOOD TV SHOW ! I am in favor of univeersal service, as in many Europen nations. People quickly lose their love for war when they are the ones who have to fight it.
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axollot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:12 PM
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62. I had refused to watch it! n/t
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 05:53 AM
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5. Don't even accept his premise--they knew it was a occupation all right
Now those who want to survive in some form are skipping desperately away (cf. Powell's little potshots).
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:17 PM
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60. You nailed it
These bumbling "experts" got more than they bargained for when they assumed that Iraqis are just some ignorant brown folk that would meekly allow us to help ourselves to their oil. Now it's time for PNAC'ers to say that occupation was never their plan.... (told ya so)
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ablbodyed Donating Member (610 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 05:56 AM
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6. He's trying to innoculate himself....
against the coming war-crimes trials. Maybe he'll turn state's-evidence to reduce the term hes going to serve.
Won't work dickie boy.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:14 AM
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8. The sad part is that he continues
to get away with this crap. He is so full of shit, I can smell it all the way from his cozy little villa in France. He even makes Pepe le Pue smell good.



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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:19 AM
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9. GRAVE error? Stop, you're KILLING me!
Grave error. Tell that to all the soldiers who have died to make Dick Cheney rich! Is Halliburton running the field morgues in Iraq, too?

Grave error. These people slay me!

:freak:
dbt
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 08:37 AM
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30. The whole cabal needs to go to the Hague
Can someone please give me some evidence on why these are the things that they did NOT do (in several countries I may ad)?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1420133.stm
What is a war crime?
By Tarik Kafala
BBC News Online

The trial of former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic and others accused of war crimes at The Hague is being seen as a crucial test of international law and international legal institutions.
(snip)
Article 147 of the Fourth Geneva Convention defines war crimes as: "Willful killing, torture or inhuman treatment, including... willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health, unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement of a protected person, compelling a protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile power, or willfully depriving a protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial, ...taking of hostages and extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly."


This, international lawyers say, is the basic definition of war crimes.

The statutes of The Hague tribunal say the court has the right to try suspects alleged to have violated the laws or customs of war in the former Yugoslavia since 1992. Examples of such violations are given in article 3:

* Wanton destruction of cities, towns or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity
* Attack, or bombardment, by whatever means, of undefended towns, villages, dwellings, or buildings
* Seizure of, destruction or willful damage done to institutions dedicated to religion, charity and education, the arts and sciences, historic monuments and works of art and science
* Plunder of public or private property.

The tribunal defines crime against humanity as crimes committed in armed conflict but directed against a civilian population. Again a list of examples is given in article 5:

* Murder
* Extermination
* Enslavement
* Deportation
* Imprisonment
* Torture
* Rape
* Persecutions on political, racial and religious grounds.

Genocide is defined by the tribunal as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".
(snip)

We know why they wanted freedom from the fear of prosecutions from the place (it's because that is exactly what they planed on doing)
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:20 AM
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10. He has done a grave injury to our country
...he ought to be locked up.
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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:22 AM
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11. IMHO, He only proved you CAN put Perle(s) before swines!
This "criticism" from the man who flaunts that he is a registered democrat every chance he gets. :puke:

This "enlightenment" is only good enough for the foreign press?

This from the man who finally RESIGNED altogether (not just as chairman) from the neo-con Defense Policy Board in Feb. 2004:

<snip>
A Pentagon spokesman confirmed the resignation and said Rumsfeld has accepted it, thanking Perle for his long service on the board, which spanned 17 years. The resignation was first reported late yesterday by Knight Ridder.

In his letter, Perle wrote that too often his views have been wrongly interpreted as reflecting administration policy.

"This results partly from a misunderstanding about the role and nature of the Defense Policy Board, exacerbated by the controversy surrounding policies I have advocated as a private citizen," he said.

The likelihood that he would become a further source of controversy for the administration had increased, he said, as a result of publication of a recent book he co-wrote with David Frum advocating "bold action" against Iran, North Korea and other "sponsors of terrorism," including Saudi Arabia.

"Many of the ideas in that book are controversial, and I wish to be free to argue them without those views or my arguments getting caught up in the campaign," Perle wrote.
<snip>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7653-2004Feb26.html

Is it time yet to sing to the Tennessee Ernie Ford tune:
"17 years (of service) and what do you get?
Another con under, and NEVER forget!"
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DEMVET-USMC Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:23 AM
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12. This Chickenhawk helped lead us into this mess/dissing Gen.Zinni/others
and now he calls his/their plan a grave error. I hate these bastards and what they have done to our Nation. These totally inexperienced A-holes disregarded the likes of Gen.Zinni, Richard Clarke, Powell and his team, and on and on. Why on Earth are twerps like him, Rice,Rummy,Boy George and his band of Pretenders allowed to overrule the very many experienced in warfare people from all levels of our Government ? It is truly outrageous. ...Oscar
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:38 AM
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14. Why indeed!!!???
To understand why one must study the structure of the entire Govt. apperatus. The Neo Fascists control the Exec, Legislative and Judical branches of the Govt. plus the Fourth Estate has been complicit via propaganda in not scrutenizing the criminal actions of BushCo. Ah...then there is the Federal Reserve. If the Democrats as a whole don't develope some spines BushCo will stay in power.
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DEMVET-USMC Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 07:32 AM
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23. Dems Develope some spines: YES,DO IT,it may be our last chance
to bring down BUSHCO. Talk to people,put a Kerry sticker on your car,whatever. Do something. ...Oscar
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:30 AM
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13. What is his motive for saying that???? I can only guess and
say they are building up to something. What I do not know. Republicans in this administration are conniving little turds that will go to no end to make a point.
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icymist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:25 AM
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33. He can smell that their shit is starting to stink...
My guess is that he wishes to plant a 'turd blossom' which, BTW, is Rove's nickname.
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:39 AM
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49. lol that was good.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 11:42 AM
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39. His motive is simply that he doesn't want to be blamed:

"How could I know this would happen? It wasn't my fault."
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:41 AM
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50. I agree . This administration takes no blame.
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:41 AM
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15. Go count your piles of money, Dick
Edited on Thu May-27-04 07:10 AM by susu369
will this man's fifteen minutes ever be up?

Reminds me of Larry the Cable Guy's joke: like a turd that just won't flush.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:45 AM
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16. I really did laugh out loud at that one.
Suits him just fine.
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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 07:11 AM
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18. I wish the media will do their job and
show again his past speeches and interviewes.

This guy is either sick or he believes we have a short memory.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:06 PM
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48. they're too busy blabbering about "terrah" and Kobe
Had a hard time finding any real news this morning.

Although CNBC did have a story suggesting the new reports are politically motivated. :)
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 07:07 AM
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77. This morning on Washington Journal the story was read from the
NY Times, which I can't find right now. The story is that Chalabi, Richard Perle and x CIA director Woolsey (sp) appealed to Condi Rice, that a conspiracy coming from the CIA to oust Chalabi....or something to that effect. Have you heard anything about this?
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monkeymind Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 07:16 AM
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19. Didn't this jackass CREATE the war?
Who in the world would believe him?
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King_Crimson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 07:18 AM
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21. Gee...Mr. Perle...
is there a particular reason people refer to you as "The Prince of Darkness"?
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 07:21 AM
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22. This, I believe is the Chalabi line (lie)
We should have put him in charge right away, heard this line from a chalabist the other day....
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 07:35 AM
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24. Get a Rope.
Round them all up. Speedy trials. Public "punishment".

There's gotta be SOME law against destroying the United States for personal profit, isn't there?
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:13 AM
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31. my thoughts exactly.
Mussolini comes to mind.

:mad:
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 12:07 PM
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44. I think Ann the Man said it best...
'treason'
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 07:36 AM
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25. The cockroaches scurrying
from the light. Why does this nutjob get so much airtime anyway?
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grl2watch Donating Member (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 07:54 AM
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26. Read his C-SPAN Booknotes interview
The calibre of this person is best described from
his own words.

http://www.booknotes.org/Transcript/?ProgramID=1770

I really, really try not to attack people personally,
but this man should be eaten by worms.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 08:49 AM
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56. Thanks for that link. I scanned and bookmarked. Incredible pompous
ass. Agree, but eaten by worms would be too good for him!
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 08:17 AM
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28. The Neocons' purpose was not to save Iraq but to destroy it.
All they had to do was get the U.S. to go in -- so they lobbied endlessly about UN resolutions, then weapons inspectors, finally phantom "weapons of mass destruction" that turned out to be totally fabricated. But once the U.S. went in, their mission was accomplished. Iraq is now a cesspool of ethnic and religious violence, anti-U.S. hatred, and, yes, terrorism.

Just the way they wanted it to be.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 08:30 AM
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29. How convenient, eh?
A war on terror. Good for the weapons industry. Keeps these youngun soldiers from competing in the job market (at the tax-payer's expense) and provides great cover for lucrative corporate contracts and theft of Iraqi natural resources to keep the US riding in their flag-plastered SUVs.

The American way?
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Charles19 Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 10:53 AM
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38. What I don't Understand
is why so many people fail see it this way. Of course Bush wants to "Stay the Course!", it is exactly what is in their interest. Make Iraq into a violent ghetto like Palestinians have to live in, create problems then sell the solutions, the solutions they want.

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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:19 AM
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32. Then WTF was the reason for it at all?
He is PNAC.
Change the Middle East. Establish bases. Take control of the resources because we need them.

He is a god damned moron. He is one of the architects and now he declares it half-baked?

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playahata1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:26 AM
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34. So what the hell was Perle thinking?
Did he honestly think that Bushco was going to do in and to Iraq did not call for some sort of extended stay there? It just goes to show that people like him do not understand the purpose of a standing military.

Look, I'm no expert on politics -- international or domestic. But the neocon/PNAC rationale sounds like some sort of fantasy, an intellectual exercise. Nerds such as Wolfowitz and Perle and Kristol can't pull off their fantasy themselves, so they need the playground bully to do their dirty work for them. That playground bully is the military, which they were too cute and too frail and dainty and delicate and too SMART to join. (Don't wanna get their plump little hands dirty, huh?) "Let's get those big strong working-class young white and black and brown men and women to make our fantasy a reality."
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:39 AM
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35. trying to save his
ass because of the Chalabi investigation. Who was it that gave Chalabi the sensitive and classified secret information so that he could pass it on to the Iranians?

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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:42 AM
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36. Don't tell us...!
Tell the 800+ American soldiers and the 10,000s of Iraqis who died as a result of your "grave error."

(Oh, and be sure to mention it to the 9,000+ American soldiers who are permanently maimed...)
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AngryWhiteLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 09:50 AM
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37. Wouldn't the "Prince of Darkness" sow the seeds of chaos, then slink away?
Edited on Thu May-27-04 09:52 AM by AngryWhiteLiberal
Perle has served his purpose. Like Eago in Othello, he whispered conspiracy and discontent into the ear of Bush, who bought his story of Iraqi liberation and democratization of the Arab states "hook-line-and-sinker."

Too bad, Pearle is not likely to suffer the same fate as Shakespeare's antagonist.

JB
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tranche Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 11:45 AM
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40. Bush's Trifecta...
1. some like Perle actually believed invading iraq would help the middle east
2. some like Cheney actually believed invading iraq would help in controlling oil resources
3. some like Rummy actually believed invading iraq would be a cool way of killing people
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 11:45 AM
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41. Perle's entire Life was a grave error! He's should be a
pro-abortion poster child.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 12:03 PM
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42. A teeny bit late for a Mea Culpa
From Slobdovan Bush's little droog.
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peterh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 12:43 PM
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45. it’s not his first and one has to wonder what will be his next….
It’s almost as if he’s trying to clean his slate before kicking the bucket….a neocon with a new found conscious….it just doesn’t friggin’ compute…


http://www.rense.com/general32/inspt.htm

admitted the US would attack Iraq even if UN inspectors fail to find weapons. Nov `02

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2894059.stm

he resigns as a pentagon adviser in March `03 because of his involvement with Global Crossing

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1089158,00.html

conceded that the invasion of Iraq had been illegal. Nov `03



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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 12:04 PM
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43. I didn't mean to kill all these people -if they had gotten out of the way
...AAAAARRRRGGGHHH! :wtf: :grr: :nuke:

:mad:

How dare this "creature" from Hell who basically drafted & preached this policy to the Bushies now say such things like this?

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oldcoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:05 PM
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47. When is this article showing up in a U.S. paper?
Unless Americans are easily able to read or listen to his comments, it really does not matter if he admits that the U.S. occupation was a "grave error."
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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:18 AM
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51. you're a little late, perle.
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coda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:29 AM
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52. Dick Perle is always a better read in retrospect.

Both articles are worth perusing.....promise.


Europe lacks moral fibre, says US hawk

Edward Pilkington and Ewen MacAskill
Wednesday November 13, 2002
The Guardian

Richard Perle, a leading Pentagon adviser on Iraq, last night launched an extraordinary tirade against Europe which he accused of losing its moral direction and providing succour to Saddam Hussein.
"I think Europe has lost its moral compass. Many Europeans have become so obsessed by the prospect of violence they have failed to notice who we are dealing with," he said in an interview with the Guardian.

Mr Perle expressed serious reservations about the United Nations chief weapons inspector, Hans Blix, and the ability of his team to disarm Iraq.


<snip>


"Germany has subsided into a moral numbing pacifism. For the German chancellor to say he will have nothing to do with action against Saddam Hussein, even if approved by the United Nations, is unilateralism," Mr Perle said.


<snip>


Did the French show more signs of moral fibre? "I have seen diplomatic manoeuvre, but not moral fibre," Mr Perle said.


<snip>

"I don't see how anyone, particularly any liberal, can say anything that can be construed as protecting the regime of Saddam Hussein. And yet that's the position that many on the left have taken."


LOL. WHO??? WHO PROTECTED THE REGIME OF SADDAM HUSSEIN???



http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,838938,00.html




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"Relax, Celebrate Victory," By Richard Perle

2 May 2003

Richard Perle op-ed article in USA Today

This byliner by Richard Perle, a member of the Defense Policy Board, first appeared in USA Today May 2 and is in the public domain. No republication restrictions.

Relax, Celebrate Victory
Richard Perle

From start to finish, President Bush has led the United States and its coalition partners to the most important military victory since World War II. And like the allied victory over the axis powers, the liberation of Iraq is more than the end of a brutal dictatorship: It is the foundation for a decent, humane government that will represent all the people of Iraq.

This was a war worth fighting. It ended quickly with few civilian casualties and with little damage to Iraq's cities, towns or infrastructure. It ended without the Arab world rising up against us, as the war's critics feared, without the quagmire they predicted, without the heavy losses in house-to-house fighting they warned us to expect. It was conducted with immense skill and selfless courage by men and women who will remain until Iraqis are safe, and who will return home as heroes.

In full retreat, the war's opponents have now taken up new defensive positions: "Yes, it was a military victory, but you haven't found Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction." Or, "Yes, we destroyed Saddam's regime, but now other dictators will try even harder to develop weapons of mass destruction to make sure they will not fall to some future American preemptive strike."

We will find Saddam's well-hidden chemical and biological weapons programs, but only when people who know come forward and tell us where to look. While Saddam was in power, even a hint about his concealment and deception was a death sentence, often by unimaginable torture against whole families. Saddam had four years to hide things. We have had a few weeks to find them. Patience — and some help from free Iraqis — will be rewarded.

The idea that our victory over Saddam will drive other dictators to develop chemical and biological weapons misses the key point: They are already doing so. That's why we may someday need to preempt rather than wait until we are attacked.

Iran, Syria, North Korea, Libya, these and other nations are relentless in their pursuit of terror weapons. Does anyone seriously argue that they would abandon their programs if we had left Saddam in power? It is a little like arguing that we should not subdue knife-wielding criminals because, if we do, other criminals will go out and get guns. Moreover, this argument, deployed by those who will not take victory for an answer, confuses cause and effect: Does any peaceful state that neither harbors terrorists nor seeks weapons of mass destruction fear that we will launch a preemptive strike against it? Who are they? Why would they?

Iraqis are freer today and we are safer. Relax and enjoy it.

(Richard Perle, assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration, is a member of the Defense Policy Board, which advises the Pentagon on military affairs.)


more.......


http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/press/0502perle.htm


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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 08:00 AM
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53. Now ain't that ducky-poo, now ain't that special
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GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 08:17 AM
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54. UMMM How does he suppose that would happen?
I'm even skeptical that the transition can take place on June 30. There are three major factions in Iraq -- the Shiites, the Sunnis and the Kurds -- and without our occupation their coexistence will erupt into a civil war. That's one of the reasons I opposed the war from the start.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 08:28 AM
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55. Ahhh...Perle, trying to dig yourself out of that big bomb hole, now....are
you? What disgusting Chicken Hawk Cowards. Trying to spin there way out of their Evil trashing of our whole American foreign policy.

This guy and the rest of his band of Merry PNAC'ers should be tried for treason! The whole bunch...the whole damned administration and all their appointees should be tried. They should be thrown out and Gore should be put in during the interim before the next Election.

:nuke:
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:15 PM
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63. Yes, it would have looked better...
but US puppets, regardless of nationality, would not have done much different.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:41 PM
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64. Is he still saying the UN is irrelevant?
I remember him on The Charlie Rose show and his arrogance was just unbelievable when he stated "flatly" that the UN irrelevant today. It was my first time to see him and I'll never forget the shock I felt that such a person was making policy!
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SandyUSA Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:57 PM
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66. The Dark Prince of lies and destruction
Hi Folks, Richard Perle has no interest in democracy for the Middle East, and any baloney now about the war on Iraq being in his view some kind of error... it is all just a gigantic lie.

Richard Perle serves the interests of the most extremist elements in Israel. There are many wonderful Israeli peace activists such as Jeff Halper and Uri Avnery who speak out against the fanatical ideology of such elements.

An earlier Israeli activist who has since passed away was Israel Shahak. He translated many documents from Hebrew and had a regular newsletter and other publications to expose the wrongs in the Israeli government and military.

The document I am about to refer to goes back to 1982. Please note Ariel Sharon was a part of the scheming then and is still at it, trying by hook or by crook (actually US military poswer to do it for him) to divide and subdue all the Arab nations. In other words, seeming error in not creating a united democratic nation in Iraq is actually a victory!

I do research on the Middle East. The man who originally posted this document on the Internet used to be in touch with me. His site was called the Roundtable. Suddenly around the start of the war on Iraq, all of his web pages vanished, and he no longer replied to my e-mail. I was worried because I knew of another man who pulled his own website after he and his family were terrorized at home and had their car blown up in their drive-way. He also moved away to avoid any more danger from -ultra Zionist terrorists. Anyhow, it seems some other folks had fortunately saved the Roundtable work, so here is a short selection from it, and then a link to the complete document:

REMEMBER -- This goes back to 1982 -- when you see Sharon mentioned.

The Zionist Plan for the Middle East
Translated and edited by

Israel Shahak

The following essay represents, in my opinion, the accurate and detailed plan of the present Zionist regime (of Sharon and Eitan) for the Middle East which is based on the division of the whole area into small states, and the dissolution of all the existing Arab states. I will comment on the military aspect of this plan in a concluding note. Here I want to draw the attention of the readers to several important points:

1. The idea that all the Arab states should be broken down, by Israel, into small units, occurs again and again in Israeli strategic thinking. For example, Ze'ev Schiff, the military correspondent of Ha'aretz (and probably the most knowledgeable in Israel, on this topic) writes about the "best" that can happen for Israeli interests in Iraq: "The dissolution of Iraq into a Shi'ite state, a Sunni state and the separation of the Kurdish part" (Ha'aretz 6/2/1982). Actually, this aspect of the plan is very old.

2. The strong connection with Neo-Conservative thought in the USA is very prominent, especially in the author's notes. But, while lip service is paid to the idea of the "defense of the West" from Soviet power, the real aim of the author, and of the present Israeli establishment is clear: To make an Imperial Israel into a world power. In other words, the aim of Sharon is to deceive the Americans after he has deceived all the rest.

3. It is obvious that much of the relevant data, both in the notes and in the text, is garbled or omitted, such as the financial help of the U.S. to Israel. Much of it is pure fantasy. But, the plan is not to be regarded as not influential, or as not capable of realization for a short time. The plan follows faithfully the geopolitical ideas current in Germany of 1890-1933, which were swallowed whole by Hitler and the Nazi movement, and determined their aims for East Europe. Those aims, especially the division of the existing states, were carried out in 1939-1941, and only an alliance on the global scale prevented their consolidation for a period of time.

The notes by the author follow the text. To avoid confusion, I did not add any notes of my own, but have put the substance of them into this foreward and the conclusion at the end. I have, however, emphasized some portions of the text.

Israel Shahak
June 13, 1982

http://www.theunjustmedia.com/the%20zionist_plan_for_the_middle_east.htm

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homelandpunk Donating Member (787 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:22 PM
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67. For your part to this nightmare, please put a bullet in your head
ASAP YOU BLOOD-DRENCHED MOTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:25 PM
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68. Success...
... has many fathers. Failure is an orphan. Richard, you won't hold it against us if we insist upon child support payments for your fiasco, will you?
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SandyUSA Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 02:02 AM
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69. Nah, Nah, Nah -- Perle never had democracy in mind for Iraq
Here is another article that goes back to last year about the real motives behind the war on Iraq, and the part Perle has played in all this. These neo-cons say one thing but mean other quite opposite things!

Making the World Safe for Sharon’s Israel

Saturday, March 01 2003 @ 09:12 PM EST

"Thanks to Perle’s persuasion, along with that of other members of what the Washington Post (02/09/03) labeled the 'Likudnik cabal,' the American president is preparing to export 'democracy' to Iraq .."

By William Hughes

(PalestineChronicle.com) - Who invented democracy? Here in the Christian West, we have always given credit to the Greeks. This was long before one of democracy’s most fraudulent adherents, the odious Richard Perle, appeared on the world stage. He wants to use what HE calls, “democracy,” to make the Middle East safe for Israel. And he cleverly pretends his scheme is in our national interest. As a Missouri farmer might say of him, “That guy is full of it!”

Now, thanks to Perle’s persuasion, along with that of other members of what the Washington Post (02/09/03) labeled the “Likudnik cabal,” the American president, George W. Bush Jr., is preparing to export “democracy” to Iraq. It will be delivered via a massive military invasion. No vote by the Iraqi people will be permitted on this question. Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Egypt, the Palestinian Authority, and Saudi Arabia, too, may be next on our “democracy” hit list.

See rest of article:

http://palestinechronicle.com/article.php?story=20030301211238865
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 02:04 AM
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70. PUTIN TOLD YOU THAT BEFORE THE WAR,
Edited on Sat May-29-04 02:05 AM by BullGooseLoony
YOU STUPID FUCK!

On edit: Putin used those EXACT words.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 02:12 AM
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71. MISTER Perle:
Your very presence on this planet is a "grave error"!

:grr:
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Robin Hood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 03:14 AM
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72. WTF?!! I just saw this deviant prick on TV whoring for this war.
It's only been in the last couple of weeks that I saw him on some show whoring his twisted mistress of death to the public. What has changed?

Success has many fathers and failure is an orphan.
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Algomas Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 03:56 AM
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73. Let me say it again...
The only silver lining in this insane PNAC cloud of "Full Spectrum Dominance" is that their policy is being executed by a crackerjack team of "Full Spectrum Incompetents"

The situation is darkly humorous and thankfully the joke may yet be on them! The sick bastards...
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 04:18 AM
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74. Last year he suggested France should be booted out of NATO.
Since it was against invading Iraq.

The man is a mad conspiracy theorist, but unlike the people on DU who back up their theories with reason and evidence, Perle offered nothing. He's is a very very dangerous man, mocked by his betters in the military and political establishment. It's one thing to listen to a drunk in a bar drooling this nonsense, but it is another for the US and British medial to give this fool a regular pulpit to spout off in. He should simply be ignored. He is a maniac.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/09/05/perle/index.html
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 05:16 AM
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75. Relish this moment, DUers
This is, quite possibly, the closest a PNAC ratfucker will ever come to admitting error. But whatever you do, don't turn your back on this cretin. He's going to show up again, touting some "new & improved" plan for invading Syria or Cuba.
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SandyUSA Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 05:35 AM
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76. Chalabi-gate: None Dare Call It Treason - Perle statement
May 28, 2004
Chalabi-gate: None Dare Call It Treason
Neocons behind bars? Sounds good to me….
by Justin Raimondo

Part about Richard Perle:

Speaking of business connections, how does Richard Perle make his living except by using his government connections to profit handsomely from the war-driven neocon agenda? Oh well, never mind that: let's get to the juicy part. Walker also reports that these poor persecuted neocons "are now beginning to fight back," and in a familiar fashion:

"Richard Perle told this reporter Tuesday that the gloves were off. … Perle has no doubts that some of the attacks on him are coming directly from the CIA, in order to cover their own exposed rears, attacking Chalabi's intelligence to distract attention from their own mistakes. 'I believe that much of the CIA operation in Iraq was owned by Saddam Hussein,' Perle said. 'There were 45 decapitation attempts against Saddam – and he survived them all. How could that be, if he was not manipulating the intelligence?'"

Gee, I guess this means that, on account of all those failed "decapitation attempts" on Fidel Castro over the years, the Cuban Communists exercised joint ownership of the CIA along with Saddam's Ba'athists. Oh, what a Perle of wisdom, but the Prince of Darkness was just getting started:

"Perle went on to suggest an even darker motive behind the attacks on the neo-cons; that the real target was Israel's Likud government and the staunch support for Israel's prime minister Ariel Sharon in the Bush administration. When this was put to one CIA source, the reply was mocking: 'That's what they always do. As soon as these guys get any criticism, they scream Israel and anti-Semitism, and I think people are finally beginning to see through that smokescreen.'"

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=2683

SANDY'S NOTE: I saw a large chart of sorts in the newspaper several days ago of Perle's tangled web of government and business connections. I will see if later today I can scan a pic of it and post it here in a smaller version.
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SandyUSA Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 07:01 PM
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79. Here it is: Perle's tangled web -- crook, traitor, and war-monger in one


The Ultimate Insider
Richard N. Perle's Many Business Ventures Followed His Years as a Defense Official
By David S. Hilzenrath
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, May 24, 2004; Page E01

Part of article:

On one level, Perle's business career is like those of many former Washington officials who used the expertise and contacts gained in government to carve niches in the corporate world. But more than most, Perle also has maintained an active public policy role. Perle, 62, is best known in recent years for his advocacy of war with Iraq and tough measures to fight terrorism. Over the weekend, Perle was trying to rally support for Ahmed Chalabi, the embattled head of the Iraqi National Congress, who for years Perle has backed.

Perle also is an author and lecturer, a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and was a foreign policy adviser to George W. Bush's 2000 presidential campaign.

snip

Unlike many who pass through Washington's revolving door, Perle for 17 years managed to keep one foot in the government as a member of the Defense Policy Board, which offers advice on key issues to the secretary of defense.

Go to this page to see (and email to yourself the entire article before it goes into archive). You have to register, but it's quick.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50388-2004May23.html

Check out to the right on that page the links for two graphics:

Perle's Business Ventures: A look at Richard N. Perle's government and public policy-related jobs and how they relate to his business activities.

Perle's Path: Richard N. Perle has translated his Pentagon connections, first established when he served as an assistant defense secretary in the Reagan administration, into an array of corporate directorships and consulting arrangements.
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