Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Student Whose Hair Set Afire Told To Stay Home Alleged Attacker Remains In

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:22 PM
Original message
Student Whose Hair Set Afire Told To Stay Home Alleged Attacker Remains In
Edited on Thu May-27-04 01:22 PM by rmpalmer
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/3348196/detail.html

A 13-year-old Denver girl said she was threatened with a knife at her middle school and her hair was set on fire, yet she was the one who was told to stay home for the remainder of the school year while her alleged attacker wasn't suspended or even investigated.

Courtney Glowczewski has a small right arm and leg because of cerebral palsy, a disability that her teachers say has not kept her from working hard in school and being a good student.

"I do really good in my classes. My teachers tell me, 'Good job,' and, 'You're doing very good,' and 'Excellent girl,'" said Glowczewski.

But her physical appearance has made her a target of taunting and of physical attack, which she said has never been addressed by the administration at Martin Luther King Middle School. Last week, she said the bullying got worse when she said she was threatened and assaulted by a seventh grade boy.

"He pulled out a knife, a silver knife, a pocket knife, and then he said 'What!?' So I was scared and didn't know what to do," said Glowczewski.

As she walked to her seat she smelled smoke and one of her classmates was patting her hard on the back.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:30 PM
Response to Original message
1. Colorado....no wonder Columbine's happen
when adults let kids get away with bullying. That kid who pulled the knife and burnt her hair needs some serious disipline. The adults can go to hell, I mean jail.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #1
13. That little bastard's parents are likely bullies, themselves
...and showed up at the school, all lawyered up. If the girl has any witnesses to the knife or the burning at all, she needs to name them NOW, preferably at the police department. This kid needs to be taken out of school and off the damn streets.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #13
41. Police in Colorado? They still haven't found out who killed Jon Benet
what is up out there?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #1
40. It happens all over... I'm taking my son's school district in WI
My fifth grade son isn't going on his class trip because the bullying has gotten worse.
When I wrote to the school board and the Superintendent about the bullying that my son's have endured the last 10 years. The reply was that after conducting an investigation the Sup. discovered that my boys have never been bullied. I have practically lived in the principals office for the past three years! They are more concerned with covering their asses then doing their jobs.
*I must say that my youngest classroom teacher and guidence counsler have tried but unless there is a school wide anti-bullying program their efforts do little good.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #1
61. This is odd.
It's a mandatory expulsion to threaten someone with a knife, no matter what the size (even carrying one with a blade > 3" on school grounds is mandatory). Why is he still in school?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tkulesa Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:33 PM
Response to Original message
2. This really PISSES ME OFF
A girl gets assaulted because she has a disability and she's an easy target, so what does the school do? They punish the victim!

I hope there is one hell of a lawsuit involved. These $#%@! need to know that you can't condone this kind of behavior. When someone gets attacked it is the ATTACKER you're supposed to punish.

How much do you want to bet that the boy who attacked her is popular. I'll bet they "didn't want to ruin his future over one little mistake."

:mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr:
:argh:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. the assailant is probably a hero
even moreso now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #3
5. im betting football or bball player
gotta protect the jocks ya know.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #5
15. You're probably
onto it there. My property taxes pay for this shit?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CO Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. Or The Son of a Prominent RepubliKKKan
Legitimate or otherwise....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #7
14. Oh, don't be ridiculous --
no Republican is legitimate.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #2
47. He'll be running for President in the future on the repuke ticket.
You can bet he'll get plenty of votes, too!

Just like bunkerboy.

Wonder if he enjoys blowing up frogs by sticking firecrackers up their butts like bush* did?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:36 PM
Response to Original message
4. What.... that is horrendous.
This isn't even a case where of "it wasn't clear who was culpable so we weren't sure who to punish" or some other lame excuse... the school didn't call the police, didn't allow for any kind of investigation after a student SET FIRE to another student. Wouldn't that be criminal assualt?

Now I am one that often thinks schools over react to situtations and have come to rely on calling the police to easily (and over some really stupid incidents.) This, however, is a clear cut case where the police should be called. Then to make matters worse, they send the girl home for the rest of the year... and NOW admit they made mistakes and they would "provide the opportunity and transportation" for summer school to the girl if she wants it. Excuse me - that helps? Giving up her summer because the school handled this awfully?

Something is very, very wrong with this story.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #4
63. Yes. The police should have been called.
This is clear assault. Denver Pub Schools just got in trouble not too long ago for not calling the police when a girl was sexually assaulted in a classroom. I'm surprised that they're letting it happen again.

And for the "all public schools suck" crowd, I can tell you that we expel kids for this kind of behavior whenever we hear about it. I'm part of the review team myself. And yes, the parents come unglued when we tell them - even in situations that are so obvious that you just want to knock their heads together - "Yes, your Johnny was caught on videotape fer Chrissakes grabbing the crotch and breasts of an 8th grader - it was not "just being a boy" it was sexual assault and he's outta here."

In come the attorneys and out goes another $10,000 in fees.

PS. I'm not in DPS, so I can't speak for them. For all I know, they are hopeless.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:43 PM
Response to Original message
6. So
Is it me or does there seem to be more to this then the school is letting on. Like who is the kinfe wielding little monster, could it be that mom and dad might be important people in the community.

Perhaps the reason that the school didn't call the police on this kid,
is because they didn't like the idea of a disabled child making their
school look bad.

The questions are endless.

Afterall it is Republican Colorado, and we know that they have those great "Family Values".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:46 PM
Response to Original message
8. Schools
I'll tell you right now,
The bullies in society need to be stopped.They need to be limited and told what they do to others is intolerable. Be they a bully middle schooler or an abusive parent,or a prison guard or president and his henchmen ..ALL bullies need to be held accountable to those they exploit and hurt.
No one can be free or happy with a bully in the room.
There is no justice with bullies.

I'm sick to death of our bully lovin'culture.And the bully loving conditioning we have swallowed hook line and sinker..
Goddamn it when will the bystanders DO SOMETHING besides turn away or play make believe?

it has been shown if so much as one of the stupid bystanders in any bully situation who stands by waiting for someone else to take the responsibility to stop an attack decides to act to stops it themselves than something like 90% of bullying incidents stop immediately.

It's called changing culture one person at a time ,standing up for your own integrity,for a better society by saying no more cruelty.

Bullies are cowards and very pathetic,and they only appear powerful because of the culture they surround themselves with.Bullies need a culture(a crowd) that condones excuses,rationalizes and will not stop their immoral actions.People who are bystanders and enablers are their kind of culture.And America is full to the brim with these kinds of folks stuck in this master slave mind fuck..

And ultimately our sick social failure manifests in enabling and by standing.This habit of cowardice and denial when in the face of a dominating,charismatic manipulating bully puts the likes of shrub in office, lets Ceos like Enron do crimes against employees and get away with it,it lets prisons like Abu Gharib be forgotten and redefined without serious investigation of the bully brass offenders or punishment of the bullies who are the ringleaders of their stinking hierarchy/gang.
If you know in your heart abuse ,torture and bullying is wrong, than act like it is when you see it/hear it/witness it.Get up and do something real to STOP IT.Action that is physical,morally condemning of the bully can instantly change the culture around you.It breaks the follow the leader spell. Don't be an enabler or a bystander when different or weaker people around you are bullied.
And don't let others fill those roles.
Don't let bullies lead~ever.

Fuck that girl's school.If I was her parents I'd be the school administrations worst nightmare and I would pay a visit to the bullies parents and embarrass them any way I could to show how their fire setter us such a monster to my kid. Fuck this bully culture.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #8
21. monsters

In the 70's I was harassed teased tormented because I had bucked teeth.
After my teeth were fixed the hatred did not cease.I was the scapegoat.The poison container of my school.School can be a war zone for some kids.It DOES happen.Just because your school years may have not been torture does not men it does not happen to other kids.
I have PTSD from what I went through in middle school. The teachers looked the other way,the other kids either stood around or participated,none of them did the right thing.An entire school, of 500 or so people let me get abused.500 cowards..Parents went into denial. They said my bully kid does nothing wrong But I was hurt by their little monster.But I didn't count as a human being I was the school scapegoat they rationalized I had brought it upon myself.. ..Our culture is playing pretend.
Bullying is a cultural /personal/community /authority /moral problem.
The problem is our culture tolerates it and in it's actions twords messengers and victims of bullies it condones it..

Now when bullies get in trouble everyone gets so involved but when a kid is targeted it isn't seen..as THE outcast,the kid is abused in secret until a culture is formed that tolerates it because the scapegoat kids are seen as lesser beings no one cares except the scapegoat kids parents~that is if they find out the truth at all.

It's a symptom of our chicken yard style of socialization.Chickens do nothing to stop a dominating rooster.They accept it as the way it is too.(ever hear someone bitch about powers that be)And if you ever been around chickens you will eventually see there is one especially arrogant rooster with resplendent feathers strutting around bopping heads acting like lord of the manor ,a gaggle of hens attend him,while another chicken with plucked feathers raw skin,is hiding from all the chickens,especially the big rooster..This chicken is the subordinate the scapegoat,And it chicken culture this is OK morally.

Chickens are not as creative,or intelligent as we are.
They have less of a chance of understanding and changing their own behaviors or the moral stupidity of their social structure than we do.
Yet as a human society we morally can't get past the damn chicken yard yet. The big rooter(powers that be) is still sitting upon us,He likes it this way being on top. And we don't take initiative and change the culture and throw the big rooster off of us in enough numbers to walk upright abandon the charismatic bully and"leader"and embrace and protect the weak,sensitized,suffering,hurting,different in our flocks from those who enjoy tormenting them.Nope to many undecideds and bully enablers make standing up for what is right appear wrong! Unbelievable? ...Believe it.

So until that big rooster is old and weak he is obeyed,than he is torn apart he is hated so..And society goes into denial it seeks a "new leader" and another chicken tells tales that look nice with his gang replaces him as the new tyrant while he preaches his love for the flock,he abuses them. This is true for the human chicken yards of middle school and business and politics.
We need to kill the big dominating roosters in our own hearts and bind him in our interactions together we need to never trust a big sweet talking bully to ever care about the weaker and scapegoated or tell the truth. We as individuals need to quit hoping we can be the one to replace him when he grows old..
It's time to evolve out of the social chicken yard,people.

Bullying breeds shame upon the victims of it because our culture abhors the hurt,weak,sensitive and different..
So you know the kind of person our culture adores.The narcissistic,conforming,charismatic,shallow"cool"sarcastic,brutish, control freak,cruel arrogant,selfish,socialized sociopath`The bully/leader personality is the most dangerous toxic thing humanity has to face contain or change to save itself.
It's not easy for victims of abuse to speak out in their own voices in a bully loving culture still in denial that bullying happens let alone how bad it hurts.
And when 'helper'people impose this dick measuring contest between victims to see who's suffering is worthy of attention this does nothing to help the truly hurting because bullies exploit the victim game too.

bullies will do anything to get what they want.

Look at bullying incidents like this
A knife fight:
A bully cannot feel the knife go in like the victim does,
The knife cannot feel pain either,
The doctors and experts don't feel the pain as they probe the wounds,
The critic can't feel it
nor can any of the people who saw the knife fight.
Only the person who was stabbed is qualified to say how bad he was hurt.


So it is in the bullies interest to make sure the victim does not cry out when his flesh bleeds.The bully can distract,make excuses,lie,play victim or blame the victim when he's caught with blood on his hands.
And people who would rather not care,not get involved it is in their interest the victim does not cry too loudly too.Other people with more empathy might investigate the scene and ask the bystander why he did nothing and embarrass him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #21
42. well said
"The problem is (that) our culture tolerates it and in its actions towards messengers and victims of bullies, it condones it.."

That is how it is easy to get the 'murken folks to swallow the notion that Abu Ghraib was "soldiers letting off a little steam".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Roaming Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #21
57. Fellow victim here; I agree with everything you said. I found a book
that is helpful for trying to put it to rest, to forgive (at least for me). It's called No More Bullies: For Those Who Wound or Are Wounded; here's the link to it on Amazon if you or anyone else viewing this thread might be interested:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0849943361/qid=1085775191/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/102-7302056-4872148?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #21
58. I wish I'd had this quote earlier..
"Look at bullying incidents like this
A knife fight:
A bully cannot feel the knife go in like the victim does,
The knife cannot feel pain either,
The doctors and experts don't feel the pain as they probe the wounds,
The critic can't feel it
nor can any of the people who saw the knife fight.
Only the person who was stabbed is qualified to say how bad he was hurt."

Exactly. And when people give me crap about not wanting to go to the mall or large social events, that is what I can say back to them.

Another shitty thing about our society, especially with boys, is that we're never supposed to complain about it. We're supposed to get all macho and "take care of it." I'm not someone who gets into fights, never liked anything about fighting, but the response seems to be, "If someone bullies you, just kick their ass." That's such BS. #1: I'm about 120 lbs, so there's not too many people whose ass I can kick. #2: Bullying is an extremely unpleasant situation, and putting myself into another unpleasant situation by fighting doesn't improve anything.

When Columbine happened, and everyone was blaming Marilyn Manson and violence on TV and trenchcoats, I was thinking that this kind of response only causes more kids to feel like nobody hears them, and consequently, feel like their only option is to shoot up their school. It sounds sick to say, but (without justifying their actions one bit) I can actually sympathize a little bit with the Columbine killers. No one knows what it's like to be bullied and what goes through your head during that time except for the people who have been or are being bullied.

Sorry for the long, rambling post, but this topic is kind of a sore spot with me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:49 PM
Response to Original message
9. This breaks my heart
And pisses me off. Typical reaction from the system. I was always saddened and the first to stick up for these kids when I was in school. Most of the time the bullies were the jock heads (sorry to any of you who were in to the sports). I could never imagine participating in this type of behavior back then, and I am so sad to still see it going on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:49 PM
Response to Original message
10. Outrageous and unbelievable
Home school!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 01:58 PM
Response to Original message
11. don`t get mad-get a lawyer
sue the shit out of everyone involved..make their lives a living hell for years,just like they did to that little girl-make them pay and pay...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:41 AM
Response to Reply #11
55. I agree...
Edited on Fri May-28-04 07:42 AM by Scooter24
My father is an ACLU lawyer (legal strategist), I forwarded this story to him and to MSNBC. I hope he knows someone that can help these people, if they haven't gotten help themselves. Also, I wrote a very stern letter to the school.

Unbelievable...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:04 PM
Response to Original message
12. Another case of mentally disabled school administrators
Is there something about low intelligence people that leads them into school administration?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. No, but there is something about underfunding schools ...
that makes them underpay teachers and administrators, so guess who goes into those jobs?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #12
64. Ahem.
OK, I'll bite. I'm a central administrator. Pardon me while I scratch myself.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:20 PM
Response to Original message
17. Here's an update. And the school really screwed up.
Edited on Thu May-27-04 02:21 PM by MissMarple
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_2917937,00.html

I don't see how they can make it up to her. The school sounds like it is out of control.

<There were serious lapses in our processes and our standards," said DPS spokesman Mark Stevens. "Victims of harassment and bullying need support and outreach and our full attention."

Sherrie Glowczewski said police were never called by the school after Courtney reported the assault. Further, her daughter was told to clean out her locker - alone - before her mother arrived to pick her up.

"She needed to be protected at that school," Sherrie Glowczewski said. "And even after this happened, nobody protected her. They let her roam the halls."

Martin Luther King Jr. Middle School had the most fights of any school in the state, according to statistics released in September. Sherrie Glowczewski says what happened to her daughter grows out of an environment in which children can be disruptive with impunity.>
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #17
22. MLK
has looong been a problem school. My heart breaks for this child. Hopefully with the press coverage, something good will come of it for her.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #17
65. MLK is a total mess, no question.
Isn't that the same school where they removed all the administration at the beginning of the school year because it was so chaotic?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:21 PM
Response to Original message
18. Update
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/3352550/detail.html


Judging by the way bullies were "disciplined" in my high school when I was there, it's probably a pretty minor punishment compared to the lifetime of issues this girl is going to have from having to go through all this.

And to those of you who think there is more to this story, I totally agree. I'd be willing to bet that the little sociopath who did this is probably an athlete or the brother of an older athlete. Not that all athlete's are assholes, just that schools seem to give them a lot more leeway to act like pricks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:21 PM
Response to Original message
19. The Person Who Did This
Ought to be beaten dead with heavy sticks on stage at a mandatory school assembly....

"Kill one, warn one hundred."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. Ewww... That's a tad harsh, don't you think?
Or are you referring to the assistant principal, not the attacking student?

Personally, I think the assistant principal should be fired. And the teachers, well, they have problems, and installing a new principal won't solve that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #20
27. The More The Merrier, Ma'am
The incompetent official is liable properly for the misdeeds of those subject to its authority.

Persons such as this are not salvageable....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Baltimoreboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:18 PM
Response to Reply #19
31. If it were my daughter
I could virtually guarantee it.

I am not the best turn-the-other-cheek kinda person.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:43 PM
Response to Original message
23. If true, this is fucked up beyond belief
Bet the Hair-Burning Kid has Rich parents or is a Sports Star.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:49 PM
Response to Original message
24. Just another chapter in "The Nazification of Amerika".
It seems that those with handicaps are viewed as problems who get special rights. I've heard freepers complain about handicap parking spots that are wasted on cripples. And how our tax dollars are wasted by making buses more handicap-friendly. Its disgusting!
The handicapped are held in the same light as non-christians, liberals, intellectuals, homosexuals.... "Undesirables"! And if bu$h retains his crown we will see more and more of this, and probably worse.

I am a stutterer and throughout my school days I was bullied by classmates AND teachers. But that was 35-40 years ago. You'd think that our society would have changed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:51 PM
Response to Original message
25. Hate crime....burn the disabled white girl.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. Are you trying to say this was a racist attack?
I didn't see any mention of racism or of the assailant's race in the article. It looks like standard bullying of someone who's weaker than others. Why do you say this?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:27 PM
Response to Reply #29
34. I looked at the demographics of the school.
Very seldom does the minority population of a school bully the majority population of the school.

These characteristics can help a school understand the needs of its students.
This information is based on the 2000 - 2001 school year.

Ethnicity Number Percent
American Indian 11 0.7%
African American 727 49.3%
Asian 45 3.1%
Hispanic 550 37.3%
White 142 9.6%
Total 1475 100%
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #29
44. Denver media
don't dare breathe that word. They're pathetic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #25
35. Hate crime... burn the disabled girl, period.
The race issue may have exacerbated matters in this instance, but students with disabilities are frequently the victims of this kind of violence (not "bullying") committed by others of their own race.

You see, we don't really qualify as fully-fledged white people, with the first-class citizenship and everything. </sarcasm> Many states think it's perfectly OK to discriminate against us openly. Tennessee, for one, just went all the way to SCOTUS to keep from providing wheelchair access to its county courthouses! (They lost.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
demdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. Sex, race and disabilities are all covered in the hate crime laws.
Edited on Thu May-27-04 03:49 PM by demdave
Funny you should only want to leave one category out.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #36
38. In CO, age and disability are covered separately
under a different statue called "wrongs to at-risk adults".

http://csp.state.co.us/academy/ar1298.htm

However, the elderly and the physically disabled (but not gays or lesbians) are the subject of another Colorado statute <5>, wrongs to at risk adults. This statute makes criminal certain acts against adults who are 60 years of age or older and those persons, regardless of age, who are physically disabled. Physically disabled persons are those who are unable to walk, see, hear or speak or unable to breathe without mechanical assistance or who are mentally ill.

In general, the acts which are made criminal <6> are acts of criminal negligence resulting in death or in serious bodily injury <7>.

This statute, wrongs to at risk adults, is NOT a hate crime statute because there is NO requirement to prove that the defendant was motivated to harm or injure the victim by the victim's age or disability. The victim has the protection of the statute as long as he is a member of the protected class, regardless of the defendant's motivation.


Don't know if there are additional penalties under this one.

Of note is that an attempt to add age and disability to the hate crime ("ethnic intimidation") statute was defeated -- because the measure included gays and lesbians as well:

http://www.datalounge.com/datalounge/news/record.html?record=5091

DENVER, Co. -- The Denver Post reports this year's effort to expand Colorado's hate crimes law to included sexual orientation, disability and age died on Wednesday. Sen. Dorothy Rupert says the inclusion of gays and lesbians doomed the bill.

"Disability and age are being held hostage," the Boulder Democrat told the Senate Judiciary Committee Wednesday. "If we would take out sexual orientation, this bill would have been out of here six years ago."


Bigotry is bigotry is bigotry.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:28 AM
Response to Reply #36
52. demdave, I'm still not understanding why you emphasize this.
The article said nothing either way about race. You've gone to the trouble of checking the ethnic makeup of the school (I'm taking your word for the figures). Now you're remarking about someone's leaving race out of a comment. Why are you focusing on this?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #52
59. Race
I'm probably not doing myself a favor by getting involved in a topic like this with such a low post count, but I can believe it that race could've been a factor. I used to go to a mostly-black school (I'm white), and I got picked on quite a bit just for being white. Of course, there's not a racial epithet for white people nearly as hurtful as the N-word, but it still takes a toll, and it was still very commonplace at my school.

In this case, I think the disability was probably 99% of the issue, but you can't discount the fact that race could've played into it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #25
43. Yup.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tiberius Donating Member (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 02:57 PM
Response to Original message
26. Absolutely unbelievable
Welcome to our malfunctioning bully culture. I was bullied and attacked repeatedly in high school; the school administration never did anything, at all. Not surprisingly, the bullies were all members of the football team and it was just accepted as normal behavior.

Well, one day they surrounded me outside the cafeteria and one of them decked me, knocking me over and almost unconscious. You can imagine the surprise of the principal when I went in to the administration office with blood gushing out of my face, all over the front desk of the school.

I pressed criminal charges, and in the lower courts he got a fair punishment (100 hours community service and a fine). But, when it went up a level on appeal, his fine was reduced to $100 and the case was dismissed.

So, it just keeps going on and on... but this, this is just beyond comprehension.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #26
33. I went to middle school in the early 70's....
.....if I had done anything anywhere near close to what that kid did to that girl....my parents would have beaten me to within an inch of my life. There was no crying "Child abuse!" back then. My teachers and principal would have taken a few swats at me first with a paddle, called the police and I would have been expelled.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #26
62. Not surprising
A football player in my high school actually hit my brother with his jacked-up pickup truck. He got a reckless driving ticket, something like an $80 fine, and his father bought him a new truck. For practically running my brother over!!! It's not surprising that so many people do this, when they get nothing more than a slap on the wrist if anything.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:06 PM
Response to Original message
28. If I was a parent of this little girl,
I would not let up on the school or this bully for one minute. I would be in their face so much they would do anything to get rid of me. This is definitely an issue for the authorities who should have been involved from the beginning of this heinous assault on an innocent and helpless child.

I have three grown children and my middle child is severely developmentally disabled. Much of her life has been spent in special care facilities and as her legal guardian I make sure she gets the kind of medical care and enrichment she needs. I would not tolerate any kind of abuse or neglect of my handicapped daughter and I have intervened many times when the situation called for it. She gets excellent care where she is now but it didn't happen overnight. It took years to find the perfect place for her and I am currently very pleased with the quality of care she gets.

The incompetence of the principal and teachers at this school is appalling and if it were my child heads would roll. There is no excuse for this kind of negligence and the child's parents or guardians need to stand up for her and insist that this kind of behavior not be tolerated and that the guilty parties be removed from the school.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:16 PM
Response to Original message
30. Her attacker had a knife. Why in hell weren't police called?
The school staff confirmed he was in possession of a knife, yet he's still in school, and hasn't been punished for anything.

This is sickening to me... absolutely sickening. Are there no adults left in the world? Is Bush teaching Americans that taking "personal responsibility" is no longer necessary, or even encouraged?

Look at this excerpt from the article:

The interim principal at Martin Luther King Middle School declined an on-camera interview, but said her staff made serious mistakes in this case and that she will offer Glowczewski and her family a summer school program and transportation.

Meanwhile, both Mark Stevens, the spokesman for Denver Public Schools, and the superintendent declined to discuss the case or DPS policy for dealing with such issues. That seems to be the same response Glowczewski's parents got when they complained to the administration.


This is the saddest story I've read in a long time. :-( It's days like these when I feel fortunate to be childless. :-(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:21 PM
Response to Original message
32. Apparently, the attacker-student has finally been "disciplined."
Lots of "answers" in this article:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/3352550/detail.html

Excerpts:

Wednesday night, DPS (Denver Public Schools) spokesman Mark Stevens said the alleged attacker was disciplined, and the district has apologized for the incident -- admitting that administrators at the school didn't handle the incident properly.

<snip>

Stevens did not say what discipline was handed out to the student who is also accused of threatening the girl with a plastic knife prior to setting her hair on fire.

Stevens also said the interim principal who sent Glowczewski home and failed to discipline the alleged attacker will be replaced. He also said the Glowczewski family will be offered counseling.

<snip>

"The fact that an incident report was not filed in this case is serious," said 7NEWS investigative reporter John Ferrugia, the reporter who broke the story. "Those reports are part of the annual school accountability required by law and they directly affect a school's rating and, in part, its funding."

According to statistics, Martin Luther King Jr. Middle School had the most fights of any school in the state. Sherrie Glowczewski attributes that in part to the bullying climate that pervades the school, a point disputed by Stevens.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liarliartieonfire Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #32
37. That kid couldn't have borded a plane at DIAirport with that plastic knife
but its ok, son if you use it to threaten another child at a public school.

So Effed Up!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 04:10 PM
Response to Original message
39. There is one answer...
Edited on Thu May-27-04 04:11 PM by deseo
.... lawyers. Sue the school, sue the principal, sue the parents of the bully.

I guarantee you, this shit would stop. These suits would be EASY to win and devastating to the perps unless they can wriggle into easy sentences.

I put up with bullying when I was in grade school. In 8th grade, one of my tormentors went too far and I backhanded him hard (we were sitting in the auditorium). A teacher saw us and sent us both to the office. We were going to get "licks", swats with a board paddle.

This guy who had been tormenting me for years turned into the biggest quivering pussy I've ever seen. He wanted me to agree to make up a BS story so we wouldn't get licks. I laughed in his face and never took any crap off a bully again.

I realize for this disabled person, that is not really an option. But standing up to them worked for me - it may be a cliche but it is also true, bullies are generally cowards, that is why they are bullies.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:57 PM
Response to Reply #39
48. easy for some, not so much for others
i don't know the financial/social/occupational situation of the girl's parents, but getting a lawyer to press your case isn't always so simple. many people can't afford one. even more people can't afford a *good* one, and that makes a difference. some people can't take the time off to see one. they'd lose their job. that's how it works in "the real world" of the underclasses.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:58 AM
Response to Reply #48
54. I agree with you...
Edited on Fri May-28-04 07:02 AM by deseo
... and I hope that they are trying to fight back. There are attorneys out there who will do this kind of thing pro bono for either the satisfaction of "giving back" or the potential publicity.

But yes, it is true - many of our "institutions" rely and depend on the fact that the poor rarely have good legal representation, and that sucks.

Believe it or not, you often do not have to actually sue to be the fear of god in these people. I have a special needs son and we've gotten crap from the school a couple times. My wife is intimately familiar with the law and has, more than once, gently reminded them of what their obligations under the law are, and what she's prepared to do should the abdicate their responsiblity. It has worked every single time (fortunately, you usually only have to play that card once or twice with a given school, nobody likes to threaten :))
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 05:20 PM
Response to Original message
45. One of my fondest memories from

my years as a high school teacher is of the time I enlisted the head football coach's help in clearing up a problem with three football players who thought it would be fun to "tease" a classmate with cerebral palsy by saying he was in love with a girl who was fat and had Down syndrome.

It was the first, and only, time I saw that sort of behavior in that school and I wanted to nip it in the bud. Coaches are often helpful in dealing with athletes and this one shared my disgust at this type of behavior. We cornered the bullies just before lunch the next day and spoke to them privately. You have never seen three tough high school heroes more remorseful, abashed, embarrassed, and cowed. And that was appropriate because taunting disabled peers is a despicable behavior.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-27-04 06:28 PM
Response to Original message
46. When this sort of thing happens, why don't parents
report it to the police? I mean setting someone's hair on fire is an assault and threatening someone with a weapon is also a crime. If the school won't do anything about it, perhaps its time to file a crime report.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 01:21 AM
Response to Original message
49. I'm not usually one for corporal punishment,
but in cases like this- burning a girl with cerebral palsy- I'm sorry, but those kids just need to get BEATEN. Badly.

Beat those motherfuckers into a pulp. And the administrators. That's justice here.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:05 AM
Response to Original message
50. Tuscon Police Sgt Handcuffs and Tasers 9 Yr Old Girl
http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/metro/23436.php

I woulda started a new thread for this but don't have the privelage, as of yet. This cop, like most cops, was probably at one time a troop in the US armed forces. Figures.

'By C.J. Karamargin
ARIZONA DAILY STAR

A veteran South Tucson police sergeant is under investigation for firing his stun gun to subdue a handcuffed 9-year-old girl'.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JSJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:25 AM
Response to Reply #50
51. kick (nt)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:48 PM
Response to Reply #50
60. Someone else found it
one of the great things about DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1683679

Top Ten Conservative Idiot, anyone?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:41 AM
Response to Original message
53. What we don't know...
...is if the student in question is Special Ed. In fact, by law we can't know, because if I am not mistaken, the disability is considered medical data and is covered by HIPAA.

If the student who threatened is Special Ed, and that student has met or exceeded their 20 days of suspension maximum allowed per school year, then there is nothing the school can do to them. It is then up to the parents to remove them. If the parents choose not to, so be it.

JM
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:55 AM
Response to Reply #53
56. I think...
...that the parents have been forthcoming with that information to show the barbarity of the crime.

Schools can expell special students if they pose a serious threat to themselves or others.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 08th 2024, 09:30 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC