Dean takes (21pt) lead in latest N. H. poll - (omg)

Dean takes lead in latest N. H. poll

Democrat gains double-digit lead over Kerry
Democratic presidential hopeful Howard Dean campaigning recently in Iowa.

WASHINGTON, Aug. 27 — Howard Dean has grabbed a commanding 21-point lead over rival John Kerry in the latest New Hampshire poll in which voters said they prefer a take-no-prisoners Democrat to one who could oust President Bush. The likely Democratic primary voters are realists who acknowledge that Bush is a formidable foe: Almost two-thirds — 64 percent — said they think the president likely will win re-election in 2004.

DEAN, WHO TRAILED KERRY in polls earlier this year, led the Massachusetts senator 38 percent to 17 percent in the Zogby International poll conducted Aug. 23-26 and released Wednesday.

When asked whether it was more important to have a candidate willing to stand up for what they believe or a candidate who can win in November 2004, voters said they preferred the former by a 2-to-1 margin.

In his campaign against his top Democratic rivals, Dean has argued that they represent “Bush-lite,” and he has assailed those lawmakers who have compromised with the president, particularly those who backed the congressional resolution authorizing the use of military force in Iraq.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/958142.asp?0na=x23048W3-
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wooo hooo

Kerry does not seem to want it as badly as Dean.

He appears to be saying: "Look, I'm an elder statesman with all the right credentials and if you guys need me for president, let me know. Otherwise, I'll be doing Lots of Important Things in the meantime".

"When asked whether it was more important to have a candidate willing to stand up for what they believe or a candidate who can win in November 2004, voters said they preferred the former by a 2-to-1 margin".

Not exactly the finest thing I've ever read about Dr. Dean. Of course, it IS MSRNC.

that what people say they want, and what they REALLY want, are most often not the same. It's not that they are lying - it's just that they have been conditioned from childhood to say the "right" thing and not the truth.

Dean is doing great and should not change his campaign; when you're on a winning horse, you don't get off and change horses.

He stands up for what he believes and he can BEAT BUSH besides!

The question, as framed, seems to play into that Lieberman/GOP spin that a Democrat running on principles cannot win a general election. Sounds defeatist to me. Dean is speaking, loudly and clearly, to the concerns of many, many voters.

Howard Dean has grabbed a commanding 21-point lead over rival John Kerry in the latest New Hampshire poll in which voters said they prefer a take-no-prisoners Democrat to one who could oust President Bush. The likely Democratic primary voters are realists who acknowledge that Bush is a formidable foe: Almost two-thirds — 64 percent — said they think the president likely will win re-election in 2004.

I think 2004 is the year to prove that the big corporations (with their 200+ million dollar donations to Bush and their control over the major media) don't own Americans yet. And we won't be giving up America to them without a fight!

We have GOT to take this country back from absolute oligarchy by corporations.

which voters said they prefer a take-no-prisoners Democrat.

There's your context.

The inference is that Dean cannot win, and I have seen nothing that leads me to that conclusion. Yet.

Man, these guys who write this must get paid by the word, by Chimpy, for that kind of wordsmithing.

The rest will follow. I predict that Bush will lose by a landslide.

The only candidate that CAN oust bu$h is one that is a take-no-prisioners Democrat... Bu$h is a take-no-prisioners Republican.

ousting bush, isn't it?

you mean the one that showed Dean with 3x the support of Clark?

non-candidate Clark and Gephardt and Lieberman lead in that order.

I live in Goldwater's home state, and am afraid I understand what Dean's support is about all too well. Sometimes people would rather express their anger than actually do something about it. Enter Governor Dean, and those people have their vehicle.

The article's a pretty clear message from the oligarchy: you're either with us or against us.

The irony here is that as Dean is taking increasingly right wing positions, he's showing his masters that he's indeed with 'em. Oh, he's for resuming trade with Cuba, just not yet... Oh, he's critical of the Iraq war, but the US will just have to stay there and create a "democracy"... Oh, we need fiscal responsibility, but we can't touch the military budget...

Painting this corporate chimp as a lefty is the supreme comedy of the American political moment.

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=237859

Yee, haw!!! :bounce:

First of all, let's set aside the spin stinking up this story. I would answer that it's more important to have a candidate stand up for what he/she believes in than to have a candidate who can simply win, and I want to beat Bush as badly as anyone. The former is about honesty and integrity. Democrats are Americans first and foremost and do not generally believe in win-at-all-costs. (See Texas redistricting, California recall, for the GOP's ideas here.) There are certain boundaries. Both are important, but honesty and integrity are more important.

That said, holy cow! What the heck is going on with the Kerry campaign in New Hampshire? Is that a must-win state for Kerry? I thought he had all kinds of organization there.

From this thread here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=237692#238667

Woo, Hoo!!!

BTW Pigboy (Limbaugh) was saying the other day that the crowds for Dean were pathetic 'only' 900 to see Dean at 9 AM on a Monday morning in Spokane (I think).

He thinks tens of thousands should turn out for the leading Dem every time he makes an appearance. Two things I have to say: 1) the election is 14 months away for crissakes 2) when was the last time tens of thousands turned up to see * ?

This is a Marathon and were only in the first couple of miles.

Dean '04

If Dean continues to soar he will sweep to the nomination and the other candidates will fall in behind him hoping for the veep slot. Should that happen, the Pubs will kick themselves for setting their nomination so late. Dean will have so much momentum going into September that Bush may be playing catchup all fall. The other sleeper factor here is that Dean appears to be energizing the 18-25 year old crowd - a group that has traditionally not voted in large numbers. These will be hard-core supporters, once won over to Dean they are not going to switch to Bush even if the economy does pick up. Rove claims he would be delighted to have Dean as the Demo nominee but I doubt that he had any idea Dean could raise money the way he has and also bring in the young voters.

who stands up for blah, blah, whatever, than win, you have already READ the handwriting on the wall. Damn it. I don't need some exercise in vanity. I need Bush replaced. This isn't a fun, high school popularity contest. We have this nation and we have people's lives at stake. This is as stupid as the Nader bullshit. But, I guess it's great for those who want to cry and drink for four more years and blame repukes instead of taking a chance on governing. This isn't just a "oh, well, just politics and maybe the other party governs for awhile". If you ARE NOT real interested in really ousting these Nazis then you are no better than those who stay home on election day.

said the same thing. They "knew" he wasn't going to win, but they were going to vote for him because they liked the way he stood up for them against the Republicans. I think we are seeing something that rarely happens in politics - a genuine populist candidate with national appeal. Most populists in the past have had regional appeal but not national. I can't explain it and it may yet fizzle. But the pace at which Dean is raising money from small contributors suggests otherwise. Large campaign donars give because they want something. Small contributions come from people who believe in the candidate.

"voters said they prefer a take-no-prisoners Democrat to one who could oust President Bush."

Bullshit. I think ONLY a Take-No-Prisoners type can beat Bush. This writer is trying to plant the idea that only a Bush-lite can beat Bush, which is a preposterous notion on the face of it. The Dems had better have learned in 2002 that they need to stand for something if they expect anybody to vote for them.

We need a candidate who si not afraid tostand up and deliver puinches, as well as receive them. Not afraid to be a TRUE liberal....

To paraphrase the words of Michael Douglas in the movie, "The American President" (cause I can't remember the exact quote), "Hell, yes, I'm a card-carrying member of the ACLU. The question is, why aren't you, Bob?"

We have let the right dictate the terms of the battle for too long, allowed them to denigrate the truly compassionate concept behind liberalism.

I am hoping for a Dean/Clark ticket - I think it will be take-no-prisoners, energizing, and very, very capable of beating bush.

My reading of Dean's platform, and my attention to Clark's very public admonishments of the Bush administration give me hope that the democratic party can FINALLY regain it's spine.

dean, the sorry ass second rate candidate... pro-corporation, anti-labor, faux-universal healthcare, flipping on "anti-war" sentiment, against social security (bumping the age up) .... dean, just another republicrate...

if you really want to take back the democrat party there is only one place to mark the ballot, the candidate for the people... embrace the country you always were told you have...

Peace!

Dean may be popular but I don't agree with him and his political views. He's not my candidate. He does not represent me.....please willy T tell me how he represents you???? I am personally alittle taken a back by Dean's popularity with the left.....he doesn't seem very left to me.. I feel hesitant to say anything. I am not trying to create a dean bashing. But I am rather astounded by his popularity. I have read his site and well I wasn't impressed. What else can I say.

See what the smallest state in the union has to say about Dean.

are impossible to do or the ones that are way down the line of priorities. Such as yesterday he was being trashed here at du for not advocating the end of the cuban embargo. Getting rid of bush, and iraq, and getting the economy turned around and getting the health care resolved are more important and if we cannot do for our own country, how can we reorder the rest of the world. Cuba and a few other things we can discuss later, that is democracy.

i do not care for the bullshit, i've been worked over enough by my public servants who have taken great liberty with my country, my money and my good name....

i will not support any second rate sorry ass candidate who makes me look or feel good... while i and my fellow countrymen are getting bamboozled... dean is not for me, dean is not for you... dean is not for the men and women who pull 40 hrs. plus a week, away from their families, away from their homes and in a constant emotional state of
how all the bills are going to be paid next month.... and wether or not they will still be employed....

when all the fan fare is over, i do not care how good "I" feel! i care about the collective of my people and need to know that we are taking care of ourselves by right of the voting public... all of us who make up the people, we the people, the people of whom this government is by, for and of.... dean will not give any of us that, but he'll win me friends with you and then we can influence people in a third world nation to manufacture my socks for three cents an hour...

vote for the government you were always told you have....

Whether you support Kucinich, who I actually agree with most of the time, or anybody else, you (or for sure, they) HAVE TO win friends and influence people. It's a GODDAMNED ELECTION right???

Hell, I don't like everything Dean has said, I don't like everything Kucinich, Kerry, Gephardt, etc... has said. But having watched and voted in many election years, I will say out loud a horrible truth:

So far, Dean is the confluence of somebody who could actually beat Bush, and that I agree with in enough instances that I can live with that vote. Plus, and it's just a gut feeling here (way before Dean got 'popular'), that this IS the dude.

Hell, I remember the same sort of discussions\debates about RFK\Eugene McCarthy way back when. This isn't anything new. And I just get pissed off at anyone whose only way of expressing their support of their candidate, is to challenge the veracity of my support of mine once it is known.

Calling people fools for what they believe to be the correct decision has never garnered the desired effect. I doubt your candidate would be pleased at your method of support for him\her.

If I had stated that your choice for the party's nominee was a lying fool, would your reaction be to change your mind and come over to my side immediately???

Doubt it. Try a little tenderness, ya know. Convince me, through positive well thought out means, that your candidate DESERVES my support, and I'd give 'em another look. But bashing mine first, with no other supporting evidence than you don't like his populartity, is pretty funny.

"Damned Dean, he might just win this thing!!!"

And at this point I'm pretty much ABBOL.

Peace!

:shrug:

is really helpful when trying to win elections. Insulting people (voters) and bashing other Dems is very un-helpful when trying to do so.

So tell me, are you trying to be productive here? I does not seem like it.

Julie

As I said in another post, this thing has miles to go. Anything can happen in the upcoming months. I would hate to think that some are sowing the seeds of stubborn intransigence. As in, Dean falters, but because of past insults, I will not support the decided upon nominee. Nyah, nyah, on you, LOL.

I know politics ain't beanbag, but sometimes I look at certain posts, and wonder if I accidentally went to the wrong political site, if ya know what I mean...

:hi:

When has Dean ever been pro-corporation; anti-labor; had a fake universal healthcare plan; flipped on his anti-war bliefs; and was ever against soicial security?

Show me articles that prove you're right.

Oh and I could also look at Kucinich's votin' record as signs he too is a republicrate.