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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:46 PM
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U.S., Iraqis consider forming large militia-report (Plan-B)
Edited on Sat Aug-30-03 10:48 PM by NNN0LHI
Read between the lines here. I think we may be pulling out of Iraq much sooner than we had expected. Read it close. Looks like we are going to try to give the illusion that we are leaving the place to our specially picked and vetted militia. Yea, sure. These are going to be thugs with guns representing their own small area. Hopefully they will at least watch our back as we are pulling out. Then Junior will declare victory. Watch and see. Don

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N30208110.htm

NEW YORK, Aug 30 (Reuters) - U.S. and Iraqi officials said on Saturday they were discussing forming a large Iraqi paramilitary force to help stabilize security in Iraq, The New York Times reported in Sunday editions.

Speaking a day after a deadly car bombing in the holy city of Najaf that killed at least 95 people, the officials said such a force could consist of thousands of Iraqis already screened by Iraq's political parties for any affiliations with Saddam Hussein's government, the Times reported. snip

Mukhtar Shokhat, a prominent exile who the newspaper said took part in discussions on Saturday, said that "the situation has changed, and there is a new receptiveness to the idea." snip

"The knife is at our neck," Said Nael Musawi, a Shiite religious leader, told U.S. soldiers who were guarding the gate of the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad. "I don't know how much longer I can control my people," he added.

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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:50 PM
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1. The last paragraph says
"But fears remained among U.S. officials that the various factions who would make up the militia groups would end up attacking one another, the Times reported. "

It sounds more like an afterthought, doesn't it? That is what is happening in Afghanistan, anyway.
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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:50 PM
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2. does the NYT publish it's Sunday edition on Saturday?
NEW YORK, Aug 30 (Reuters) - U.S. and Iraqi officials said on Saturday they were discussing forming a large Iraqi paramilitary force to help stabilize security in Iraq, The New York Times reported in Sunday editions.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:52 PM
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3. Both of the large Chicago papers print a Saturday edition...
Edited on Sat Aug-30-03 10:54 PM by NNN0LHI
...of the Sunday paper. They usually come out about mid-afternoon on Saturday. Not sure about the NYT.

Don

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pruner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:56 PM
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5. I'm sure the NYT does print some parts on Saturday…though doubtfully A01
but what I thought funny is that the Reuters article used the past tense (reported) as opposed to the future (will report) or present tense (is reporting).
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 11:03 PM
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7. The Chicago Tribune and the Sun Times print the whole thing on Saturday
They just add the new news to the Sunday edition. Usually very little difference between the two.

Don

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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 12:34 AM
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13. When I was a kid in NYC, we'd buy the Times on Saturday night
I remember walking down the block with my father to the newsstand at the corner of Broadway -- probably around 8 pm or so. There's be an updated edition of the main section the next morning, of course -- but in those days newspapers routinely published several editions, plus extras whenever there was late breaking news.

I doubt there are as many editions these days, but I'd be surprised if the Sunday Times wasn't still available the night before.
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 12:50 AM
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15. I start watching the NYT
around 9:30 pm, CST, every evening. They have articles attributed to the following day popping up periodically from about 9:30 to 12:30, CST.

The most notable one's I see are op-ed. If you click on the op-ed link, it takes you to articles for the present day. You can often scroll down the homepage to find editorial listings for the following day.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:56 PM
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4. well, that would certainly conflict with the goal of . . . -
controlling Iraqi oil and establishing a permanent beachhead in the Middle East . . . do you really think they're ready to abandon that? . . .
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 11:07 PM
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8. I don't think it is because they want to leave
They just don't want a repeat of when just one wounded British soldier was the only one to make it out alive the last time the British invaded Iraq. And he would have never got out either if he had not been on one fast horse.

Don

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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:58 PM
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6. Let me see if I have this right....
First, we go into Iraq, bomb the crap out of them destroying the infrastructure and existing government.

Second, we stir the pot until they are on the brink of a civil war.

Third, we arm all differing sides.

Fourth, we step back and watch until they kill each other off.

Then we go back to step one and start again.

WTF is going on?

Where's Bin Laden?
Where's the WMD?
Where's Saddam?
What was it Dubya said was the reason for going to Iraq back in March?

WHY DOESN'T THE REST OF THE COUNTRY REMEMBER THE LIES?

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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 11:08 PM
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9. This article doesn't mention Chalabi
but other similar articles I've read lead me to think he's the one behind all the Iraqi militia talk. Chalabi was instrumental into getting us into this mess, maybe the Necons are thinking of bailing and passing the buck to him?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 11:10 PM
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10. Chalabi will be on the first plane out n/t
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 01:18 AM
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17. He'll be wresting with Bremer over the helicopter...
...on the roof of one of Saddam's former palaces:

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 11:45 AM
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22. Bremer has already qietly returned home to spend some time with the family
I got a feeling he is not going back? Just a guess though.

Don

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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 10:57 AM
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20. We should send him on the 1st bus to Jordan.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 11:21 PM
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11. ARVN Pressgang
Comin' up.

We give 'em the weapons, 40% go to enemy forces.

Can't wait for the Hammer and Anvil sweeps around Fallujah, where the Iraqi militia is supposed to play Anvil. Ooops. They all took a break and let 'em slip by.

To quote Michael Herr,

"Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam. We've all been there."
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 01:14 AM
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16. There it is.
Complete with bars of gold, just passing through.
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frustrated_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 12:11 AM
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12. The administration has few options at this point.
They can hand over leadership to the UN and get international forces. That would be the wisest course, the one which would cost the least in human life, and so is naturally the one course this administration will never pursue.

They could institute a draft, which would be political suicide, and even the chimp has enough functioning brain cells to recognize that.

Or, they can effectively re-create the Iraqi army/police and put them on the front lines. This has the benfit of reducing the appearance of American imperialism. Politically, it means when bombs go off, Iraqis are killing Iraqis (rather than Americans), which plays better on the news. More importantly, it frees American troops to turn to other duties, like, I dunno, pre-emptively striking Iran or N.Korea. Possibly sending troops to Israel where they will inevitably fall victim to bombs attributed to Palestinians, thereby providing a publically acceptable rational for participating in an ugly war.

I'm not defending their actions, but the monsters in charge are pursuing a sound strategy for achieving their ambitions.

We all need to be placing pressure on our state representatives to address the failures and lies which led us into Iraq in the first place and then drive the nail into the coffin by making them address the lies which have grown since we invaded the nation.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 10:53 AM
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19. Well said.
I think you've got it.
The comparison with our "handling" of Afghanistan is apt, too.
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LeftistGorilla Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 12:37 AM
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14. Remember when America left Afghanistan the first time?
Taliban anyone?
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 01:50 AM
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18. Why not just leave it to the War Lords?
Works in the 'Stans; works here.

Now then, bring on them fundraisers; watch my drive, just watch me.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 11:16 AM
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21. Evidence of total failure.....or success if Chaos has been ultimate goal.
How ugly will this get?

:puke:
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