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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 09:07 AM
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Gem Dealer Is Said to Aid Scheme on Terrorist Funds
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/14/nyregion/14PLOT.html?ex=1061524800&en=89676e4a9670a190&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

Yehuda Abraham is a slight, stooped 76-year-old gem dealer, with a house in Queens, an office in New York's diamond district and shops around the world.

One night last October, prosecutors say, a client entered Mr. Abraham's 12th-floor Midtown office and handed him $30,000 in hundred dollar bills, an odd, if believable transaction in the world of international gem dealers. Mr. Abraham, by the government's account, counted out every note, then gave the client his business card.

But this was not a jewelry sale, prosecutors allege. It was a secretive deal, with a code number and a cash commission, in which Mr. Abraham agreed to transfer the client's money to a bank account in Europe, out of the sight of federal regulators.

That transaction, if it occurred as federal prosecutors say, has landed Mr. Abraham, an immigrant who came to America nearly half a century ago, in the middle of an international dragnet that prosecutors said took into custody a dangerous arms dealer and his accomplices who were willing to bring missiles into the United States to shoot down passenger jetliners.

Prosecutors said in federal court yesterday that Mr. Abraham was the money man, a shadowy figure who facilitated the work of terrorists by giving them the means to finance their actions — the purchase of the missiles — through an informal money transfer system, known as hawala, which is common in the Middle East and a preferred method of finance for terrorists.

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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 09:38 AM
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1. How many stories are they going to squeeze out of that sting scam?
This is another slice of the same 'missile sting' story that was exposed as a setup yesterday.

Here's his part:

That transaction, if it occurred as federal prosecutors say, has landed Mr. Abraham, an immigrant who came to America nearly half a century ago, in the middle of an international dragnet that prosecutors said took into custody a dangerous arms dealer and his accomplices who were willing to bring missiles into the United States to shoot down passenger jetliners.



I'm sure we'll soon be hearing a story about the mysterious 'Afghans' who were also busted along with them -- unless they were the undercover FBI agents. I got the impression that the undercover agents posing as terrorists were different people than the Afghans mentioned yesterday, however.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 09:42 AM
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2. Actually this entire story dates back nearly a year to a story
Edited on Thu Aug-14-03 09:43 AM by nothingshocksmeanymo
the Center for Public Integrity ran on the illegal arms trade. You can read the entire series here

http://www.icij.org/dtaweb/icij_bow.asp
The Business of War

As I was watching Nightline cover this last night, Victor Bout's name was all over it. He is a Soviet arms trader. The Bushies probably decided to deal with it as they saw too much competition for THEIR illegal arms trades in Africa.

In other words at the bottom of all of this is a REAL arms story that the Bushies have been ignoring for a year while they bomb Iraq.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 09:43 AM
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3. I am not so sure it was a scam? n/t
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 09:55 AM
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5. The guys were *willing* to import missiles for resale.
That part is not a scam.

However, their only contact for obtaining SAMs was a Russian undercover cop. They had no other sources. (this has been covered both on ABC, CBS evening news, and Nightline). They most likely never actually traded in SAMs before (given their lack of sources). This FBI and Russian police admit this. They had no criminal records.

This part of the story:

...a dangerous arms dealer and his accomplices who were willing to bring missiles into the United States to shoot down passenger jetliners.


The way that it is written, it leads you to believe that these guys had plans of their own to shoot down passenger jets. That is not the case, and they are not being charged with that. It was undercover FBI officers who were posing as 'terrorists' who told them they had plans to shoot down passenger jetliners.

This ruse was further enhanced for about 36 hours of the news cycle when it was added that the Russian undercover cop suggested to Lakhani the arms dealer that a particular missile would be suitable for shooting down Air Force One. This part of the story (the 'assassination plot') faded away fairly quickly since yesterday.

There were no terrorists involved here, no intelligence gathered on al Queda, the police freely admit that none of them are suspected of being connected to al Queda, and were most likely motivated by money. One could argue, that since there were no actual terrorist contacts, and no actual SAM missile (the Russians shipped a fake), the entirety of the government's case against these guys boils down to a thought crime: ie., their INTENT to smuggle a missile, if they had ever been able to locate one without the police's help. Kind of like when someone gets busted for selling fake cocaine. It's still illegal, even though it's not actually cocaine.

THAT is why I call it a scam. Given that they had no sources for obtaining these SAMs without police help, this arrest didn't prevent terrorism anymore than a sweep of crooked pawn brokers would.

And THAT is why I'm a bit surprised that they are squeezing so many 'terror, terror, terror' stories out of this sting.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 10:13 AM
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6. I suspect that you may not understand the federal conspiracy statute(s)
Edited on Thu Aug-14-03 10:20 AM by NNN0LHI
http://www.henrymarkholzer.com/printable/print_articles_terrorists_nemesis.htm

<snip>Section 371 is the federal conspiracy statute. To prove the crime, the government need only show that at least two individuals agree to commit a federal crime, and that at least one of them performed an act in furtherance of that agreement, even if the act itself was not illegal. Thus, if Omar and Abdul decide to hold up a federally insured bank (an agreement to commit a federal crime), and Omar immediately purchases an automobile (a legal act) for their getaway, the boys from Yemen have violated 18 USC 371.

Section 2339 (actually, there are two sections, 2339A and 2339B) makes it a federal felony to provide "material support" to terrorists (2339A) or terrorist organizations (2339B). "Material support or resources" is defined in Section 2339A(b) as "currency or other financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel, transportation, and other physical assets, except medicine or religious materials."

Together, these two federal statutes — even without individual statutes like Section 2339 — constitute America's silver bullet for any terrorist (citizen and non-citizen alike) subject to the jurisdiction of a United States court.

The Lindh case is a good example. Among other crimes — e.g., actually providing material support and resources to terrorist organizations — Taliban John was charged with conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorist organizations. Over a score of overt acts in furtherance of that conspiracy were alleged. Despite his defense camp's huffing and puffing about how Lindh was innocent and how they would secure his acquittal, in the cold light of the facts and the law they copped a plea, their client accepting a deal that will cost him nearly two decades in federal prison.

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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 10:22 AM
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7. I agree that they committed an illegal act
Edited on Thu Aug-14-03 10:27 AM by htuttle
I disagree that this case has any relevance in the effort to prevent more terrorist acts.

If they had their own sources for SAMs, I'd think differently.
If they had contacts with 'real' terrorists, as opposed to FBI undercover agents (who were set onto them by an informant on a drug case looking for a break), I'd think differently.

The way I see it, this case is analogous to the police arresting someone with no criminal record for buying fake cocaine from an undercover cop. YES, it's illegal. NO, it doesn't do anything to prevent cocaine trafficking.

I don't have a problem with the arrest. I have a problem with the hype.

(on edit: speling and grammar fix)
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 09:52 AM
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4. Mr. Abraham was one of the Afghans
http://msnbc.com/news/951575.asp?0sl=-21&cp1=1

<snip>The third man, Yehuda Abraham, 75, a New York jeweler from Afghanistan, was charged with money laundering in a separate hearing in Manhattan and was held on $10 million bond. He was to be transferred to New Jersey.

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