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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:28 AM
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And for His Next Feat, a Billionaire Sets Sights on Bush (Soros)
Edited on Mon May-31-04 08:34 AM by KleverKittie
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/31/politics/campaign/31soros.html

And for His Next Feat, a Billionaire Sets Sights on Bush
By LESLIE WAYNE
Published: May 31, 2004

...

Now Mr. Soros has turned his considerable energy and fortune to ousting an American president.

"I have come to the conclusion," said Mr. Soros, in a recent interview from his Manhattan office with its expansive view of Central Park, "that the greatest contribution I can make to the values that I hold would be to contribute to the defeat of George W. Bush in 2004."

From playing no prior role in partisan politics, Mr. Soros has given $15.8 million to anti-Bush groups and has said he will give more if necessary. He has expressed his views in speeches, full-page advertisements, op-ed articles and a new book, "The Bubble of American Supremacy."

All that, of course, has made him a target for Republicans and campaign finance reformers who consider him as a shadowy figure trying to have an outsize influence. "George Soros has purchased the Democratic Party," said Christine Iverson, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee.

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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:32 AM
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1. Soros Has Purchased The Democratic Party
As opposed to the heavily monied special interests that only "rent" the Republican Party?
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:22 PM
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24. Progressives need to watch Soros carefully
He was a big factor in the Serbian war, so he could gain control of the Pristina mines (which he did).

Soros does NOT have the best interests of progressives at heart. So he doesn't like Bush - good for him. But I don't want him to buy the Democratic party.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:51 PM
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30. Relatively speaking, Soros is DEFINITELY a "white hat" guy.
I have followed his "open society" HUMANITARIAN investments,...and they are more spectacular than anything I've seen from any other human being. He doesn't pretend to be "pure" or to have the trademark/patent/copyright on "truth". But, he has invested more into human potential than anyone, ever!!!

I only WISH I would have been wise enough and smart enough to have garnered the power he has to shaped humanity in a positive way. Where I am essentially powerless, he is powerful to invest in the best of human evolution. Geez, I would be honored to work with his vision of an "open society". I've applied!!!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 07:35 PM
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35. Agree. Soros has a record of doing some good stuff.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:54 PM
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40. Soros is being targeted by the GOP, and some DUers are happy to help
Be careful because in the coming weeks you can expect to see lots of disinfo on Soros, even from unlikely sources.
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President Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:04 PM
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39. Specifically, this is how and to whom Soros has donated since 1979
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=NY&last=Soros&first=George

Interestingly, he gave $1000 to poppy Bush for his presidential bid in 1979.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:32 AM
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2. I'm totally against wealth having this kind of influence on politics.
Since it's legal, go to it Soros. But this has got to stop. Whether it's Soros, Scaife, Murdoch or the other few thousand that can have a larger impact on the body politic than Joe Blow.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:43 AM
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8. Lobbyists are much worse
and carry much more influence. At least it is his values and money, and he isn't asking for anything in return. Unlike the big corporate donors who expect policies favorable to them. He is just a sane man in a position to fight the insanity besieging our country right now. I like him.
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Gildor Inglorion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:13 AM
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14. So do I, and well said!
And welcome to DU, by the way.
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:28 AM
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15. One Difference Between Soros and Scaife

Soros is very open about his efforts. You know where he is coming from, you know he is paying it, and he speaks to you directly.


Scaife acted behind the scenes, dredging up half-truths, and paying people to write articles that were not true.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 07:37 PM
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36. Soros tries to give money to democratic institutions ...

that is, institutions with transparency and accountability, run by local folk.
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:33 AM
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3.  "George Soros has purchased the Democratic Party,"
But, let's not talk about Scaifes and the Mellons etc...
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Pat Cee Donating Member (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:35 AM
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4. Oh my gosh!
Be still my heart! Blessing on Grorge Soros.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:43 AM
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17. Welcome to DU
:hi:
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Senior citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:37 AM
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5. Why post the freeper spin here?
Edited on Mon May-31-04 08:40 AM by Senior citizen
Without even giving it a title that might make somebody think you opposed the chimp yourself? How Klever is that?

Scaife et al purchased the puke party, so that's how politics is done these days.

I'd like to see a post about this topic by someone who felt the same way I do.

On edit: By the time I posted this, several DUers already had.


GO SOROS GO!!!! :yourock: :kick:
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:53 AM
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18. Senior citizen
You cannot know the views or intentions of a person by the posting of a single story.

According to DU rules, the title of a post in LBN must be the title of the article.

This article was posted for the irony and hypocrisy exposed within it.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:37 AM
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6. The battleground seems to now be where it is likely to have always been
Edited on Mon May-31-04 08:40 AM by Dover
though the class heirarchy has historically been less apparent to those on the lower steps of the ladder, than it is now. It is a territorial battle of the elite.

No poor man, or any outside this exclusive club, need apply.
The cost of admission prevents any hope of real Democracy.
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GoldenOldie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:44 AM
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9. "shadowy figure"
"All....for Republicans and campaign finace reformers who consider him a shadowy figure...." What do the Pukes call "shadowy?" Soro's has been extremely open about his financial support to rid the world of George W. Bush's dangerous leadership.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:42 AM
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7. When Soros Gives He's Called Outrageous
When Bush supporters give tons-o-cash, they're called Rangers and Pioneers.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:48 AM
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10. Where was the NYT when Scaife was obsessed with Clinton??
I don't recall the NYT ever journalizing the hundreds of millions that Scaife was spending to create dirt on Clinton.
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:51 AM
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11. Chalabi has purchased the whole United States of America....
all the bush criminals, heartless cheney, printed media, TV media, radio, radical christians and our military. Chalabi got himself a big nice war that has killed over 800 young Americans, killed thousands of innocent Iraqi people, and a war that has turned the whole world against the United States. How dare those idiot republicans take the word of one corrupt man to destroy our dignity.

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:57 AM
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12. soros is doing the right thing
the country is in danger -- and he is rising to the occaision.

but it's also important to note soros is not a corporatist -- he does not share the same agenda that the corporate elite that control this country currently carry out.
those people are embedded in both political parties.
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 12:27 PM
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25. Soros IS the corporate elite
and his "open society" is little more than dressed up plutocracy and more rehashed "third way" crap. I cannot understand why people idolize this guy simply because he's rich and doesn't like Bush. Soros is a freaking criminal, wanted in many countries, for God's sake. He's the European version of Ken Lay. No thanks.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:59 PM
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31. You are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to disagree.
Have you ever watched the man speak?

I admire the man for what he is,...for how he sees the human potential,...for the investment he has personally divulged into his vision which is fabulously better than the corporatism crap being shoved down the throats, involuntarily, by this greedy, power-hungry, spiteful administration.

I embrace him and his efforts.

By the way, you stated that: "Soros is a freaking criminal, wanted in many countries". Please provide sources for that allegation.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 07:40 PM
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37. Read some of his books. eom
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:04 AM
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13. Big Fucking Deal........The Suadis purchased the Bush Family
The made the FBI back off all investigations involveing Suadi Nationals prior to 911

the Bin Laudins were allowed to fly out of the country with out being questioned during the "No Fly" days just after 911

It has become taboo to even discuss the Saudis and their links to international terrorism mostly because the Bush administration sought to protect them

I rather have Soros making publicly disclosed donations then shady under the table dealings with the Bush family any day
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 07:45 PM
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38. The Riyadhian Candidate.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:42 AM
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16. Shadowy
Edited on Mon May-31-04 09:42 AM by wryter2000
He has expressed his views in speeches, full-page advertisements, op-ed articles and a new book, "The Bubble of American Supremacy."

Sure. He's kept his involvement secret, except to anyone who's listening.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 11:47 AM
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23. quite a seductive adjective.
If I were going to label someone this way, I'd say Cheney best fits the bill, a man who is known as "backseat", and who has done every secretive maneuver right in the public eye while the stupid press are all 'see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil'. As soon as these clowns get out of office the press will grow some and pretend they have always been scandalized by the Bush admin., that is while they are not busy haraguing and harassing the hell out of President Kerry. I wouldn't blame him if he went out and offered Ari Fleischer big bucks to come back and pimp-slap the press around at all the briefings. I hope Kerry is as elitist as Bush and doesn't give the press access unless they kiss his ass. And I hope the White House totally cuts off the cable clones, and makes them scrap and scramble for stories.

Everyone is referring to Scaife in the past tense. Does anyone know what he is up to now?

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Doosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:58 AM
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19. this from the party of Scaife, Murdoch, and Big Oil
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 10:21 AM
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20. I think saying
he has purchased the democratic party is a bit melodramatic, as usual for the republicans. I think he saw the amount of money bush has raised and continues to raise and just decided to level the playing field. It would be better if money were not an issue, but since it is, that is our reality.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 04:56 PM
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34. Well, as usual, the REPUKES have to demonize opposition.
They demonize anyone who threatens their "POWER".

They demonize anyone who seeks to empower people (since that threatens their power OVER people).

They demonize anyone who is a "problem-solver", since the "answers" don't profit their agendas.

They demonize anyone who asserts "right" over "might", since they have sold their souls to "control" over "understanding".

They demonize "hope" over "cynicism", since life is difficult for those who have no choosing in obstacles or challenges.

They demonize brokers of "equality", since they are MORE EQUAL than all others.

They demonize democracy and freedom and happiness because they somehow believe that, they are more entitled to such principles than all those "BELOW" them.

They are sick.

What can I say?
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 11:25 AM
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21. There is only one thing worse than wealth in politics....
and that is if the wealth is all in one party.
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blueknight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 11:35 AM
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22. total bullshit...
if he offered to give money to shrub and company, they wouldn't be able to get their hands out of their pockets fast enough
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crossroads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 01:50 PM
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26. Soros has vision
...he sees what Bushco is doing to this country!
:kick:
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 02:44 PM
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27. Where is the NY Times article on the billionaires owning the Republicans?
Fox news is a branch of the Republican party - where is the artice on that?
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:15 PM
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28. Glad he's on our side
Here's a guy who's putting his money where his mouth is. Haven't you ever thought to yourself, "If only I were rich, think of all the good I could do?" Well, he's doing it. Don't knock it.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:40 PM
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29. Okay, fine, maybe he's not perfect. But let's not look a gift horse in the
mouth, okay?

EYES ON THE PRIZE, GUYS.

If we can use some of Soros's money to vanquish the greater evil, I say let's go for it. Besides, it seems as though most of us here are going into it with open eyes. We already know what to look for, and we already know who we're dealing with.

Besides, I'd rather have a Soros or somebody on our side, willing to spend big bucks. Who ELSE do we have? Compared to the Murdocks and the Richard Mellon Scaifes and the rest of 'em who have HUGE fortunes to pour into the republi-CON party coffers, WHO ELSE DO WE HAVE? I mean, have Spieberg or Katzenberg or Geffen or Bill Gates or any other hugely wealthy people come flocking to our side with open pocketbooks and check-writing hands ready and waiting? Anyone?
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Soopercali Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 04:33 PM
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32. I think he is a great role model.
He has written at length that capitalism is not inherently virtuous - that without controls, it crushes the poor and powerless.

What's not to like?
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 04:37 PM
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33. Plutocrats R' Us
A :puke: and a :boring:
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