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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:38 AM
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How many more like this?
Link: http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/2005/12/21/news/editorial/13455409.htm

This is chilling - an editorial which appeared in today's Akron Beacon Journal.

Excerpted lines from the author's ordeal:

After the 23 days, I was forced to record a video saying I had been treated well. Then I was handcuffed, blindfolded and taken to a building where I was severely beaten.

...

I learned later that I had been taken to Afghanistan.

There, I was beaten again and left in a small, dirty, cold concrete cell.

...

I was returned to the cell, where I would remain in solitary confinement for more than four months.

...

I pleaded with them to release me or bring me before a court, but the prison director replied that he could not release me without permission from Washington.
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:45 AM
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1. see this is the problem....


That 'person', the one being tortured is always, in the mind of someone who approves of torture, a full blown terrorist with the blood of children on his hands, planning the next big one with 15 people and different plans ready to go.

And we all know that law enforcement is not perfect and even in this country we grab the wrong person. I find that the people who support torture never consider that innocent people might be involved. They come back with a 'do you want another 9/11?'
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dmkinsey Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 09:55 AM
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2. Exactly
the apologists always say "We have to get vital information from the TERRORISTS we capture"
The reality is that our people mostly have no idea WHO they've snatched.
In Afghanistan US forces were paying bounty to warlords for prisoners and no idea who they were.
I mean, if yer gonna torture you should at least make sure you got the right guy:sarcasm:
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The White Tree Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 10:21 AM
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3. It's George Bush's "Fuzzy Math"
There is a saying about our legal system:

Better thousands of guilty men go free then one innocent man be persecuted.

This forments the idea that all men are innocent until proven guilty; a foundational principal of our legal system.

In Bush's "Fuzzy Math" they have reversed this equation to:

Better thousands of innocent men be persecuted, beaten and tortured, possibly killed then 1 guilty man get away to kill possibly thousands of innocent people.

Which can be reduced to:

Better we kill, maim and torture thousands of their innocents, then they kill, maim and torture thousands of ours.

And we wonder why we can't seem to win their hearts and minds.
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