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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:07 PM
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Treading a tortuous path around the 't' word
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040530/ts_alt_afp/us_iraq_prison_torture&cid=1506&ncid=1473

NEW YORK (AFP) - US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld refuses to address it, the US media tends to circle around it, while former vice president Al Gore (news - web sites) says the only option is to use it.


The "torture" word -- its definition, history and applicability -- has loomed uncomfortably large over the public discourse surrounding the treatment of Iraqi prisoners in Baghdad's Abu Ghraib prison.


Major European newspapers, including those in close US ally Britain, have seen fit to use "torture" in headlines to their reports on the Abu Ghraib scandal.


The mainstream US media has tended to stick with terms like "abuse" and "mistreatment" in its reporting, though "torture" has appeared in some editorials and commentaries.

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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:22 PM
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1. Another "T" word they dance around.
Treason.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:28 PM
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4. yep. less visceral but just as true.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:23 PM
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2. The awesome power of one word. This is the watershed.
Edited on Sun May-30-04 06:24 PM by pinto
"Torture" in it's simple brutality may change not only how we, as a nation, see (and hear) Iraq and ourselves, but how we are seen and heard in the world for a generation.

In the fabric of our nation I can think of only a few other words as damaging...

A sad coda to Memorial Day.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:25 PM
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3. good for Gore
I get so tired of people calling a shovel a spoon.

Abuse is too kind a word for what has happened.

Torture is appropriate and describes these events.

I refuse to be a "good American" and close me eyes and am weary by the namby-pambies that want to "pretty" up the picture.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 06:30 PM
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5. They didn't mention the "r" word here for some reason?
I guess when someone sticks a light stick up someones anus that will be called "abuse" from now on too?

Don

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cambie Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:28 PM
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6. United States Code

Title 18, Part 1, Chapter 113C, Section 2340

Sec. 2340. - Definitions
As used in this chapter -
(1)
''torture'' means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
(2)
''severe mental pain or suffering'' means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from -
(A)
the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
(B)
the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;
(C)
the threat of imminent death; or
(D)
the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality; and

-end-

This seem clear enough. They must have used this as a guide on how to do it.


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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 10:56 PM
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7. 1994 law makes torture a crime....
part of that article stated....

"A 1994 law makes torture committed by Americans outside the United States a crime. The law defines torture as the infliction of severe physical or mental pain or suffering. "

very interesting and right there it says....this was torture....we have a LAW......they must have forgotten this.....they worried so much about the Geneva Conventions.......WE HAVE A LAW......they can be tried for this.....

Lets get them for their crimes......please.....someone.....why is this not still in the news.....we have the laci peterson trial in the news for years....we have the snipers trials in the news for years....we have oj simpson in the news for years....

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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:09 AM
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8. how about the M word
M for Murder, as in 30+ murders or Iraqi detainees being presently investigated.

Hello?
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:15 AM
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9. listen to gore's POWERFUL speech here ---------------- mp3
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