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NNN0LHI

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Fri Aug-29-03 04:10 PM
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Russia drafts new U.N. resolution on Iraq - Putin

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L2944467.htm

PORTO ROTONDO, Italy, Aug 29 (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Friday Moscow had prepared a draft new U.N. resolution on post-war Iraq aimed at reinforcing international efforts to rebuild the war-torn country.

Russia has backed a French call for a new resolution, saying it would help form a new political leadership there and hold democratic elections, but questions remain over whether Washington would be willing to share control over post-war Iraq.

"We have prepared a rough version of a draft U.N. resolution," Putin told Russian reporters after talks with Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi. snip

Germany, Russia and France all opposed the U.S.-led war that ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. The three countries favour a larger role for the United Nations in Iraq.

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Fri Aug-29-03 04:59 PM
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1. This is news

I wouldnt be surprised if it got vetoed by us. but if france and other members of the p-5 are behind it, it should get tabled.

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Jacobin

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Fri Aug-29-03 05:02 PM
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2. Any infidel stupid enough to stick his nose in IraqNam will get it blown

OFF.

This won't work. Its a major league clusterfuck, and the Iraqi's (after a bloody civil war) will have to sort it out themselves, unless of course it spills over into a regional M.E. war, which is why we put Saddam in there 35 years ago...tO STOP what Smirk just started.

A geo-political mess of enormouse proportions.

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MaineDem

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Fri Aug-29-03 05:09 PM
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3. Putin is slapping George's hand

"The United Nations did not support the war in Iraq and is not responsible for its consequences, but it wants to help the Iraqi people," Putin said.

Why isn't this administration being ripped apart over this??? That damned liberal media again.

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David__77

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Fri Aug-29-03 05:09 PM
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4. No US occupation, no UN occupation - Iraq for Iraqis.

I think the Iraqi people are perfectly capable of exercising national sovereignty. Many nations experience the horrors of the aftermath of war and don't need foreign occupiers to "keep order." Iraq is not a different case. Our country should, however, pay 100% of the cost of rebuilding Iraq.

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Eloriel

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Fri Aug-29-03 06:58 PM
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7. Sure, David

if you're willing to allow them to (1) go thru a probably brutal civil war, (2) possibly get Saddam back in power again (IS he dead? We never know about these things, do we?), and (3) probably get the Ialamic fundamentalist regime that Saddam was so thoroughly effective in keeping quashed BECAUSE there are way more of them.

I'm not in favor of our troops being there, but I also believe strongy that we can just walk away. We OWE them at least rebuilding what we destroyed. Of course, my hopes and expectations for some semblance of safety, let alone normalcy, at our hands is fading fast. The long and short of it is: there ARE no easy answers re Iraq. Even getting real multinational cooperation isn't going to be a panacea.

Eloriel

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Kolesar

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Fri Aug-29-03 07:06 PM
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8. Maybe they can borrow an Ayatollah from Iran for a few decades

Start up a theist police state, complete with floggings and beheadings. Sure, they will be ok.

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Mackay

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Fri Aug-29-03 10:14 PM
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10. You forgot #4...

Or, #4, the U.S. or UN could set up some government and 1,2 or 3 will happen anyway...

I agree with David...

BTW--And wasn't the Ayatollah a reactionary government to the Shaw (the government the US so helpfully installed)

These people want to make their own decisions, for better or for worse... who are you to decide that we can do it for them. I can't imagine that Americans even in time of a civil war would prefer some foreign power deciding how they should be governed.

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Sat Aug-30-03 12:01 AM
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11. No panacea

True enough. But a multi-national peace-keeping force might buy enough time for a new government to organize and prevent outbreak of a civil war.

As stated in an earlier post, the big question is how much control bush* will give up. Maybe with the occupation causing a major dent in his reselection effort, he will be willing to give up more.

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Merlin

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Sat Aug-30-03 12:09 AM
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12. Bingo. You are absolutely right.

Good analysis.

The neocons will never permit UN participation because it means their oil buddies will have to share control (e.g. profits) of the Iraqi oil bidness.

But UN participation is the only solution that (a) gets most GIs home, and (b) minimizes the resentment the Iraqis feel against their occupiers. Bush will never let it happen. I hope and pray he will choke on that decision in November '04.

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Fri Aug-29-03 05:20 PM
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5. I don't know what the answer is

.......and junior doesn't either. We should completely pull out and let the Iraqi fix their country IMO.

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amberdisc

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Fri Aug-29-03 06:47 PM
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6. and Chína who is quietly forgottten nt

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teryang

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Fri Aug-29-03 09:01 PM
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9. The idea that we can "fix" Iraq

Edited on Fri Aug-29-03 09:06 PM by teryang

...is absurd. We should get out now. Sunk costs are no costs. Once someone establishes control there, they can invite all the humanitarian aid, contractors, oil people, and assistance they want. It is our presence that is preventing a more timely restoration of order. People who think we who have spent the past twelve years destroying the country can or will fix it are merely suffering from a confusion between morality and reality. We are the bad guys. Americans or any foreignors for that matter could not stop civil war there any more than they could stop the wind. Our presence only prolongs the misery of change.

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dudeness

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Sat Aug-30-03 12:17 AM
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13. I find this too be a very cynical approach

by Putin and Chirac...however in terms of diplomacy , the US is starting to find out the pen is mightier than the sword..with the fall of saddam, oil contracts for russia and france became null and void..so far i do not believe either of those countries has lost a citizen in this conflict...political reputations remain in tact..for the US the quagmire grows and the situation detoriates..putin and chirac knew bush would turn back to the UN and he now has,however it will be under french and russian terms..good diplomacy in my book..

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Sat Aug-30-03 12:25 AM
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14. The ONLY way to fix things

Or to have any chance whatsoever to have a chance to one day make things better, is to have the UN take total control. They will bring in the appropriate objective and properly trained personnel who will know exactly what to do. Clinton pacified E. Europe, so it can be done...

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Sat Aug-30-03 01:07 AM
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15. The Chimpster will not go hat in hand to that "debating society".

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Sat Aug-30-03 06:58 AM
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16. btt

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