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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:11 PM
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Bush Pledges Sovereignty Transfer in Iraq ("I mean full sovereignty")
Edited on Fri May-28-04 12:12 PM by Barrett808
Bush Pledges Sovereignty Transfer in Iraq
By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent

WASHINGTON - President Bush pledged Friday that the U.S.-led coalition will transfer "complete and full sovereignty" to a caretaker government in Iraq, responding to doubts that Washington will yield total control to the new leaders.

Bush expressed his commitment in a telephone call to Russian President Vladimir Putin and then in a Rose Garden appearance with Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, a steadfast U.S. ally in military operations in Iraq. Bush said Rasmussen pressed him about the U.S. promise.

One of the unanswered questions is the extent of Iraqi control over the roughly 135,000 U.S. troops who will remain in Iraq after the transfer of political power on June 30. The White House says the soldiers will remain under the command of an American general and will have primary responsibility for Iraq's security.

Bush said he told Rasmussen that "our government and our coalition will transfer full sovereignty — complete and full sovereignty" to an Iraqi government that will be picked by U.N. envoy Lakhdar Brahimi, who has led the process for drawing up the new government.

Referring to Rasmussen, Bush said, "He said, "Do you mean full sovereignty?'"

"I said I mean full sovereignty," Bush replied.

(more)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040528/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_iraq&cid=544&ncid=1480
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KissMyAsscroft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:16 PM
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1. Full soverignty to his hand picked goons?


Yep...he means it folks!
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:16 PM
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2. granting "full sovereignty" to a PUPPET GOVERNMENT
:crazy:

I've heard it all, now

Hey Bush, will this "sovereign" government be allowed to cancel the privatization contracts, and RESTORE IRAQ'S CONSTITUTION???

They probably won't even be able to restore the country's flag :grr:
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:17 PM
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3. Huh?
Referring to Rasmussen, Bush said, "He said, "Do you mean full sovereignty?'"


One of the most confusing sentences ever.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:19 PM
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4. I believe the Vichy government in France had full sovereignty as well but
that didn't make the Jews there any safer.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:29 PM
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5. His only resource is the lie. He knows not how to do anything else
Edited on Fri May-28-04 12:31 PM by Marianne
Chris Floyd had a few things to say about Bush bestowing "sovereignty" upon Iraq in his recent column in the Moscow Times. I think Putin certainly reads the Moscow Times. It is little wonder that people in foreign countries are more up on details than we.

Throughout the spring, as hundreds died in the spiraling conflict, as Regime bosses applied their hardcore "anti-terrorist" tortures to innocent bystanders raked up in their occupation nets, as Regime mouthpieces prated endlessly of "liberation" and "sovereignty," Bush viceroy Paul Bremer was quietly signing a series of edicts that will give the United States effective control over the military, ministries -- and money -- of any Iraqi government, for years to come, The Wall Street Journal reports.

Bremer has placed U.S.-appointed "commissions" made up of Americans and local puppets throughout Iraqi government agencies; the ministers supposedly in charge weren't even told of the edicts. These boards "will serve multiyear terms and have significant authority to run criminal investigations, award contracts, direct troops and subpoena citizens," the Journal reports. Any new Iraqi government "will have little control over its armed forces, lack the ability to make or change laws and be unable to make major decisions within specific ministries without tacit U.S. approval, say U.S. officials."


Earlier Bremer edicts laid the Iraqi economy wide open to ruthless exploitation by Bush-approved foreign "investors"; dominance of such key sectors as banking, communications -- and energy -- is already well advanced. The latest dictates aim to ensure that this organized looting goes on, no matter what kind of makeshift "interim government" the United Nations manage to piece together. Bush's plans to build a Saddamite fortress embassy in Baghdad and 14 permanent military bases around the country are designed to provide the knee-breaking "security" for these lucrative arrangements



http://context.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/05/21/120.html
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:35 PM
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7. If Iraq won't really be a democracy or even a sovereign state...

maybe we can give them the "look and feel" of self-government by crafting a nice "front-end"
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:31 PM
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6. hehe...* is getting snippy
Edited on Fri May-28-04 12:34 PM by maddezmom
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:50 PM
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8. He also lies everytime he says he "was elected". Full soberness
is what the usurper boy needs. Along with impeachment.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:53 PM
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9. Putin should be very understanding
After the free elections in Chechnya.
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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:15 PM
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21. Chechnya is part of Russia
Iraq is not now and never was one of our states.

If you support Chechen secession, I would hope you would also admit what an awful mistake Lincoln made in laying waste to the Confederacy and forcing it back into the Union.

As a matter of fact, there would be no "superpower" waging "preemptive war" on the world had the states on the North American continent been able to break up into smaller constituent parts.
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:17 PM
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22. Chechnya never decided to join the Russian Empire
Tsarist Russia was not a colonial power that annexed territories overseas, but instead enlarged its territory. Among the people living in the Causcasus region, Chechens put up the most resistance and were the last annexed - in 1859. If a majority of Chechens decides to secede - like many other nations that once belonged to the Soviet Union - they should have the right to do so.

But since Chechnya is of high strategic importance to Russia (pipelines, again), Putin won't let the Chechens secede.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:25 PM
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28. Wright.
Wright?
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floda Donating Member (296 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:59 PM
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10. The Iraqi ministeries are run
by commissions appointed by Bremer. Have a five year term and the iraqi government can not remove them. Puppet government.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 01:22 PM
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11. He promissed this week Brahimi would name a government - where
is it? he wanted to tear Abu Ghraib down - Iraqis don't want this. he said he's build a new one - ,Congress won't approve money. Everything he said in his stupid speech was lie, fantasy or just mistaken.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 01:28 PM
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12. He keeps using that word
"Sovereignty"

I do not think it means what he thinks it means...
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 01:33 PM
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15. Yes he DOES know what SOVEREIGNTY means!!!
Edited on Fri May-28-04 01:33 PM by Caliphoto
He KNOWS that if he's counting by tens, that SOVEREIGNTY comes right before EIGHTERNTY!!!! SO stop saying that! hee, hee :hi:
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 01:50 PM
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16. Punch that word up at this Link
It's free (I guess the purchased version works better though)

That word "Sovereignty" makes for eye opener's

"http://www.visualthesaurus.com/online/index.html
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 02:01 PM
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17. Hehe, Bush = Vizzini
And I don't like his chances in any battle of wits with the Dread Pirate Roberts. :)

Sid
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 01:29 PM
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13. Bush pledges a lot of things
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 01:31 PM
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14. He'll do ANYTHING for that 4th of July PHOTO OP!!!
He is SOOOO transparent. What he should be saying is.. 'we transfer power to them on June 30th, so I can have my 4th of July freedom photo op, AND the media will stop paying attention to Iraq, AND, I can have my AUgust in Crawford, AND the troops are staying there, so nothing has really changed, AND we handpicked the new government and wrote their constitution, soo...' Basically, he's a failure, and a liar. Nothing's changed but the photo op. Hopefully, our media, who appears to be awakening from a threat-induced slumber, will NOT let Iraq slide to the back pages, and will NOT only run stories provided by the GOP led media in Iraq to dominate the summer news.

Already, our troop deaths are barely even mentioned anymore. The major web news pages don't even give them the decency of a headline.. it's usually buried in a story somewhere.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 02:20 PM
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18. Does that mean there will absolutely not be need for 14 US military bases
nor for any American troops to remain in Iraq? But how would we otherwise be assured the Iraqis will get their hard-won freedom?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 02:37 PM
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19. nudge nudge, wink wink, say no MORE!!!
Edited on Fri May-28-04 02:38 PM by Mayberry Machiavelli
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Praetorian Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 08:57 PM
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30. Does your wife......."go!"
"who Pickles? Sure, she travels!"

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rexcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 02:59 PM
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20. And if you believe Bush* you are probably in need of...
medication or a medication adjustment. That would be full sovereignty over the indigenous population but the US troops would be exempt since the US troops are not part of the indigenous population. He is not saying any lies but on the other hand he is not telling the whole truth.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 05:26 PM
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23. .....and I sez junior is full of shit
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:12 PM
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24. Bush's record shows
that whatever he says, the opposite is done.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:18 PM
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26. With 14 military installations under construction in Iraq we're going pull
out?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:16 PM
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25. Con Job Iraq!
I predict that most Amerikans will believe the lie.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 07:30 PM
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29. I hope you are wrong. I think people are tired of eating shit.
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justjones Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 06:23 PM
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27. Yeah, and Bush has our "full" support. We "totally" believe him.
Edited on Fri May-28-04 06:23 PM by justjones
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Sovereignty is limited. Osama is Saddam. Iraq is Al Queda. Chalabi is our ally. Chalabi is our enemy. Bush is brilliant. Tax-cuts trickle down. You can fall from a bike in the rain when it's sunny.
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