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veracity Donating Member (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-21-05 04:40 PM
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The Imminent Danger to Americans! tvnl
Edited on Wed Dec-21-05 04:41 PM by veracity
It's not terrorists, folks.... not by a longshot.
Here's the real danger - in detail...

Intro to the article:


Every day we are told by members of the Bush administration and the lying criminals in the corporate media, that terror is the greatest threat posed to Americans. Well, that’s a load of bullshit! We don’t need a Patriot Act, we need to act like patriots and remove from office the criminals who scare us, lie to us, endanger us, ignore all REAL threats to our safety and freedom (like the Patriot Act and the US corporate media) and are destroying our great nation! - TvNewsLIES Editor.


http://tvnewslies.org/html/imminent_threat.html
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 01:00 AM
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1. Bush is Terrorist Number One. It's as simple as that.
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katejones Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 02:48 AM
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2. So do you think there is
a terrorist threat at all?

I guess I thought that with Sept 11 and all, that there existed at least some sort of threat to our health and well being from foreign fighters.

Or just that Pres Bush is a larger threat?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 10:02 AM
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3. I think Terrorists Are Overrated
I think natural disasters and government-asssisted or fomented disasters (think hurricanes, global warming and New Orleans here) are the biggest immediate threat, followed by economic ones (think fraud, stolen elections, starving the beast, etc. here)
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 10:22 AM
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4. of course there are bad people in the world, but the solution
is not to gut our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

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katejones Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 02:43 PM
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5. What is the solution
then do you think? I think we ought to fight back and profile. I mistrust the government also so I would sincerely like to hear a solution that does not take away freedoms.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 05:01 PM
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6. profiling takes away freedom
I don't trust the government either, so I'm not for anything that gives them more unchecked power.

Here's the thing: attacks such as those on the WTC are generally handled as criminal matters. Criminal agencies (FBI, CIA, etc) would work with their counterparts to thwart these types of actions.

I don't think there needs to be a solution, other than continued dilligence. The truth of the matter is that there was ample warning of the WTC attacks, and BushCo off minding other things when it happened. Had they heeded the reports placed in front of them when they were on their August vacation, perhaps it may not have happened.

I would be willing to wager, although there's no way to prove it, that if Gore had ended up in the WH (as the TRULY elected prez) then none of it would have happened. That may not be true, but it's worth betting on, IMO.

In the long run, though, things like the unPATRIOTic Act, TSA, TIA, CAPPS II and so on, really don't work for the benefit of the people, only against them.
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katejones Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 05:50 PM
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7. Hmmm
I don't know if Gore would have made much difference in 9/11 happening or not but our response sure would have been different!!!
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-23-05 06:50 PM
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8. I think having Gore as president would have made a lot of difference
He was already aware of the threat posed by al- Queda, and would have paid much more attention to the PDBs in August of 2001 instead of choosing to go on vacation for a month. Gore is intelligent, and hard-working. Bush is an arrogant, spoiled, lazy frat-boy, who didn't want to be bothered with pesky things like warnings about terrorists hijacking planes to use as weapons. His AG, Ashcroft, was too busy worrying about prostitution and covering statue's breasts to concern himself with terrorism.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 09:41 AM
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11. I think you're right.
I wish to God Gore had been sworn in, instead of what we got.

And this is coming from someone who (to my eternal discredit) voted for Bush in 2000.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 09:39 AM
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10. It is a mistake to characterize it as one single "threat"
There is always the possibility that innocent people will be killed by some criminal or criminal organization.

This is not a military problem. It is a crime problem. This problem cannot be addressed with armies.

Our Noble Administration tells us it is tracking down these criminals all over the world. Our Noble Administration is lying. It is not tracking down these criminals all over the world, because it is too busy using its expanded powers (which it got by scaring people like you into worrying every minute that they were going to get blown up) to fight its political enemies and to consolidate its dictatorial power over this country.

The abuse of these powers, and the frightening power that his True Believers give him, are what make Bush the biggest terror threat of all.

It is one thing to be "at war" with a specific enemy. But when Our Leader gets to choose and change the "enemy" at will, that means we are "at war" with whoever he says we're at war with, and he can constantly move the target. This way, it never ends and Our Leader gets to keep all sorts of powers he wouldn't otherwise have--indefinitely, because Our Leader is the only one who can actually tell when the "enemy" (whoever that may happen to be.. what day is today?) has been vanquished.

This may be the way you want to live, but it's not the way I want to live.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 02:12 AM
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9. And here is why the terrorist threat is so pumped up.
Edited on Sat Dec-24-05 02:12 AM by JohnyCanuck


The Making of the Enemy, Part One of Two
by
Manuel Valenzuela


The coming years, like those of the present and the past, will see the continued spewing of fictionalized propaganda designed to manipulate the fears, hatreds, xenophobia and nationalistic tendencies of the population. The level of control over the masses and power over the nation in the years after 9/11 by corporatists intent on hijacking the country became, to them, a rousing success, thanks to the intense levels of fear and hatred engendered by the horrific events of that day. In the span of a few infamous days the corporatists had unleashed massive psychological warfare upon us, its effects still lingering in the minds of millions. Suddenly, those in power had become the puppeteers of the citizenry, free to manage us as they saw fit, our fragile and damaged psychologies traumatized, our thinking, human minds replaced by our more primitive, mammalian instincts and behaviors. An entire nation had succumbed, thanks to television, to images and emotions no people had ever witnessed, repeated over and over and over again. The making of America’s new enemy had begun.

The manufacture, marketing and dissemination of bogeymen enemies, both real and fictional, for a long time endemic in American society, has always worked to perfection, becoming the inertia used to control the population. It becomes the energy needed to maintain America’s permanent wartime economy. The creation of unseen bogeymen into supernatural evildoers fits the perfect mold of how the American citizenry has been brainwashed over the years through the use of Hollywood movies and television, with the constant themes of good versus evil, of fantasy and sensationalism, and of course the always needed happy ending, where the good guy always triumphs over the villain.

The struggle against America’s enemy, conveniently chosen and designed to fit the policies and goals of those in power, is purposefully made out to be like a struggle in a typical Hollywood film of good and evil characters, where America is seen as the force of good confronting the evildoer afflicting the world, a hero that ultimately, in the end, will triumph, leading to the happy ending that in reality rarely, if ever, bears fruit. Yet to the reprogrammed mind of the average American, our conception of real life rewired, our brainwaves reconfigured through the incessant fictions and altered states of reality bombarded into our heads by movies and sitcoms, the battle of superhero and evildoer must continue, because America can do no wrong, it is the shining beacon on a hill, the savior of humankind, incapable of committing human evil, fighting forces intent on destroying the nation. Inevitably, in our warped mind good always triumphs over evil, the hero always gets the girl and normalcy eventually returns to life.

To say that televised fantasy bears no resemblance to real human outcomes is an understatement, yet in a fictional war that remains but a fleeting illusion in the minds of the population, becoming more intangible than visible, hardly affecting the daily lives of the majority, the deception works like magic thanks to the blitzkrieg of propaganda sent out through the airwaves. In a sense, the so-called war against America’s enemy becomes a Hollywood production, existing in the conscious of the people but never truly being felt, its puppeteers hiding its reality and its truth, the keepers at the gate filtering what needs to be seen and what does not. Our reality is what they make it to be, after all.

http://valenzuelasveritas.blogspot.com/2005/12/making-of-enemy-part-one-of-two.html
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 09:43 AM
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12. I hope katejones will read this excellent post.
It says what I was trying to say--except, it says it a million times better.
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ZapaPaine Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-24-05 01:28 PM
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13. And Part Two is perhaps better than Part One...

I found the entire essay, parts one and two, at dailykos (with video media)...

Link:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/12/24/104625/10

Print this puppy out and leave it inside your relatives' stockings. Now this is a Holiday gift!! Osama is as real as jolly ol' St. Nick.
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