Bush rejects razing dams to make way for salmon

Maybe 150 pro-Bush* nut-jobs!

I was there at the Hunt's Point demonstration. I'd guess there were between 200 and 400 people, 500 tops. Some were Bush supporters, although they were in the minority, maybe 1 in 20 people.

Smirk said that he personally saved the salmon himself?
Which is it Smirky? Energy or Salmon
Something is fishy in the northwest

without a motor

That was a real news story a few days ago! The man must think we're fucking morons to try to pull this shit over and over and over again.

Dams serve a useful function providing clean energy. I can believe we worry more about the salmon than that.

No one's talking about tearing down the Hoover dam or any other massive ones like that. Many dams that environmentalists are advocating tearing down are small ones, old, outdated and producing limited amounts of electricity. Many of these very kinds of dams have been torn down in the East over the past decade because they aren't worth the upkeep. Removal of the dams can increase the value of the area to fishermen and other sportsmen as well, increasing cash flow into the local communities.

The point is dams still produce cleaner electricity. And I'd prefer that over salmon any day. If we have to rebuild these dams to make them produce more, let's do it. But knocking them down to improve salmon fishing is silly.

And, btw, I HAVE seen several statements advocating the destruction of ALL dams including Hoover so we can help Mother Nature.

and wasn't in the works to happen. Another Bush tactic creating fear where it doesn't exist. Bush concentrated on fish & forests. There are other industries in the state besides fish & forests. Most of the fish we consume comes from the Copper River in Alaska and the lumber industry is near defunct. I'm surprised he didn't concentrate on Indian affairs, you know, the drums-wampum- powwows and all.

I bet that SOB ate wild salmon at Hunts Point? Where in the hell does he think it came from? Certainly not from a Washington river.

I just finished writing a research paper dealing with some Bonneville Power Administration power issues. One of BPA's charter responsibilities was environmental protection.

BPA fell flat on its keister when it came to environmental protection. Several salmon species are on the endangered species list resulting from the number of dams built along the Columbia Basin system.

The problem with dams is not only a big barrier for fish to maneuver around, but it brings new threats of predation, alters water temperature (affecting salmon spawning).

I am not advocating removing all the dams either but BPA needs to find a way to restore these salmon streams. Otherwise we all might be snarfing down one of those farm salmon...Maybe the White House better buy the farm salmon because the wild ones are just about gone.

He seems to think this dam is okay, too.



Ooops! Wrong "dam"!

You would too.

You know friggin' well not all Israelis support the wall--there's Gush Shalom, the Israeli Peace Bloc, to name only one group opposed. Yet you consistently support the GOP or conservative angle on almost every issue. We've been through this before and I'm not going to wrangle with you about this question here.

No, I don't support the damn GOP. I am a lifelong Democrat (note the capital "D") and just don't like the idea of my party going off the deep end to the left.

Yes, not ALL Israelis support the wall, but most do. And all the ones I know do.

That which you view as the conservative angle is often called the moderate angle in more normal circles than yours.

But you neglect my liberal positions on many things because it is convenient to you to try and marginalize me. You fail.

...you are incapable of judging whether they are "normal" or not. But as a fellow lifelong Democrat (similar capital "D"), I would wager they are no less "normal" than your own.

While I certainly have not read all your posts, and do not know where you stand on all issues, I have not intentionally neglected any of your "liberal positions." Nor am I trying to "marginalize" you--I don't have that power, nor do I seek it. So please don't pretend to be the victim in this exchange; you initiated the dialogue with me.

I regret if you were offended by my post. Obviously we should simply agree that we disagree on a number of subjects. It might also be nice if we could agree that both of us can call the Democratic party "ours"--I'll gladly take the leftist "deep end" and leave you everything else. Deal?