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Thom Little Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:14 PM
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Democrats should get out of the way and let the president sink on his own
The holidays are coming, people are not broke and they are feeling pretty good about themselves, and that for the moment may have arrested George W. Bush’s downward spiral in the polls. It’ll be interesting to see how Democrats react to that piece of good news for the White House.

In fact, the Democrats have one, simple job for the next 11 months: to not do anything stupid to get in the way of the GOP’s overall campaign of self-immolation. And to that end, the evidence suggests that, at least for a little while, they shouldn't say anything at all. For one thing, there is a credible argument to be made that no one is listening anyway. And there is an even larger fear that they will say the wrong thing.

The recent attempts by President Bush to rescue his Iraq policy offer yet another example of why the biggest thing Democrats have in their favor is aWhite House that has lost its swagger. Their biggest problem may be a Democratic Party that can’t seem to find its own mojo.

On Wednesday, House Democrats met to puzzle over the problem. And on Thursday Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said she is not necessarily interested in forging or enforcing some kind of party position on Iraq in the same way she was on other issues, like prescription drugs. “There is no leadership conversation about pushing members to go one way or the other,” Pelosi said. “We don’t have a party position on matters of war.”



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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:18 PM
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1. Wrong wrong wrong
We have finally gotten a few of our leaders to stand up and speak out against the insanity. If they go back to keeping mute, they aren't "keeping their powder dry," they are collaborating with America's most dangerous enemy: the GOP Fascist Regime.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:21 PM
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2. Yes and no
Democrats need to tell him he's doing exactly the wrong thing. Democrats are in no position to offer much besides verbal opposition, but they do need to offer that, or risk being lumped in with the GOP in pursuing it.

Yes, they're destroying themselves, right on schedule. Their attempts to blame liberals, Democrats, women, peace marchers, and everybody else for their failures are starting to ring hollow to most people, considering all the people they've tried to blame have been locked out of power for decades, not just 5 years.

Yes, all their policies have been failures, just like we on the left said they'd be failures. We did need to be on the record as calling them failures and predicting how and why they'd fail. That's how people know we're not the same as the people who made those failing policies.

Now is the time to be united in verbal opposition to this gang as they destroy everything they thought they wanted. Now is not the time to give them tacit approval.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:37 PM
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10. Consistent verbal opposition would be a great leap forward
"keeping your powder dry" makes SOME sense for what you will filibuster and fight tooth and nail, but it doesn't mean that you should keep your mouth shut the rest of the time, and imply acquiescence or complicity.

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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:24 PM
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3. well, that strategy has worked liked charm so far....
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:27 PM
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5. You beat me to the punch
It's the same candy-assed, don't-rock-the-boat stragedy that cost us the last three elections.

Moderation is a vice.
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Talismom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:31 PM
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6. I agree! How many people have to die, how many children and
elderly and sick people have to suffer while these thugs enrich and empower their corporate cronies? When do we make them answer to us? When do we act like citizens of a democracy?
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heidler1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:31 PM
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7. We have doubled the double talk about no time table versus some will leave
soon. Thus more lies. Thus the Republicans look more like twerps. They are no longer on the same page either.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:27 PM
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4. That worked before...
NOT!!!

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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 02:43 PM
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8. This country has heard nothing from Republicans
for years that does not resemble a fairy tale. Anyone who has read fairy tales knows they don't all turn out "happily ever after." The Little Match Girl froze to death and if I remember correctly, Rumplestiltskin came to a bad end. I wish the Dems would push that more--that what we her from Repubs. and especialy Shrub, is pure fiction. Anytime a Democrat responds to something Bushish the media always comes out with someone from the Repubs to say "The Democrats don't have a solution to the problem. Well, hells bells, it is the Repubs who have created the problem. The media will become the death of us.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 03:25 PM
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9. Since that seems to be their only strategy
e.g. let the Republicans have everything that they ask for- without so much as a single filibuster and almost invariably with 5 or 6 Democratic votes, we'd better hope it works this time.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 04:48 PM
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11. Democrats should continue to fire torpedoes into the Bush ship
Attacking Bush is not enough! Democrats will have to present an alternate vision to the people, a vision of hope that should stand in stark contrast to Bush's vision of despair and destruction.

I don't think we can afford to wait until the primaries in '08 to do this. We have to start now by supporting our local Democrats as they challenge the GOP assholes next year.
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 10:59 AM
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12. He's absolutely right.
Every time we open our mouth 13 other confusing items spew fourth.The Dem's have too many big egos and they all have a different plan.They sound like a bunch of unorganized goofs.Just zip it and let the re pugs eat their young.They are imploding just fine on their own.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-10-05 11:45 AM
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13. Amen to that....
Considering how badly the two "actions" have backfired....
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:19 PM
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14. As opposed to the great success the "zip it" strategy had
in 2000, 2002, and 2004.
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