Bush* Campaign Sees California, New York as Ripe for Taking

From Moonie Times

The Bush-Cheney campaign plans to make a strong play to take California and New York in 2004, despite the states' recent history of supporting Democratic presidential candidates.

Both states are ripe for the taking, according to election strategists, even though California has preferred Democrats since President Bush's father won there in 1988 and New York has leaned liberal since Ronald Reagan took the state in 1984.

And with a war chest expected to top $200 million, President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney are expected to hammer the Democratic ticket on their home base, which could require Democrats to expend more time, effort and money just to hang on to states crucial to their effort to retake the White House.

"President Bush's compassionate agenda resonates with the people of both New York and California," said Tracey Schmitt, spokeswoman for the Bush-Cheney '04 campaign. "We expect to be competitive in both those states."

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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030811-123908-4908r.htm

Neither will New York.

Now, if we can only agree on computer fraud...

BTW, did you sign the letter to Carter?

They can't get those tin can fraud machines in our states fast enough!

campaigning in states that Bush might be more vulnerable this time around - an attempt to get Democrats to spend their resources protecting their strongholds. Hopefully, the Democrats will go to Texas, PA, West VA, MN, MO, OR, WA, and MI and not worry too much about the other states. (It all hinges on a legal election, of course)

Rove had Bush campaign in California in 2000 right up until the end in order to give the illusion that the election was going to be a Bush blowout; the goal was to create an aura of inevitability about his victory and thereby depress turnout among Dems. Didn't work, as we all know.

WA is dean country. We are a dem strong hold Look at our reps.McDermott, Inslee, Adams... we have three crazy pubies. Then our Senators Murray and Cantwell

Nader got the 2nd highest % in here.

The last time was 1988.

George H.W. Bush - 79.2%
Michael Dukakis - 20.6%

the convention in NY

how easy is it to connect the dots?

I don't think the location of the Convention is going to matter. Remember, the RNC Convention was in Philadelphia in 2000 -- but that didn't persuade a majority of Pennsylvanians to vote for Bush did it? As for Arnold, I think that CA voters understand that he's much more of a moderate Republican than Bush.

n/t

It's my gut feeling that the California recall was set up as a test-run for tweaking new "patches" for voting machines in preparation for next year's 'election'.

but I think that it could possibly be effective... which is why I posted in another thread that we should start doing the same: "With Bush's record, we think even Texas will be in play in this election," "We're planning to spend a lot of time campaigning in Georgia" etc...

Rove needs some serious medication.

Oh, that's right, NY and CA have a disproportionate number of wealthy residents that benefited from Bush's compassionate tax cuts.

Enron/Bunker Dick manipulation of California's energy creates a recall pre-text, install Arnold and try to steal California.

Stage the convention next to the WTC disaster area, try to get NY, using a tragedy as a stage prop.

Florida......just cheat agin.

Texas, a done deal.

Thus Rove has it all wrapped up. That being said, its going to take alot of "electronic voting", a paper-less trail to make this thing work. The only state i think could go repub if everything is "honest and clean" is Texas.

Not in my state, you won't! Not as long as I have a breath in my body!

"compassionate agenda"...my ass!

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Talking out of the side of her neck. Just more empty propaganda crap from the Bush machine.

What, he's just screwed our economy, seniors, the poor, the middle class, the uninsured, education, the environment, the Constitution, the justice system...

Well hell, at least he did't drop the napalm on us...

excuse me while I barf...

towards the troops:

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html

We are creating a commercial for national exposure and need donations, please help.

I think that if most of the armed services were aware of what was going on at home, there'd be a major mutiny.

he's real fuckin' popular. Even my mother who was his staunchest supporter is beginning to see the light.

what kind of friggin' alternate universe are we in, anyway?

Excuse me, but what is so damn "compassionate" about labeling everyone who disagrees with you, "un-American"??

And their media puppets assure us it is so!
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let's hand them A WALLOPING DEFEAT! I've had all I can takes and I can't takes no more!!!

Terminator 2004 - The Rise of the Machinez!

that's pretty much the epitome of arrogance.

I say BRING 'EM ON!

The Bush administration's record has been dead wrong on just about everything so it's quite understandable that they're completely wrong on this as well.

Not only does Bush lose those states- he brings Republicans down with him. It's hard to believe that they're still blowing that compassionate conservative crap out of their asses. When has bush or any member of his administration demonstrated one ounce of compassion? Average Americans may be uninformed but not that studid. This "compasionate" conservative rhetoric is choice meterial. The stuff of Democratic speechwriters' wet dreams.

It'll resonate, alright- but not how they think. Not this time. If they know what'sgood for them they'll stick to fighting words and padder flightsuits.

Maybe more than anyone, we New Yorkers hate Bush.

as in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=60294

that the folks can smell shit before he opens his money maker.

betrayed their country. Although I guess it's a government by the rich and for the rich so they are doing swell...until these thieves finish plundering the economy and it dives forever.

Things like this is not lost on New Yorkers. Below is a piece of Irony that happened near me in upstate NY

CANANDAIGUA Funeral services today for a soldier killed in Iraq eight days ago filled the pews at St. Marys Roman Catholic Church on Main Street.

Sgt. Heath A. McMillin, 29, died south of Baghdad on July 27 when his military police patrol was hit by rocket and small-arms fire.

He was serving with the 105th Military Police Company, a state National Guard unit based in Buffalo and Rochester.

This is a moment when we are shaken,said the Rev. Daniel Condon, who presided over the 70-minute ceremony with six other priests.

Heath, I love you with all my heart,said a tearful Jennifer McMillin, 20, of Rochester, the deceased soldiers sister.

Gov. George Pataki spoke briefly in the cavernous, humid church. We will never forget him, he said of McMillin, a former Marine who joined the National Guard. We will always honor his memory.

Interment followed today at St. Roses Cemetery in Shortsville, Ontario County.

McMillin, the father of three, was the first Army National Guardsman from New York state killed in combat since the Korean War. <Snip>


AND ON THE SAME DAY!!!


WASHINGTON -- The Canandaigua Veterans Affairs Hospital would close under a cost-cutting plan released Monday that would also turn a downstate VA hospital into an outpatient-only facility.

The recommendations, part of a national restructuring of veterans' health services to cut costs, come from a 15-member committee. VA Secretary Anthony Principi is expected to decide on the recommendations by the end of the year.

Some New York lawmakers said they would try to persuade the VA to change course and retain the hospital in Canandaigua, 26 miles southeast of Rochester. It currently cares for about 200 inpatients, and thousands of veterans on an outpatient basis.

The 70-year-old hospital, which employs about 800 people, was listed in the federal agency's latest restructuring plan for complete closure. The proposal says veterans' health services will move to other facilities in the state.

Other VA hospitals in the region are located in Bath, Batavia, Buffalo and Syracuse <Snip>

Originally published Tuesday, August 5, 2003

Only with a LOT more money to hammer away while cash strapped Dems either go silent or bleed themselves dry on their home ground. Do they care if they really CAN win either state? No. Each state organization will have to do their utmost to fight the tidal wave of raw money and organization. Many will have to do it 100% locally. AND develop strategies money can't buy for the GOP. Probably street strategies, cheap strategies, volunteer strategies and speaking truth to power.

How to maintain the strength of PRESENCE without jetting back and forth desperately or leaning on surrogates? Feet to the street all the time. Letters to papers. The other side can buy illusions by the basket, spread lies like manure, trip up the hurrying Dems with banana peels, manipulate policy, fix votes.

They are hoping the "campaign" can kill the message and the messenger.
The only way they can win NY and California is for the national candidates to melt down AND good people do nothing(or nothing but bicker).

Of course if it is close enough to steal, it will be stolen.

if there is voter apathy as strong as it has been among dems -- this state can go repuke. our conservatives here are always motivated, and eager to exploit any opportunity. and dems are cash strapped, and sometimes the message goes missing here.
i've been here off and on my whole life and california is at times surprisingly conservative,
it's never good to rest on a laurel.

It's subtle but it works in almost every political arena.

Here's how it works: Tell the big lie (e.g. California is going Repub)...Act/perform like it is the absolute, literal truth...keep telling the lie...create the impression that anyone who doesn't believe the lie is (choose one)a:stupid, b:unpatriotic, c: not cool
d: all the above....repeat as necessary.

To some extent this worked in the 2000 elections and the media was a willing participant. For example "Bush won the debates". It gave him credibility he neither earned nor deserved.

The good news is that anybody can play this game. Another post above recommended that Texas could be put in play. It damned sure can. If Dems started publicly stating that Bush iss so unpopular that we can win his home state and follow the rules above...hell...we just might win it.

Just food for thought.........

... because I think Karl Rove knows that those states are longshots for the GOP. They are two states that largely see past the 'taxes... bad' dogma and know that Bush is full of it.

With CA and the Enron gouging, and NY and the firefighters, I think Bush making himself especially prominent there could backfire.

What I really think he wants to do is to make the Democrats expend as much of their resources as possible on ensuring the two states, their backbone.

NYC alone has the population of 11 red states

CALIFORNIA: LEANS DEM/possible SAFE DEM
NEW YORK: SAFE DEM/possible LEANS DEM

Goobergunch Political Report: Volume 3, Number 1

Dream on, Smirky...you're not going to win either of those states.

We don't like them.

For any of you -- esp. in these states -- who think it can't happen, PLEASE WAKE UP. It isn't about getting the Dems to spend their precious funds in these states, tho that's a nice by-product.

They're preparing "the back story" for anouther round of vote fraud in this article and others like it. They stole FL, they stole GA in 2002 (and other races elsewhere), and with Repug governors they sure as hell CAN steal CA and NY.

Here's why they want Arnold: he knows NOTHING but he's got name recognition and adulation as a star out to yang-yang. Hell, Rove probably promised him that he'd give him all the help he needs, so he'd be a star in office. Maybe lured him with that off-the-wall Constitutional Amendment by Mitch McConnell which would erase the Constitutional provision you have to be a born native of the US to run for President.

All they have to do is this:

1. Get Arnold in
2. Send Bush to CA a bunch of times
3. Do some glitzy photo-op stuff for Arnold like Bush does that makes people believe he's doing something -- and maybe Bush does some wonderful things that make Californians happy and it looks really good for Arnold too
4. Get polls showing increasing Bush support -- that alone will make some fools who aren't paying attention think about actually voting for "the winner"
5. Steal the election. If the voting machines are all or even mostly computerized, let me tell you this: it's a done deal. No contest.

WAKE UP. Get busy on the voting machines issue and DO NOT let up. You WILL lose CA if you don't fix the voting machine problem. Mark my words. I've never been surer of ANYthing.

Eloriel

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Eloriel - you said

If the voting machines are all or even mostly computerized, let me tell you this: it's a done deal. No contest.

Not necessarily. Though so many DUers and others are working so hard to keep black boxes OUT of our elections, it WILL be possible to POLL those precincts using electronic voting machines and to get those poll results to the press THAT NIGHT. Dean stated to me last Friday (during my 5 minutes with him - handed to me by fate) he was in favor of polling. Don't know if he's made any statement to this effect...

And we must of course continue our FIGHT against black boxes on a state-by-state and county-by-county level.

So when people ask "How could something like this happen? Cali going Repub?" the answer could be "Well, they elected a Repub for Gov."...It's nothing but a cover story...

It is SO different. MASSACHUSETTS has had a Republican in the corner office for the last twelve years. Yet over 2/3 of Massachusetts voters voted for either Gore or Nader in 2000. Only two states, Rhode Island and D.C., had a higher percentage. Even if the Republicans try to steal California and/or NY through voter fraud in '04, it won't work because the polls will show that the vote was so way off all of the polls. It won't be like Florida; it will be much more obvious.

And one more thing, I seriously think the Pugs will insist CA use one of those "felon-screening" agencies to screen out alleged criminals, like was done in FL, and we all know how accurate they were.

If there was only one thing for Californians to band together, is to resist and defeat the Bushista regime!

Chapter two the the William Rivers Pitt book: The greatest Sedition is Silence, puts it nicely. The chapter title is "20 lbs of bullshit in a 10 lbs bag" It is neither compassionate, nor conservative. He is a DU'er and it never hurts to support the local guy in business. That is my free plug for the book. He articulates it well I think. In any case he destroys the myth of compassionate and conservative in the Bush administration. Not even by the definition of the word compassionate or conservative is he one.

as for *, he's just another Cheap Labor Conservative.

They think with a Republican governor, they might be able to take California more easily. But I think things will backfire, even if Arnold becomes governor.

And they saw what happened to the phony boom, yet he still remains popular. I am believing that Rove and Co. must get the bad karma they deserve, though.

Don't delude your selves.

If Bush couldn't take NY it wouldn't be in repub control right now.

Hopefully Dems won't make the mistake of ignoring that threat.

and NYC HATES BUSH...also albany is a heavely Dem area

Yeah! That's the ticket!

The Bushies act like CA and NY might be within their reach for exactly one reason: Accepting the truth (rejection by CA and NY) makes Bush less attractive in other states. Bush/Rove want people in other states to think that Bush stands a chance with CA and NY. It's really kind of pathetic.

I saw this same shit a few months ago and, ooppps, we got our ass ripped off in the midterm elections. I think it is VERY do-able for them because we have absolutely no political instincts in the DNC. They just pick their butt and hope the sky doesn't fall on them. It has. If we lose this CA thing, we are toast. Hell, we were known as LOSERS in the midterms and if we can't hang on to CA the most liberal state in the union, we are going to be such LOSERS that most registered Dems won't bother voting........yep, that's how important it is. We need Clinton out there NOT to back Davis but speaking to the people of how the repukes are undermining the democratic process and showing them that they are the next "Florida 2000"....but will we have the political sense to do so??---NAW, not us. We will just fucking sit there and watch our bowels ripped out. If (ahh, when) we fuck up CA, I don't give a fuck if we run God in '04........we are dead and a national joke. This goddamn DNC better get it's head out of it's ass in CA AND Clinton's pet McAuliff better stop trying to get us fucked over in order to run Hillary in '08----she will lose in a landslide to Bro Jeb. Mark my word. Either fight now, McAuliff, or fuck off.

I skpped to the end of Sidney Blumenthal's book The Clinton Wars to read about the 2000 election and I came across this passage which I think illuminates why Rove is saying things like this:

"On the day before the election, Bush's chief political strategist, Karl Rove, told the press that he believed Bush would win the popular vote by six points and a landslide of 350 votes in the Electoral College. Rove's obvious motive in making this bold prediction was to foster the notion of Bush's inevitable victory." (p. 744)

(Blumenthal then goes on to describe how the Bush campaign expected that they might win the popular vote but not the Electoral vote, and how they would fight for the Presidency in such an eventuality, as a President who won with only the popular vote would not reflect the "people's will.")

Anyway, back to the inevitability strategy --we need to watch out for this, and by that I mean not let them discourage us, as I've seen that many posters on this thread are. We will win this election, but to do so we need to start spreading a message of optimisim to all Democrats and inndependents.

The news media always buys it.

Some Dems fall for it every time, but they have to realize its as you say, an old campaign trick. I remember Nixon using it, even, with all that chatter about the great silent majority...

n/t

You heard it here first.

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